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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
529
40%
No
484
37%
Depends
283
21%
Other
25
2%
 
Total votes : 1321

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:32 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Altan Ulus wrote:For what it's worth, I've never met or heard from a female white supremacist.


That doesn't matter to me or to a lot of other people. Life is far more than just trying to get married or being a simp or chasing status. Perhaps some people are meant to be alone their whole life but are fine with it.

For me what matters when I'm on here, is what's going on in the world or if its political/ideological. Never about anything thats too personal life or insignificant.


Yet you have a major issue with immigration and demographics remaining majority white. Could you explain what is so special about being white?

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:34 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:do you want a joke answer or a serious one

The serious answer is "Questers will take your horse away."

Give me the joke answer.

because doing so would be communism

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
That doesn't matter to me or to a lot of other people. Life is far more than just trying to get married or being a simp or chasing status. Perhaps some people are meant to be alone their whole life but are fine with it.

For me what matters when I'm on here, is what's going on in the world or if its political/ideological. Never about anything thats too personal life or insignificant.


Yet you have a major issue with immigration and demographics remaining majority white. Could you explain what is so special about being white?

why do you keep asking him this
you're not gonna get anything approaching a rational answer and definitely not one you'll be satisfied with
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Saiwania
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:36 pm

Fahran wrote:I think getting married and having a family carries with it far more nobility than soldiering on for a bad cause.


That depends, in that what is bad is good from the perspective of someone else. Most things in this world are zero sum in that there is someone or something that wins out at the expense of another. But if it is genuinely you, I'd say it is better to own being celibate than to identify as an incel.

Someone might not be happy with their situation deep down- but the point is that they can learn to like or accept it anyways as one possibility.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Fahran wrote:I think getting married and having a family carries with it far more nobility than soldiering on for a bad cause.


That depends, in that what is bad is good from the perspective of someone else. Most things in this world are zero sum in that there is someone or something that wins out at the expense of another. But if it is genuinely you, I'd say it is better to own being celibate than to identify as an incel.

Someone might not be happy with their situation deep down- but the point is that they can learn to like or accept it anyways as one possibility.


You're an Incel?

Well, I probably should have guessed. White nationalists aren't exactly high on demand when it comes to significant others.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:44 pm

Saiwania wrote:That depends, in that what is bad is good from the perspective of someone else.

Do you think marriage and family are bad things?

Saiwania wrote:Most things in this world are zero sum in that there is someone or something that wins out at the expense of another. But if it is genuinely you, I'd say it is better to own being celibate than to identify as an incel.

That sounds a lot like resignation. Why wouldn't you want to work to improve yourself socially, intellectually, physically, professionally, and in every other respect? And why wouldn't you want to make an effort at romantic and familial attachments if those things interest you and would bring you more joy than going through life alone? You're no more incapable of these things than anyone else. You just have to actually make an effort instead of giving up.

Saiwania wrote:Someone might not be happy with their situation deep down- but the point is that they can learn to like or accept it anyways as one possibility.

Or they can work to improve it.

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:45 pm

Salus Maior wrote:You're an Incel? Well, I probably should have guessed. White nationalists aren't exactly high on demand when it comes to significant others.


I'm not an incel in that I don't identify as one. I was using an example for when someone might go from caring about something too much to adopting an "I don't care" view on it. Nothing matters for me in this world, except the state of majority White nations in existence. Whether there are any left and where those places are going.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:52 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You're an Incel? Well, I probably should have guessed. White nationalists aren't exactly high on demand when it comes to significant others.


I'm not an incel in that I don't identify as one. I was using an example for when someone might go from caring about something too much to adopting an "I don't care" view on it. Nothing matters for me in this world, except the state of majority White nations in existence. Whether there are any left and where those places are going.

i would recommend taking a break from the internet
do something you haven't tried before
personally, i've found baking worthwhile
that's not healthy...at all
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:54 pm

Saiwania wrote:Nothing matters for me in this world, except the state of majority White nations in existence. Whether there are any left and where those places are going.

...is the tastiness of your dinner or the beauty of your sunsets or the love in your family members’ eyes actually conditional on arbitrarily defined demographic data from like, a couple dozen random places? How could nothing else in the world matter to you? I’m not saying you have to get married or be in a relationship to be a complete person or whatever nonsense, live your life in a way that makes you happy, but I can’t imagine how living as if nothing mattered to you except a single political issue could do that.
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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:55 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:You're an Incel? Well, I probably should have guessed. White nationalists aren't exactly high on demand when it comes to significant others.


I'm not an incel in that I don't identify as one. I was using an example for when someone might go from caring about something too much to adopting an "I don't care" view on it. Nothing matters for me in this world, except the state of majority White nations in existence. Whether there are any left and where those places are going.

Please go out get a job so you can atleast contribute to society in some way.
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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:01 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So you support Europeans going places they aren't welcomed but are against non whites coming to your country. Sai, why do you think so many non whites moved to the west?

I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.

Well honey if you wanna ask who was here first, it was my father's Native American relatives who have lived relatively in the same area since pre-Columbian times, and saying the white race is specific is like saying pop music is specific.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:01 pm

Altan Ulus wrote:For what it's worth, I've never met or heard from a female white supremacist.

It always tends to be the men who fetishize the military and feel insecure in themselves that push white supremacy. You don't see any blonde-haired blue-eyed fräulein saying Hitler was right anymore.


There are a lot of white supremacist women, the reason that they aren't visible in white supremacist organizations is that they tend to be extremely chauvinistic and constantly attack visible women. Even several of their own leaders were pretty uncomfortable with how badly one of their own, Lauren Southern, was attacked by their own crowd for being a politically active woman.
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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

But ... their uniforms!

Hugo Boss is overrated.
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and the greatest is love."
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:02 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I'm not an incel in that I don't identify as one. I was using an example for when someone might go from caring about something too much to adopting an "I don't care" view on it. Nothing matters for me in this world, except the state of majority White nations in existence. Whether there are any left and where those places are going.

Please go out get a job so you can atleast contribute to society in some way.

“Human lives are only valuable insofar as they make economic contributions to the growth of the capitalist economy” is not the tough-love motivational take you think it is
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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:03 pm

Senkaku wrote:
National Capitalist United States wrote:Please go out get a job so you can atleast contribute to society in some way.

“Human lives are only valuable insofar as they make economic contributions to the growth of the capitalist economy” is not the tough-love motivational take you think it is

I know, but it's better being a blue-collar worker than being a Neo-Nazi NEET.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:04 pm

East Blepia wrote:Salus Maior, if I may go off on a tangent, why do you describe yourself as a 'Traditionalist Catholic', 'distributist', &c., and campaign so fervently against racialism?


It might have something to do with Catholicism being a catholic religion, one that has saints of all ethnicites, some of them mixed race? The Vatican has condemned racism multiple times as an assault on human dignity and the idea that Traditionalism = Racism is a weird misconception that mainly gets perpetuated by Theosophist weirdos.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:04 pm

Kowani wrote:
Vorausen wrote:
Pretty sure Hitler wrote his book "Mein Krampf" in prison, I wonder if suppression of Nazism made it seem heroic to people at the time.

hitler was in prison for launching a failed coup, not for being a nazi

Ran out of beer in the beer hall and all that.
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and the greatest is love."
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:05 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Senkaku wrote:“Human lives are only valuable insofar as they make economic contributions to the growth of the capitalist economy” is not the tough-love motivational take you think it is

I know, but it's better being a blue-collar worker than being a Neo-Nazi NEET.

The important part here is dropping the Neo-Nazi stuff, not dropping the NEET stuff. I’d rather have a content and well-socialized NEET who finds meaning in their life from things other than their career than a still-miserable and angry Neo-Nazi janitor or whatever.
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National Capitalist United States
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:07 pm

Senkaku wrote:
National Capitalist United States wrote:I know, but it's better being a blue-collar worker than being a Neo-Nazi NEET.

The important part here is dropping the Neo-Nazi stuff, not dropping the NEET stuff. I’d rather have a content and well-socialized NEET who finds meaning in their life from things other than their career than a still-miserable and angry Neo-Nazi janitor or whatever.

Dropping both would be good, since as far as I'm aware, Sai isn't disabled to a point where he can't work.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:08 pm

Senkaku wrote:The important part here is dropping the Neo-Nazi stuff, not dropping the NEET stuff. I’d rather have a content and well-socialized NEET who finds meaning in their life from things other than their career than a still-miserable and angry Neo-Nazi janitor or whatever.

I'm not really certain a person can be a well-socialized NEET. I think people should strive to obtain a fulfilling education and get a job they enjoy and that allows them to provide for their own needs. A NEET, by definition, is somebody who has kinda burned out and become a perpetual dependent as far as I understand it.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:09 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I'm not an incel in that I don't identify as one. I was using an example for when someone might go from caring about something too much to adopting an "I don't care" view on it. Nothing matters for me in this world, except the state of majority White nations in existence. Whether there are any left and where those places are going.

Please go out get a job so you can atleast contribute to society in some way.

this is not the motivation it would appear to be, and it's definitely not going to work on someone who doesn't feel many societal obligations in the first place-

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Altan Ulus wrote:For what it's worth, I've never met or heard from a female white supremacist.

It always tends to be the men who fetishize the military and feel insecure in themselves that push white supremacy. You don't see any blonde-haired blue-eyed fräulein saying Hitler was right anymore.


There are a lot of white supremacist women, the reason that they aren't visible in white supremacist organizations is that they tend to be extremely chauvinistic and constantly attack visible women. Even several of their own leaders were pretty uncomfortable with how badly one of their own, Lauren Southern, was attacked by their own crowd for being a politically active woman.

meanwhile, all of us outside the bubble were entirely unsurprised by that turn of events
maybe radical essentialists might not take to kindly to people "stepping out of their lane"

Luminesa wrote:
Kowani wrote:hitler was in prison for launching a failed coup, not for being a nazi

Ran out of beer in the beer hall and all that.

...
this is the second lamest failed coup in history
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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:12 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Senkaku wrote:“Human lives are only valuable insofar as they make economic contributions to the growth of the capitalist economy” is not the tough-love motivational take you think it is

I know, but it's better being a blue-collar worker than being a Neo-Nazi NEET.

You know that in required union states, blue collar workers make an average 6 figure salary?

Guy I knew in high school went to trade school to become a welder and was making like, $20-$35 an hour 6 months after getting out of HS.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:12 pm

Fahran wrote:
Senkaku wrote:The important part here is dropping the Neo-Nazi stuff, not dropping the NEET stuff. I’d rather have a content and well-socialized NEET who finds meaning in their life from things other than their career than a still-miserable and angry Neo-Nazi janitor or whatever.

I'm not really certain a person can be a well-socialized NEET. I think people should strive to obtain a fulfilling education and get a job they enjoy and that allows them to provide for their own needs. A NEET, by definition, is somebody who has kinda burned out and become a perpetual dependent as far as I understand it.

Sai might have something else going on that we're not aware of, such as psychological problems. This is not meant as a personal attack, but just me stating that he probably has something else going on that led him down the path he is now.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:12 pm

National Capitalist United States wrote:
Senkaku wrote:The important part here is dropping the Neo-Nazi stuff, not dropping the NEET stuff. I’d rather have a content and well-socialized NEET who finds meaning in their life from things other than their career than a still-miserable and angry Neo-Nazi janitor or whatever.

Dropping both would be good, since as far as I'm aware, Sai isn't disabled to a point where he can't work.

Work and capitalism suck though.
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Postby National Capitalist United States » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:14 pm

New haven america wrote:
National Capitalist United States wrote:I know, but it's better being a blue-collar worker than being a Neo-Nazi NEET.

You know that in required union states, blue collar workers make an average 6 figure salary?

Guy I knew in high school went to trade school to become a welder and was making like, $20-$35 and hour.

Regardless of his salary, he needs to do something with his life other than being paranoid about the white race "ending".
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Postby Atheris » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:14 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Vorausen wrote:The amount of yes's are equal to the amount of no's


Allowing Fascists to have a voice will only allow Fascism to come to power in the end, which is a net negative for literally everyone who isn't part of their "pure" clique.

But I guess nobody wants to learn their fucking history so the rest of us who have are forced to sit back and watch as the same dumbass mistakes are made all over again.

Because that worked for communism in Russia and China and fascism in Spain, Germany, and (more recently) Poland.
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