White Supremacy discussion thread

[Kowani]

that is not how evolution works, but i'm relatively certain you know that already

You mean it doesn't work like Pokemon? My bio profs are in for a rude suprise if I ever go into a PhD program.

Pokémon has like 5 different evolution frameworks, and i would recommend citing none of them in a bio class under any circumstances.

this is, hs been, and will remain, your most aggravating stock phrase

More aggravating than "you have bad opinions"?

the difference is, that one's not true, and so it can be, like all untrue information, dismissed
this one has not, to my knowledge, been deployed in reaction to something negative

[Fahran]

Pokémon has like 5 different evolution frameworks, and i would recommend citing none of them in a bio class under any circumstances.

I'm tempted to make you present your research because that'd be hilarious, but we'd probably get really off-topic if I did that. So, instead, I'm going to dig for helpful articles and perhaps suggest that we broaden the scope of this thread to be about ALL racial identitarianism since we could probably have some interesting conversations about things like Eurocentrism/Afrocentrism in archaeology and classics and whatnot.

the difference is, that one's not true, and so it can be, like all untrue information, dismissed
this one has not, to my knowledge, been deployed in reaction to something negative

I refuted one of your statements yesterday, though I suppose I didn't really refute an opinion.

[East Blepia]

Except for New Orleans. I don't joke about hating on New Orleans. New Orleans sucks.

The hatred is mutual, y*nkee.

[Kowani]

Pokémon has like 5 different evolution frameworks, and i would recommend citing none of them in a bio class under any circumstances.

I'm tempted to make you present your research because that'd be hilarious, but we'd probably get really off-topic if I did that. So, instead, I'm going to dig for helpful articles and perhaps suggest that we broaden the scope of this thread to be about ALL racial identitarianism since we could probably have some interesting conversations about things like Eurocentrism/Afrocentrism in archaeology and classics and whatnot.

that is actually not a bad idea, and i might actually learn something, since it is nowhere near my area of expertise
i had an idea for an effortpost of my own about public opinion in regards to white supremacy, i might do that later on

the difference is, that one's not true, and so it can be, like all untrue information, dismissed
this one has not, to my knowledge, been deployed in reaction to something negative

I refuted one of your statements yesterday, though I suppose I didn't really refute an opinion.

and i wish you luck in your futile struggle to do so!
besides, from your perspective, wasn't the statement a good one?

[Neu California]

Ko may be the one exception, but he's a robot.

to the best of my knowledge, i am not a robot
merely someone who has chosen to use the vast repository of information that is the internet to its fullest
then i realized that was inefficient and computerized my brain
it is not my fault you meatbags can't keep up :^)

So what percentage of your computerized brain consists of cat pictures?

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Except for New Orleans. I don't joke about hating on New Orleans. New Orleans sucks.

The hatred is mutual, y*nkee.

[Fahran]

So there's been some interesting conversations and research around the Aryan Invasion Hypothesis, including two notable studies in Cell and Science that seem to corroborrate older hypotheses. This actually made me raise an eyebrow since this contradicts a couple hypotheses I heard a few years back to the effect that the Aryan Invasion, more or less, hadn't happened as traditionally understood, with the Harappans being Indo-European speakers or the shift having been a purely linguistic one.

While I remained skeptical of these new hypotheses, I had heard them discussed in online lectures and articles with increasing frequency and a close friend of mine, who specializes in the study of India and the MENA regions, gleefully bombarded me with even more articles on the subject. Well, it seems that Indo-European migrations, often of male individuals, did occur in India, but that the situation is pretty complicated, with numerous waves of migration and settlement occuring. You can read the study to get a bit more insight.

Anyway, I figured this might interest folks in this thread given how much time some white supremacists spend discussing Aryan ancestry and whatnot. I'll post one of my articles on Europe to deflate the notion that Euros are of pure, unsullied Aryan stock later since, surprise, genetic mixing was everywhere.

[Kowani]

to the best of my knowledge, i am not a robot
merely someone who has chosen to use the vast repository of information that is the internet to its fullest
then i realized that was inefficient and computerized my brain
it is not my fault you meatbags can't keep up :^)

So what percentage of your computerized brain consists of cat pictures?

little, i have my own cat, and as such, have no need for inferior representations

So there's been some interesting conversations and research around the Aryan Invasion Hypothesis, including two notable studies in Cell and Science that seem to corroborrate older hypotheses. This actually made me raise an eyebrow since this contradicts a couple hypotheses I heard a few years back to the effect that the Aryan Invasion, more or less, hadn't happened as traditionally understood, with the Harappans being Indo-European speakers or the shift having been a purely linguistic one.

While I remained skeptical of these new hypotheses, I had heard them discussed in online lectures and articles with increasing frequency and a close friend of mine, who specializes in the study of India and the MENA regions, gleefully bombarded me with even more articles on the subject. Well, it seems that Indo-European migrations, often of male individuals, did occur in India, but that the situation is pretty complicated, with numerous waves of migration and settlement occuring. You can read the study to get a bit more insight.

Anyway, I figured this might interest folks in this thread given how much time some white supremacists spend discussing Aryan ancestry and whatnot. I'll post one of my articles on Europe to deflate the notion that Euros are of pure, unsullied Aryan stock later since, surprise, genetic mixing was everywhere.

will read the study, then get back to you

[Fahran]

will read the study, then get back to you

You're gonna hate me. Also, Dr. Shinde's argument seems much weaker than I remember.

[Suriyanakhon]

The economic arguments in favor of immigration don't persuade me, because on the social issues at the end of the day- the immigrants coming in don't look like the already existing locals and have a vastly different culture. Hence, I don't want those newcomers changing the character of where I live and more in favor of theirs at the expense of mine.

I have a nationalistic and limited view of what I want my country and home to be.

That's the gist of your argument... they look different, therefore they cannot assimilate.

Do you really believe this?

Not entirely the same thing, but I participate at a Thai American temple where I'm very much the minority, and literally no one has a problem with it. Despite looking extremely different from the vast majority of the temple goers, skin color has never been a cultural divide because I take the time to learn about and respect Tai culture.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

You seem very ignorant. I've played HOI4, and an irl German victory really wouldn't have been that difficult with 20 or so more panzer divisions.

Are...are you sincerely basing WW2 strategy critique on Hearts of Iron?
Oh my sweet summer child.

I think they're just memeing here, unless you're making a joke in which case I feel stupid now

[Kowani]

will read the study, then get back to you

You're gonna hate me.

Gonna?
no, as punishment, i'm upping the scale and depth of my own effortpost. I'm so out of my element now it isn't even funny

Also, Dr. Shinde's argument seems much weaker than I remember.

admittedly, genetics is not my thing, and I am pretty sure I've misinterpreted something
but I am not certain the authors of Scroll and I are reading the same Cell study
they seem to be using it as evidence for the Aryan Migration Hypothesis
but the words of the study don't seem to hold that conclusion
see, this is from the Scroll page:

Thanks to the Cell paper released on September 5, we now know that the people of the Indus Valley had no Steppe DNA. They mainly had a mixture of Iranian-farmer-related DNA as well as some DNA from Ancient Ancestral South Indians.

but this is from the Cell study

A genome from the Indus Valley Civilization is from a population that is the largest source for South Asians. The population has no detectable ancestry from Steppe pastoralists or from Anatolian and Iranian farmers, suggesting farming in South Asia arose from local foragers rather than from large-scale migration from the West.

on the other hand, the Science study doesn't seem to agree with the idea that the people of the Indus valley had no steppe connections-

Our results not only provide evidence against an Iranian plateau origin for Indo-European languages in South Asia but also evidence for the theory that these languages spread from the Steppe.

now, in regards to Dr. Shinde's argument
so firstly, he's broadly correct that calling it a "migration" rather than "a movement of people" would appear to overstate the case

However, Steppe pastoralist ancestry appeared in outlier individuals at BMAC sites by the turn of the second millennium BCE around the same time as it appeared on the southern Steppe. Using data from ancient individuals from the Swat Valley of northernmost South Asia, we show that Steppe ancestry then integrated further south in the first half of the second millennium BCE, contributing up to 30% of the ancestry of modern groups in South Asia.

his secondary point that the Harappans were speaking Sanskrit, however, may be less less supported:

The strong correlation between ASI ancestry and present-day Dravidian languages suggests that the ASI, which we have shown formed as groups with ancestry typical of the Indus Periphery Cline moved south and east after the decline of the IVC to mix with groups with more AASI ancestry, most likely spoke an early Dravidian language.

but there's a contradiction I think is worth noting-the two papers take different positions on the "primary groups"
From Cell:

Our analysis of data from one individual from the IVC, in conjunction with 11 previously reported individuals from sites
in cultural contact with the IVC, demonstrates the existence of an ancestry gradient that was widespread in farmers to the northwest of peninsular India at the height of the IVC, that had little if any genetic contribution from Steppe pastoralists or western Iranian farmers or herders,and that had a primary impact on the ancestry of later South Asians.

From Science:

This cline extended to the desert oases of Central Asia and was the primary source of ancestry in peoples of the Bronze Age Bactria Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC). This supports the idea that the archaeologically documented dispersal of domesticates was accompanied by the spread of people from multiple centers of domestication. The main population of the BMAC carried no ancestry from Steppe pastoralists and did not contribute substantially to later South Asians.

that
that was terrible
i think i deleted a paragraph every time i went back to confirm something and saw i misread it

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So there's been some interesting conversations and research around the Aryan Invasion Hypothesis, including two notable studies in Cell and Science that seem to corroborrate older hypotheses. This actually made me raise an eyebrow since this contradicts a couple hypotheses I heard a few years back to the effect that the Aryan Invasion, more or less, hadn't happened as traditionally understood, with the Harappans being Indo-European speakers or the shift having been a purely linguistic one.

While I remained skeptical of these new hypotheses, I had heard them discussed in online lectures and articles with increasing frequency and a close friend of mine, who specializes in the study of India and the MENA regions, gleefully bombarded me with even more articles on the subject. Well, it seems that Indo-European migrations, often of male individuals, did occur in India, but that the situation is pretty complicated, with numerous waves of migration and settlement occuring. You can read the study to get a bit more insight.

Anyway, I figured this might interest folks in this thread given how much time some white supremacists spend discussing Aryan ancestry and whatnot. I'll post one of my articles on Europe to deflate the notion that Euros are of pure, unsullied Aryan stock later since, surprise, genetic mixing was everywhere.

There probably was an Aryan migration of sorts. Idk about an Invasion though.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Except that more immigration doesn't cause unemployment, nor lower wages for natives. You are committing the Lump of Labor fallacy i.e. thinking that the number of jobs is fixed and that immigrants "steal" jobs from the natives. Immigrants can also create more jobs with their consumption, because it turns out that immigrants also buy stuff like normal humans.

The economic arguments in favor of immigration don't persuade me, because on the social issues at the end of the day- the immigrants coming in don't look like the already existing locals and have a vastly different culture. Hence, I don't want those newcomers changing the character of where I live and more in favor of theirs at the expense of mine.

I have a nationalistic and limited view of what I want my country and home to be.

As someone who lives in a place that got a lot of Syrian refugees, I can safely say that at least half of the Syrians do not look different than the folks already here, including but not limited to the Irish, Italians, Germans, and those of English heritage.

Unless you're worried about the population being 5% blonde instead of 10, I really don't know what the issue is from a phenotypical pov.

[Ethel mermania]

Ever post in a thread and regret it simply because it keeps popping up in your "view your posts" page?

Yeah, this one right here.


Carry on

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

Ever post in a thread and regret it simply because it keeps popping up in your "view your posts" page?

Yeah, this one right here.


Carry on

I do, I really do

[Senkaku]

Except that more immigration doesn't cause unemployment, nor lower wages for natives. You are committing the Lump of Labor fallacy i.e. thinking that the number of jobs is fixed and that immigrants "steal" jobs from the natives. Immigrants can also create more jobs with their consumption, because it turns out that immigrants also buy stuff like normal humans.

The economic arguments in favor of immigration don't persuade me, because on the social issues at the end of the day- the immigrants coming in don't look like the already existing locals and have a vastly different culture. Hence, I don't want those newcomers changing the character of where I live and more in favor of theirs at the expense of mine.

I have a nationalistic and limited view of what I want my country and home to be.

Why? You barely interact with your country and home. How, specifically, do they “change the character” of where you live? I doubt you can actually identify anything in your life that’s directly affected in any way by the presence or lack thereof of immigrants of any skin color.

[Salus Maior]

Anyone remember in the 2016 GOP primaries, Marco Rubio got caught using the same, recycled line that he'd prepped ahead of time, got called out on it, and then used it again? (if you haven't, watch, it's hilarious)
but that's you
you're Marco Rubio
you never want to be Marco Rubio

But for real though, let's dispel the notion that Obama doesn't know what he's doing, he knows EXACTLY what he's doing...

[Jabberwocky]

Not only are whites not superior, they aren't trendy, and that's far worse.

[Ethel mermania]

Not only are whites not superior, they aren't trendy, and that's far worse.

White men can't jump!

And I will have you know, we jews can dance.

[SD_Film Artists]

I think it's generally a bad thing. It's also no worse than other kinds of racial supremacy. Racism is bad.

In a way white supremacy is racist against white people as it lumps all white people into a single group rather than good old national supremacy.

[I-UwU-I]

whites are good

[Borderlands of Rojava]

whites are good

Yes but white supremacy is a not.

[Salus Maior]

whites are good

I mean, they can be. Anyone can be good. It's just not dependent on racial "borders" which don't really exist.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

You can apologize for being wrong now.

Unimaginably BASED !!!

The O.P. may also want to examine the correlation between race and intelligence, i.e. that a hierarchy of races exists with regard to intelligence (see attached).

The only real correlation in that image is the one between poverty and intelligence, i.e. the more impoverished the region/country the less intelligent the populace.