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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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No
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Depends
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21%
Other
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:55 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
As someone who grew up in the South and internalized a lot of racism, I uh, don't think this applied to me. Considering I'm a girl.

are you racist now?

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Whatever. That isn't the subject of this thread.

don't care, get a proper flag and maybe I will litsen to what you are saying, troll

Good day!

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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:03 am

Neu California wrote:Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

(Image)

(BTW, I recommend you read the whole article I linked above, it's rather interesting and provides a possible explanation as to why she was so dark skinned)


I appreciate the artistic quality of the illustration, but I don't think that actually debunks white supremacy.

Many white supremacists believe in evolution. "The Bell Curve" proposed an evolutionary hypothesis to explain racial differences in IQ. That hypothesis involved a number of logical leaps, no hard proof was provided to back it up, and it should be taken with a large pile of salt -- but it still demonstrates how white supremacist ideology can coexist with evolutionary theory.

Once you believe in evolution, there's no reason why skin color can't change in the course of evolutionary history.

There's more than one kind of white supremacist, and some of them might be bothered by this, but others will have no trouble shrugging it off.
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:05 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:yeah sure, if you want, but kings are appointed by God, so it doesn't matter


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AVloqiXdk0

great argument, a meme, you fucking pagan

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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:11 am

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:Given that I've seen some Western dudes who engage in fetishization describe East Asian women as “neotenous” or “childlike,” that naturally sets off red flags in my mind.


It ain't nobody's business what someone's motivations are, if no laws are being broken. People who're too nosy are usually told to "get lost" more often than not. After all, if the woman can't stand to be around a certain man, they'll voluntarily leave or break things off or vice versa with the man.

I'm not offended by race play in general in terms of fiction, although I don't believe that people should ever race mix on any serious basis. It actively interferes with same race reproduction/stability of same race populations in my mind. It is most important from my standpoint that the single race skin colors be preserved.

why the hell could anyone care so much for the color of a skin lmao, like geez nobody should care about skin color or any "race" bullshit, I'm tired of seeing people being reduced to mere animals with the entire idea that races aply to humans

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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:15 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:great argument, a meme, you fucking pagan


Two posts up a mod spoke to you in red. In case you don't know, that's an unofficial warning.

Even if you somehow get much more polite, you'll still be off-topic trying to argue monarchy v. democracy in a thread about White Supremacy.

Maybe start your own thread? Don't forget to say some good things about monarchy though. As far as most of us know it's the best system that has been tried besides everything since ...

he told me how to report troll, like he didn't call me the flamer

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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:26 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:he told me how to report troll, like he didn't call me the flamer


New Visayan Islands wrote:I see you're new to the forums; if you suspect someone to be trolling, the best thing to do is to report them to Moderation. Under the Rules, trollnaming can be considered a form of flaming.[/color][/b]

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"Can be considered" is Modly politeness. It means "is".

It's against the site rules to call anyone a troll. Got it?

I know, but I still reported you for trolling, besides, seriously why are you on this website if you don't have a flag ?

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:28 am

Great Angevin Nation wrote:
Cannis Fabulous wrote:


"Can be considered" is Modly politeness. It means "is".

It's against the site rules to call anyone a troll. Got it?

I know, but I still reported you for trolling, besides, seriously why are you on this website if you don't have a flag ?


Why do people even need a flag?
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:33 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:I know, but I still reported you for trolling, besides, seriously why are you on this website if you don't have a flag ?


Why do people even need a flag?

flags are the basis to represent a nation, a dog picture isn't a flag, it's a sign that you are not on this website to use the website as intended, it's also a sign that your entire personality is only liking dogs and probably think they are worth more then human life

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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:34 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Neu California wrote:Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

(Image)

(BTW, I recommend you read the whole article I linked above, it's rather interesting and provides a possible explanation as to why she was so dark skinned)


I appreciate the artistic quality of the illustration, but I don't think that actually debunks white supremacy.

Many white supremacists believe in evolution. "The Bell Curve" proposed an evolutionary hypothesis to explain racial differences in IQ. That hypothesis involved a number of logical leaps, no hard proof was provided to back it up, and it should be taken with a large pile of salt -- but it still demonstrates how white supremacist ideology can coexist with evolutionary theory.

Once you believe in evolution, there's no reason why skin color can't change in the course of evolutionary history.

There's more than one kind of white supremacist, and some of them might be bothered by this, but others will have no trouble shrugging it off.

No, The Bell Curve did far worse than just make leaps of logic
it's the primary source of Hereditarian propaganda, but it's...pretty much completely invalid. Just off the top of my head, several of the "IQ studies" it uses to try and "calculate" the IQ of black south Africans were conducted during the height of Apartheid, in a language that most of them didn't speak. Surely nobody would try to pass that off as valid-oh wait not they totally did. Others (like one in Uganda, with 50) had absurdly small sample sizes, a non-representative Nigerian test that...didn't calculate an IQ score (it used Raven's Matrices, and Lynn reported the number of people taking the test-86-as the IQ score), and cherrypicked data from several of the other studies. At one point, they just straight up invented IQ numbers based on a test on Zambian copper miners that didn't measure IQ in the first place
yeah it's really bad

What Lynn (one of the principle guys the Bell Curve was citing) did was take 11 studies between 1929 and 1991, with vastly different sample sizes, reporting data from different tests, most of which didn't even report IQ, transformed the data into what he reckoned into what he reckoned the equivalent IQ score was (using some unknown standardization), picked one that was sort of near the middle, and said: "that's the one, that's the average Black African IQ"

If the Bell Curve is a supposed example of white supremacists going with evolutionary theory...
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
nooooooo
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:48 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:I know, but I still reported you for trolling, besides, seriously why are you on this website if you don't have a flag ?


But I do have a flag, it's in my "flag"! Unfortunately, that's not my dog, he's so cute!

Your obsession with "nation" paraphernalia should give Mods a pretty good hint about whether you're really new here, or not. I'll just see how that goes.

Meanwhile, since you've read the rules, you'll know that persistently posting off topic is known as "hijacking" and there's a rule against it. Good day.
why don't you say that to the people having an argument about asian feteshisation ?

besdies it is clear that your are obessesed with dogs, and this is quite pathetic

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:54 am

Kowani wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I appreciate the artistic quality of the illustration, but I don't think that actually debunks white supremacy.

Many white supremacists believe in evolution. "The Bell Curve" proposed an evolutionary hypothesis to explain racial differences in IQ. That hypothesis involved a number of logical leaps, no hard proof was provided to back it up, and it should be taken with a large pile of salt -- but it still demonstrates how white supremacist ideology can coexist with evolutionary theory.

Once you believe in evolution, there's no reason why skin color can't change in the course of evolutionary history.

There's more than one kind of white supremacist, and some of them might be bothered by this, but others will have no trouble shrugging it off.

No, The Bell Curve did far worse than just make leaps of logic
it's the primary source of Hereditarian propaganda, but it's...pretty much completely invalid. Just off the top of my head, several of the "IQ studies" it uses to try and "calculate" the IQ of black south Africans were conducted during the height of Apartheid, in a language that most of them didn't speak. Surely nobody would try to pass that off as valid-oh wait not they totally did. Others (like one in Uganda, with 50) had absurdly small sample sizes, a non-representative Nigerian test that...didn't calculate an IQ score (it used Raven's Matrices, and Lynn reported the number of people taking the test-86-as the IQ score), and cherrypicked data from several of the other studies. At one point, they just straight up invented IQ numbers based on a test on Zambian copper miners that didn't measure IQ in the first place
yeah it's really bad
If the Bell Curve is a supposed example of white supremacists going with evolutionary theory...
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
nooooooo

I mean, even with reliable modern data sets, IQ tests will result in a normal distribution, since that's the definition of IQ. It doesn't tell how smart a person each compared to people with a larger and smaller IQ. A ten point difference could mean the gap between a math prodigy and and a TikTok addict, it can mean that they're very similar, who the heck knows. I think IQ is only useful if we're talking about the data extremes.

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Postby Miku the Based » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:24 am

Lanoraie II wrote: non-white children and r*pe made it VERY easy to separate from that group. It's very hard to have someone tell you they genuinely want to r*pe, torture, and murder all non-white children and still think they have any sort of validity in their opinions.

Sounds like government agent psyop stuff. To take a political postition in a organization or group, slowly start to push more and more absurd declarations, premises, etc. Where at least a majority of the organization or social group agrees. This will turn away fellow travelers. Then institute purge of the social group to cement this political position or proclaimation. The end result of this cycle is something like this.
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:38 am

Miku the Based wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote: non-white children and r*pe made it VERY easy to separate from that group. It's very hard to have someone tell you they genuinely want to r*pe, torture, and murder all non-white children and still think they have any sort of validity in their opinions.

Sounds like government agent psyop stuff. To take a political postition in a organization or group, slowly start to push more and more absurd declarations, premises, etc. Where at least a majority of the organization or social group agrees. This will turn away fellow travelers. Then institute purge of the social group to cement this political position or proclaimation. The end result of this cycle is something like this.

or maybe it's because white supremacy is a disgusting ideology

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:54 am

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New yugoslavaia wrote:
So, nepotistic dictatorship.

yeah sure, if you want, but kings are appointed by God, so it doesn't matter


More like they're born into royal bloodlines, since you can't be appointed by someone who doesn't exist.
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:32 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:yeah sure, if you want, but kings are appointed by God, so it doesn't matter


More like they're born into royal bloodlines, since you can't be appointed by someone who doesn't exist.

yeah we get it you are atheist, no need to scream it everywhere, nobody cares

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:33 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:yeah sure, if you want, but kings are appointed by God, so it doesn't matter


More like they're born into royal bloodlines, since you can't be appointed by someone who doesn't exist.


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Postby Giovenith » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:38 am

Great Angevin Nation wrote:

great argument, a meme, you fucking pagan
Great Angevin Nation wrote:
Cannis Fabulous wrote:
But I do have a flag, it's in my "flag"! Unfortunately, that's not my dog, he's so cute!

Your obsession with "nation" paraphernalia should give Mods a pretty good hint about whether you're really new here, or not. I'll just see how that goes.

Meanwhile, since you've read the rules, you'll know that persistently posting off topic is known as "hijacking" and there's a rule against it. Good day.
why don't you say that to the people having an argument about asian feteshisation ?

besdies it is clear that your are obessesed with dogs, and this is quite pathetic
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
More like they're born into royal bloodlines, since you can't be appointed by someone who doesn't exist.

yeah we get it you are atheist, no need to scream it everywhere, nobody cares


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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:38 am

Great Angevin Nation wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
So, nepotistic dictatorship.

yeah sure, if you want, but kings are appointed by God, so it doesn't matter

The Kingdom of Sweden and the Kingdom of Norway beg to differ.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:04 am

I'm not interested in hearing what white supremacists might have to say, because we know from the get-go that they're full of shit. There is no reason to give their claims or arguments the benefit of the doubt. What I am interested in is in exposing how much of an idiotic, destructive and manipulative fraud their ideology is. In that regard, sure, we can and should "debate" them... but not in a "civil" fashion, not affording them or their ideology any respect, and certainly not allowing them to set the terms for the debate.
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Postby Cekovia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:06 am

Vorausen wrote:To bridge the gap between white supremacists and anti-white supremacists

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:07 am

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:Given that I've seen some Western dudes who engage in fetishization describe East Asian women as “neotenous” or “childlike,” that naturally sets off red flags in my mind.


It ain't nobody's business what someone's motivations are, if no laws are being broken. People who're too nosy are usually told to "get lost" more often than not. After all, if the woman can't stand to be around a certain man, they'll voluntarily leave or break things off or vice versa with the man.

I'm not offended by race play in general in terms of fiction, although I don't believe that people should ever race mix on any serious basis. It actively interferes with same race reproduction/stability of same race populations in my mind. It is most important from my standpoint that the single race skin colors be preserved.


I don’t see why it matters if there is racial mixing. I find mixed race people to be some of the most beautiful people.

If someone choses to marry and procreate with someone outside their own race so be it. It’s no ones place to judge nor should the government say they can’t.

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Postby Cekovia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It ain't nobody's business what someone's motivations are, if no laws are being broken. People who're too nosy are usually told to "get lost" more often than not. After all, if the woman can't stand to be around a certain man, they'll voluntarily leave or break things off or vice versa with the man.

I'm not offended by race play in general in terms of fiction, although I don't believe that people should ever race mix on any serious basis. It actively interferes with same race reproduction/stability of same race populations in my mind. It is most important from my standpoint that the single race skin colors be preserved.


I don’t see why it matters if there is racial mixing. I find mixed race people to be some of the most beautiful people.

and i find white people to be some of the most beautiful people. so what?
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:12 am

Please tell me we're not seriously trying to argue the merits of white supremacist opposition to miscegenation on the basis of how hot "mixed race" people are.
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Postby Cekovia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:13 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:Please tell me we're not seriously trying to argue the merits of white supremacist opposition to miscegenation on the basis of how hot "mixed race" people are.

personally i think society as Whole should be more focused on forming policy based on aesthetics especially as it pertains to nearly undefinable and exceptionally broad categories
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:14 am

Cultural Posadism wrote:Please tell me we're not seriously trying to argue the merits of white supremacist opposition to miscegenation on the basis of how hot "mixed race" people are.

Are we? Yes. Are we being at all serious about it? No.

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