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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:49 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:She said misandrist, man, get it right :p


It's genuinely hard to take her views seriously when all of them are comprised solely of horse manure.

I know. I've been laughing while reading her comments due to the sheer stupidity (pardon) they emit

Stellar Colonies wrote:Porn and misandry aren't very relevant to white supremacy, as much as it is interesting to argue about the former and hate on the slimy nastiness of the latter.

Upvoted.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:49 pm

Fahran wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Aren't most Mormons of British Isles heritage? They never were non white in America.

When I become the CEO of Racism, I'll make Mormons and the Irish non-white and African-Americans and Latinos white.

...
and that's yet another idea to look into, the modern shifting of some latinos into a "white" identity

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Grenartia wrote:So you support people freely choosing to share lewd pictures/videos/illustrations with other consenting adults? Based.

It's not an economic transaction at that point. Really, the US government could probably employ the commerce clause to snuff out pornography if it wanted to do so.

nah
porn is (partially, it's complicated) protected under the First Amendment
online stuff is a bit of a gray area, though, since SCOTUS hasn't issued a qualifying ruling on how Miller interacts with the internet

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Suriyanakhon
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:49 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:She said misandrist, man, get it right :p


It's genuinely hard to take her views seriously when all of them are comprised solely of horse manure.


This is like the highest compliment you could give someone from Fahran's perspective.
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Scothia
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Postby Scothia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:50 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Amateur pornography could easily be banned on the grounds that it is impossible to regulate it.


How about we not create victimless crimes, okay?

The fact that it is impossible to know how much of it is victimless is plenty grounds to ban it utterly. Especially when porn sites seem to be adamant in doing nothing until threatened with financial losses.

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Greater Miami Shores
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:50 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Porn and misandry aren't very relevant to white supremacy, as much as it is interesting to argue about the former and hate on the slimy nastiness of the latter.


Porn will be very relevant to white supremacy when Operation Leftnostate goes into effect.

I don't care to comment on the Porn statement. But operation Leftnostate? :) If from the White Supremacy side, it would be called Operation Rightist State. lol. Both sound like an excellent name for an NS RP nation state.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:51 pm

Ok While I have taken part in this thread I really suggest you guys get back on topic.
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Punished UMN
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:51 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Amateur pornography could easily be banned on the grounds that it is impossible to regulate it.


How about we not create victimless crimes, okay?

The issue is that without strong regulation, you cannot establish that it is victimless, and since regulation to ensure it would result in economic expenses, it would then be more difficult to have amateur pornography as a model. Every other industry has to have regulations to ensure those who produce it have rights, and porn shouldn't be an exception.
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Trollzyn the Infinite
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:51 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:Porn and misandry aren't very relevant to white supremacy, as much as it is interesting to argue about the former and hate on the slimy nastiness of the latter.


I'm genuinely trying to stay on topic but fuck man I can't pull away send help please.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:51 pm

Grenartia wrote:See above. And I counter the commerce clause claim with the First Amendment's protection of freedom of expression.

Connotations matter a bit here. Most "anti-porn" activists aren't complaining about couples consensually swapping nude photos. They're complaining about a sex industry that is often underregulated, adjacent to the black market, superbly unethical, and perpetuating of racist and sexist stereotypes.

I'm not certain you can reliably use freedom of expression to defend what amounts to an economic activity that would be subject to the commerce clause.

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The Reformed American Republic
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:51 pm

This is the white supremacy thread, not the porn thread.
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Western Fardelshufflestein
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:52 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Porn and misandry aren't very relevant to white supremacy, as much as it is interesting to argue about the former and hate on the slimy nastiness of the latter.


I'm genuinely trying to stay on topic but fuck man I can't pull away send help please.

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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:52 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Porn and misandry aren't very relevant to white supremacy, as much as it is interesting to argue about the former and hate on the slimy nastiness of the latter.


I'm genuinely trying to stay on topic but fuck man I can't pull away send help please.

Why don't you create a thread on whenever porn should be banned or not then?
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:52 pm

I remember one time seeing this argument saying that people with racial preferences, or even white people in interracial relationships in general, are racist.

Basically, the idea is that interracial relationships aren't based on how well you work with someone, they're based on racial fetishization. Like how a white woman with a black man isn't into him, she's just fetishizing his [Word the mods have banned for some reason]. White men dating black women is racist because they're not actually into them, they're instead re-enacting the abuse black women experienced under white slave masters. And finally, the piece de resistance, the white man and Asian woman, which is seen as the ultimate form of fetishization, a white man colonizing and erasing centuries of cultural history for his own sick colonizer pleasure, putting down the Asian man and propping himself up top the hierarchy.

I don't think I need to explain the issues here, but fuck it, imma do it anyway. This logic only works if you apply it to a very, very specific subset of people. Those people being: White racist Americans in interracial relationships.

Let's see, not everywhere where black and white people live have histories of racial segregation or fetishization, a lot of black women don't tend to be big fans of how conservative African American culture can be (And it also ignores the fact that black women have their own agency), and White/Asian (Or interracial relationships in general) relationships aren't seen as a good thing amongst most Asian cultures (Lotta parents in China for example, really don't want their kids to have babies that are from 2 different Chinese ethnicities (Han/Zhuang or Machu for example), are barely accepting of grandchildren of mixed Asian descent (Chinese and Japanese or Vietnamese or etc...), and some would damn near resort to violence if their daughter ended up with a white or black guy).

As usual, they turn what could be an interesting topic on race and ethnicity into an Americentric battleground between black and white people.
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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:52 pm

Yeah then how about some red text to get back on topic?
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:52 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:This is the white supremacy thread, not the porn thread.

I mean... given the original argument was about racial fetishization, I think it remains relevant so long as we loop back to that. The problem is that the subject is pretty adjacent to the PG-13 rule already, without getting into some of the nitty gritty details, and it's also gross to discuss at length.

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Kowani
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Punished UMN
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:53 pm

I wasn't even trying to threadjack this time, it started from an off-hand comment I made with no elaboration that everyone else jumped on. I'm just that good. Dance, puppets, dance.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:53 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:This is the white supremacy thread, not the porn thread.

We had a porn thread but the mods shut it down.

Eh, more interesting topic imo. Mods, can you change the thread title, por favor?
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:55 pm


Tucker's probably the most prominent crypto-fascist in the country.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:55 pm


Using identity to distract from economic woes.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:56 pm

I wonder if White supremacists would eventually accept whiter-looking Hispanics and Arabs if they were generally assimilated into American 'whiteness'.
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:57 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Using identity to distract from economic woes.

Tucker's rhetoric and goals are more complicated than that. He's not a neoliberal, and it's not a distraction. He wants to subjugate economic policy to racial policy, not the other way around.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:58 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I'm genuinely trying to stay on topic but fuck man I can't pull away send help please.

Why don't you create a thread on whenever porn should be banned or not then?


Too tired. :(
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:58 pm

What does...what do people mean when they say "whiteness?" Because I always interpret it as "the quality of being white."
As in
A person's "whiteness" is the fact that they're white.
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