White Supremacy discussion thread

[San Lumen]

Who the hell cares?! Being white doesn't make you special. You once said that someone non white getting elected in a majority white area would mean that someone like you couldn't win there anymore or something along those lines but you basically said it was a bad thing.

can we first agree that racism/white supremacy is bad?

Of course it's bad. Its not just bad its abhorrent.

[Nevertopia]

Still doesn't explain the "why"

The "why" is irrelevant. All you'll get out of him on that front is dogwhistling about IQ and crime, or vague appeals to "sken culler".

sources? citations? reasoning? Please, construct a proper argument, this is important.

[Saiwania]

Who the hell cares?! Being white doesn't make you special. You once said that someone non white getting elected in a majority white area would mean that someone like you couldn't win there anymore or something along those lines but you basically said it was a bad thing.

It doesn't make me special but it is nonetheless core to my identity. I can't countenance my own kind disappearing from the Earth in due process of time because of factors outside of my control. I'm sure people who feel loyalty to any one thing can empathize with that.

Perhaps at the time we discussed that, I didn't trust the non-White in your hypothetical to rule in the best interests of the majority if it is White in your hypothetical. That perhaps if whoever is in charge, isn't part of the majority where they live, that they'll have biases against the majority and will be like a trojan horse in terms of their policies.

It was in the context of Democratic vs Republican party votes if my vague memory on the exchange is correct. That places that turn blue might stay blue on the map because of mass immigration.

[Nevertopia]

Who the hell cares?! Being white doesn't make you special. You once said that someone non white getting elected in a majority white area would mean that someone like you couldn't win there anymore or something along those lines but you basically said it was a bad thing.

It doesn't make me special but it is nonetheless core to my identity. I can't countenance my own kind disappearing from the Earth in due process of time because of factors outside of my control. I'm sure people who feel loyalty to any one thing can empathize with that.

Perhaps at the time we discussed that, I didn't trust the non-White in your hypothetical to rule in the best interests of the majority if it is White in your hypothetical. That perhaps if whoever is in charge, isn't part of the majority where they live, that they'll have biases against the majority and will be like a trojan horse in terms of their policies.

It was in the context of Democratic vs Republican party votes if my vague memory on the exchange is correct. That places that turn blue might stay blue on the map because of mass immigration.

but is it true? You have a hypothetical but dont have a true example outside of circumstantial relationships among voting lines.

[Grenartia]

Lol, my "personal baggage". Dude's an unironic Nazi (seriously, he's actually praised Hitler), and you're pearl-clutching over me not treating it as an ideology worthy of respect. Nazism is to be mocked and destroyed, not debated as if it is legitimate.



You treat human demographics like dog breeds. And dog breeding is notoriously reliant on inbreeding.

What I care about is iron-manning instead of straw-manning your argument. If what you say is true, then make it as strong an argument as possible. When you use "inbreeding fetish" as an argument against racism, you open up a target for racists to weaken your position. You bring the rest of us down with you. Do better.

And I care about not legitimizing Nazism. It is a mind virus. It cannot be defeated through 'rational debate', any more than you can fix a computer virus by yelling at your monitor. Debating it legitimizes it, and legitimizing it allows it to spread.

[Sidoneia]

I maintain that the porn spammer was more useful and entertaining than any of these tired arguments about "white supremacy". There is no white race. Just some people who lived far from the equator for hundreds of generations got some pale skin to help with vitamin D synthesis. Other people whose ancestors lived near the equator got darker skin to protect from skin cancer.

Skin color is the least consequential trait that humans have. Only boring people care so much about skin color that they would actually change the way they treat people based on it.

[San Lumen]

Who the hell cares?! Being white doesn't make you special. You once said that someone non white getting elected in a majority white area would mean that someone like you couldn't win there anymore or something along those lines but you basically said it was a bad thing.

It doesn't make me special but it is nonetheless core to my identity. I can't countenance my own kind disappearing from the Earth in due process of time because of factors outside of my control. I'm sure people who feel loyalty to any one thing can empathize with that.

Perhaps at the time we discussed that, I didn't trust the non-White in your hypothetical to rule in the best interests of the majority if it is White in your hypothetical. That perhaps if whoever is in charge, isn't part of the majority where they live, that they'll have biases against the majority and will be like a trojan horse in terms of their policies.

It was in the context of Democratic vs Republican party votes if my vague memory on the exchange is correct. That places that turn blue might stay blue on the map because of mass immigration.

I could care less about my skin color and don't want to see anyone treated different as result of their being different.

why can't someone non white govern in the best interests of all of a place majority non white? The people elected them to office so obviously they believe they can do the job.

You are aware it takes five years to become a citizen and some people wait longer because of the backlog? even they did turn blue as a result of immigration again I say who cares? Perhaps reach out to those people instead of treating them like they are beneath you.

[Nevertopia]

What I care about is iron-manning instead of straw-manning your argument. If what you say is true, then make it as strong an argument as possible. When you use "inbreeding fetish" as an argument against racism, you open up a target for racists to weaken your position. You bring the rest of us down with you. Do better.

And I care about not legitimizing Nazism. It is a mind virus. It cannot be defeated through 'rational debate', any more than you can fix a computer virus by yelling at your monitor. Debating it legitimizes it, and legitimizing it allows it to spread.

THATS WHERE YOURE WRONG KIDDO!

[Orostan]

Who the hell cares?! Being white doesn't make you special. You once said that someone non white getting elected in a majority white area would mean that someone like you couldn't win there anymore or something along those lines but you basically said it was a bad thing.

It doesn't make me special but it is nonetheless core to my identity. I can't countenance my own kind disappearing from the Earth in due process of time because of factors outside of my control. I'm sure people who feel loyalty to any one thing can empathize with that.

Perhaps at the time we discussed that, I didn't trust the non-White in your hypothetical to rule in the best interests of the majority if it is White in your hypothetical. That perhaps if whoever is in charge, isn't part of the majority where they live, that they'll have biases against the majority and will be like a trojan horse in terms of their policies.

It was in the context of Democratic vs Republican party votes if my vague memory on the exchange is correct. That places that turn blue might stay blue on the map because of mass immigration.

If things that aren't real are the core of your identity than your identity is full of shit. There is no "your kind" because race is invented to suit whatever social circumstances it finds itself under.

[Saiwania]

You are aware it takes five years to become a citizen and some people wait longer because of the backlog? even they did turn blue as a result of immigration again I say who cares? Perhaps reach out to those people instead of treating them like they are beneath you.

You can't exactly reach out to a group of people if your political ideology is that they shouldn't be there and that you want them kept out or deterred from changing the country/locality their presence is effecting.

[Orostan]

And I care about not legitimizing Nazism. It is a mind virus. It cannot be defeated through 'rational debate', any more than you can fix a computer virus by yelling at your monitor. Debating it legitimizes it, and legitimizing it allows it to spread.

THATS WHERE YOURE WRONG KIDDO!

Nazis are an enemy to civilization. You do not debate away a nuclear bomb, you destroy it.

[San Lumen]

You are aware it takes five years to become a citizen and some people wait longer because of the backlog? even they did turn blue as a result of immigration again I say who cares? Perhaps reach out to those people instead of treating them like they are beneath you.

You can't exactly reach out to a group of people if your political ideology is that they shouldn't be there and that you want them kept out or deterred from changing the country/locality their presence is effecting.

Your sole answer seems to be because they don't look like you. Who cares if demographics changes?

Plus what of my question about leadership? why can't someone non white govern in the best interests of all in a place majority white? The people elected them to office so obviously they believe they can do the job.

[Nevertopia]

You are aware it takes five years to become a citizen and some people wait longer because of the backlog? even they did turn blue as a result of immigration again I say who cares? Perhaps reach out to those people instead of treating them like they are beneath you.

You can't exactly reach out to a group of people if your political ideology is that they shouldn't be there and that you want them kept out or deterred from changing the country/locality their presence is effecting.

Imagine that, people who are afraid of having non-whites not adopt their culture don't want non-whites to adopt their culture. So you create your own problem. Huh.

[Nevertopia]

THATS WHERE YOURE WRONG KIDDO!

Nazis are an enemy to civilization. You do not debate away a nuclear bomb, you destroy it.

Nazis are the enemy of civilization and free speech is the cure. Why do you think democracy is the anti-thesis of fascism?

[Grenartia]

I maintain that the porn spammer was more useful and entertaining than any of these tired arguments about "white supremacy". There is no white race. Just some people who lived far from the equator for hundreds of generations got some pale skin to help with vitamin D synthesis. Other people whose ancestors lived near the equator got darker skin to protect from skin cancer.

Skin color is the least consequential trait that humans have. Only boring people care so much about skin color that they would actually change the way they treat people based on it.

Based.

[Orostan]

Nazis are an enemy to civilization. You do not debate away a nuclear bomb, you destroy it.

Nazis are the enemy of civilization and free speech is the cure. Why do you think democracy is the anti-thesis of fascism?

"Democratic" countries aided Hitler and let him destroy Czechoslovakia when the supposedly undemocratic USSR was prepared to help them get rid of Hitler. It was 'democratic' countries that aided fascism every step of the way and only began opposing him when he threatened their economic interests.

Freedom of speech for nazis means freedom to advocate for un-freedom, freedom to be thugs for capital, and freedom to attack civilization. Freedom of speech did not stop the nazis and it was only the Communist KPD that offered serious opposition to Hitler.

[Nevertopia]

I maintain that the porn spammer was more useful and entertaining than any of these tired arguments about "white supremacy". There is no white race. Just some people who lived far from the equator for hundreds of generations got some pale skin to help with vitamin D synthesis. Other people whose ancestors lived near the equator got darker skin to protect from skin cancer.

Skin color is the least consequential trait that humans have. Only boring people care so much about skin color that they would actually change the way they treat people based on it.

Based.

see? THIS is why you debate against racism, fascism and all the ignorances, it EXPOSES them for what they are and are destroyed by their own stupidity. This is how you dismantle idiotic ideologies like White supremacy. With Free Speech.

[Grenartia]

Nazis are an enemy to civilization. You do not debate away a nuclear bomb, you destroy it.

Nazis are the enemy of civilization and free speech is the cure

You said, as if I''m opposed to free speech.

Why do you think democracy is the anti-thesis of fascism?

Just as often, democracy is the enabler of fascism. I'll remind you that Hitler came into power not through revolution, but the ballot.

[Nevertopia]

Nazis are the enemy of civilization and free speech is the cure. Why do you think democracy is the anti-thesis of fascism?

"Democratic" countries aided Hitler and let him destroy Czechoslovakia when the supposedly undemocratic USSR was prepared to help them get rid of Hitler. It was 'democratic' countries that aided fascism every step of the way and only began opposing him when he threatened their economic interests.

Freedom of speech for nazis means freedom to advocate for un-freedom, freedom to be thugs for capital, and freedom to attack civilization. Freedom of speech did not stop the nazis and it was only the Communist KPD that offered serious opposition to Hitler.

Prove it.

[Grenartia]

Based.

see? THIS is why you debate against racism, fascism and all the ignorances, it EXPOSES them for what they are and are destroyed by their own stupidity. This is how you dismantle idiotic ideologies like White supremacy. With Free Speech.

I remember when I used to think like you. Then I saw how fascism truly spreads and operates, how utterly ineffective your tactic is.

[Orostan]

"Democratic" countries aided Hitler and let him destroy Czechoslovakia when the supposedly undemocratic USSR was prepared to help them get rid of Hitler. It was 'democratic' countries that aided fascism every step of the way and only began opposing him when he threatened their economic interests.

Freedom of speech for nazis means freedom to advocate for un-freedom, freedom to be thugs for capital, and freedom to attack civilization. Freedom of speech did not stop the nazis and it was only the Communist KPD that offered serious opposition to Hitler.

Prove it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_F ... _War_II%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

[Nevertopia]

Nazis are the enemy of civilization and free speech is the cure

You said, as if I''m opposed to free speech.

Why do you think democracy is the anti-thesis of fascism?

Just as often, democracy is the enabler of fascism. I'll remind you that Hitler came into power not through revolution, but the ballot.

Imagine if the allies at the time were also fascists. You point of democracy's failure but not how its succeeded in spite of Nazi Germany coming into power in the rest of the world.

[East Blepia]

see? THIS is why you debate against racism, fascism and all the ignorances, it EXPOSES them for what they are and are destroyed by their own stupidity. This is how you dismantle idiotic ideologies like White supremacy. With Free Speech.

I remember when I used to think like you. Then I saw how fascism truly spreads and operates, how utterly ineffective your tactic is.

Are you saying that because we cannot be 'destroyed by our own stupidity', as you say, that we must be censored?

[Saiwania]

Skin color is the least consequential trait that humans have. Only boring people care so much about skin color that they would actually change the way they treat people based on it.

Skin color is arguably the most consequential trait humans have, in that it determines what an individual or larger grouping looks like. As for discrimination, everyone arguably does so to varying extents. It comes down to a simple matter of biases that different people have for any number of reasons.

[Nevertopia]

Prove it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_F ... _War_II%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

Yet in all its failings, Id rather live in a democratic nation than a fascist one.