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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

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Postby Kowani » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:42 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
It's also extremely gross.


That's most kinks if they're not your kinks.

that does not preclude this from being gross
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:44 pm

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All China wrote:Can anyone honestly say white supremacy has any benefit for the world?


The objective of White Supremacy isn't to benefit the world, but rather to benefit White people, or to otherwise secure its future from what out groups are doing.

Worked wonders for Germany.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:45 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
It's also extremely gross.


That's most kinks if they're not your kinks.


It's objectively really gross, especially when the fetishization of Asian women often comes across as borderline pedophilic.
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:46 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
It's also extremely gross.


That's most kinks if they're not your kinks.

I don't see any reason to pretend all kinks are equal and that we have to respect anyone's sexual preferences even if they're demeaning to other people and other groups of people.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:57 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:To be fair, some people have a kink for people of a certain race.

Yeah, and that's racist.

I personally don't understand why people have that kink, but ok.
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Postby Neu California » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:04 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Yeah, and that's racist.

I personally don't understand why people have that kink.

Speaking as someone who has a thing for Asian women (I wouldn't call it a fetish, but more an especially strong attraction), I personally think that they're just the most beautiful women, without caring about or buying into (at all) any of the stereotypes, except slightly the nerdy one (mostly because I'm a giant nerd myself). In fact, I loathe those stupid stereotypes with my entire being.

For me that's all it boils down to: attraction to the physical characteristics, but rejection of the demeaning stereotypes they all too often get associated with (and I'd want someone I was compatible with regardless, which none of the common stereotypes would work for me). I see nothing wrong with this. Of course, I also believe in rejecting all demeaning stereotypes from all peoples, so...
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:22 pm

Neu California wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:I personally don't understand why people have that kink.

Speaking as someone who has a thing for Asian women (I wouldn't call it a fetish, but more an especially strong attraction), I personally think that they're just the most beautiful women, without caring about or buying into (at all) any of the stereotypes, except slightly the nerdy one (mostly because I'm a giant nerd myself). In fact, I loathe those stupid stereotypes with my entire being.

For me that's all it boils down to: attraction to the physical characteristics, but rejection of the demeaning stereotypes they all too often get associated with (and I'd want someone I was compatible with regardless, which none of the common stereotypes would work for me). I see nothing wrong with this. Of course, I also believe in rejecting all demeaning stereotypes from all peoples, so...

I wouldn't call an attraction towards Asian women racist, I think it's just an appreciation of physical features present in a certain race, which, in this case, is Asian women.
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Postby Odreria » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:29 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
That's most kinks if they're not your kinks.

I don't see any reason to pretend all kinks are equal and that we have to respect anyone's sexual preferences even if they're demeaning to other people and other groups of people.

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:34 pm

Odreria wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:I don't see any reason to pretend all kinks are equal and that we have to respect anyone's sexual preferences even if they're demeaning to other people and other groups of people.

kinkshaming: important and good


Underrated comment.
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.


^ this. As long as there is no direct incitement

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really ? tell me, what happens when a democracy takes over

let's look at england, when cromwell took over

he killed the irish

oh, now let's look at the united states

they killed the natives

well france then

they killed the vandeans

the west is as bad, if not worst then the middle east, at lease the middle east are not lying about being free and equal

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:12 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:It's objectively really gross, especially when the fetishization of Asian women often comes across as borderline pedophilic.


Its not at all if the person in question is 18+ or of legal age in the eyes of the law throughout most of the developed world. Asian women can be attractive/beautiful in their own way in my experience, just that my belief is that it is more immoral for someone of a different race to act on any attraction if my firm conviction is that people should stick to their own race in terms of relationships or otherwise stay in their lane figuratively speaking. An Asian woman should ideally be with an Asian man in my mind- if they're straight.
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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:30 am

Punished UMN wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
That's most kinks if they're not your kinks.

I don't see any reason to pretend all kinks are equal and that we have to respect anyone's sexual preferences even if they're demeaning to other people and other groups of people.


Because there's a difference between a kink and a stereotype.

A kink is liking well-endowed black guys.

A stereotype is expecting every black guy to be a sex machine with a giant dick.

It's the stereotype that is the problem.
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Postby USS Monitor » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:38 am

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:It's objectively really gross, especially when the fetishization of Asian women often comes across as borderline pedophilic.


Its not at all if the person in question is 18+ or of legal age in the eyes of the law throughout most of the developed world. Asian women can be attractive/beautiful in their own way in my experience, just that my belief is that it is more immoral for someone of a different race to act on any attraction if my firm conviction is that people should stick to their own race in terms of relationships or otherwise stay in their lane figuratively speaking. An Asian woman should ideally be with an Asian man in my mind- if they're straight.


Just cos it's legal doesn't mean it's not gross.

Some people do get really gross with their fetishes. Not everyone who has a racial preference is like that, but some are.

I don't doubt Kowani when he says he's had some bad experiences with racial fetishists.
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Postby Neu California » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:42 am

Fun fact: this is what a native resident of modern day Denmark might have looked like a mere 5,700 years ago:

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 am

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:It's objectively really gross, especially when the fetishization of Asian women often comes across as borderline pedophilic.


Its not at all if the person in question is 18+ or of legal age in the eyes of the law throughout most of the developed world. Asian women can be attractive/beautiful in their own way in my experience, just that my belief is that it is more immoral for someone of a different race to act on any attraction if my firm conviction is that people should stick to their own race in terms of relationships or otherwise stay in their lane figuratively speaking. An Asian woman should ideally be with an Asian man in my mind- if they're straight.


So, one question here. What would your ideal society be?
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:56 am

of course not, if all you want to say is how you are superior to everyone, just shut the fuck seriously, nobody cares

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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:59 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do."

really ? tell me, what happens when a democracy takes over

let's look at england, when cromwell took over

he killed the irish

oh, now let's look at the united states

they killed the natives

well france then

they killed the vandeans

the west is as bad, if not worst then the middle east, at lease the middle east are not lying about being free and equal


Democracies seem to have no problem with killing foreigners. But that's hardly the point is it?

democracies are a failure

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:05 am

Great Angevin Nation wrote:
Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Democracies seem to have no problem with killing foreigners. But that's hardly the point is it?

democracies are a failure


So what do you think would be better?
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:06 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:democracies are a failure


So what do you think would be better?

absolute monarchies

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:13 am

Great Angevin Nation wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
So what do you think would be better?

absolute monarchies


So, nepotistic dictatorship.
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Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:democracies are a failure


Whatever. That isn't the subject of this thread.

don't care, get a proper flag and maybe I will litsen to what you are saying, troll

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Postby Great Angevin Nation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:18 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Great Angevin Nation wrote:absolute monarchies


So, nepotistic dictatorship.

yeah sure, if you want, but kings are appointed by God, so it doesn't matter

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 am

Saiwania wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:It's objectively really gross, especially when the fetishization of Asian women often comes across as borderline pedophilic.


Its not at all if the person in question is 18+ or of legal age in the eyes of the law throughout most of the developed world. Asian women can be attractive/beautiful in their own way in my experience, just that my belief is that it is more immoral for someone of a different race to act on any attraction if my firm conviction is that people should stick to their own race in terms of relationships or otherwise stay in their lane figuratively speaking. An Asian woman should ideally be with an Asian man in my mind- if they're straight.


Given that I've seen some Western dudes who engage in fetishization describe East Asian women as “neotenous” or “childlike,” that naturally sets off red flags in my mind.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:49 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:Given that I've seen some Western dudes who engage in fetishization describe East Asian women as “neotenous” or “childlike,” that naturally sets off red flags in my mind.


It ain't nobody's business what someone's motivations are, if no laws are being broken. People who're too nosy are usually told to "get lost" more often than not. After all, if the woman can't stand to be around a certain man, they'll voluntarily leave or break things off or vice versa with the man.

I'm not offended by race play in general in terms of fiction, although I don't believe that people should ever race mix on any serious basis. It actively interferes with same race reproduction/stability of same race populations in my mind. It is most important from my standpoint that the single race skin colors be preserved.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:55 am

Great Angevin Nation wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
So, nepotistic dictatorship.

yeah sure, if you want, but kings are appointed by God, so it doesn't matter


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-AVloqiXdk0
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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