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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
529
40%
No
484
37%
Depends
283
21%
Other
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:30 pm

Saiwania wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ironic, considering in you're sig you say America needs to support Israel, and we all know the Nazi's general view on Jews...


There is no contradiction in that there are plenty of people within the Right in general who don't like the Jewish people in particular, but love the state of Israel and its government itself anyways.

For me, it is a matter of aligning with a country I see as better than the alternative, which would be to align with Palestine. Palestinian territory is poorer and more backward from my perspective, so of course I'm going to back Israel instead if it means the region in question is going to have a richer country or faction administering it. In addition, Israel existing is more beneficial if it means Jews globally speaking, will have a place to live if they so choose to go there.


What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:30 pm

Odreria wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

You seem very ignorant. I've played HOI4, and an irl German victory really wouldn't have been that difficult with 20 or so more panzer divisions.

Are...are you sincerely basing WW2 strategy critique on Hearts of Iron?
Oh my sweet summer child.

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:31 pm

East Blepia wrote:I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.

So do you prefer living next to black Americans over living next to white Norwegians who might be coming to steal your jobs and speak their weird language in general earshot?

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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 pm

Odreria wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

You seem very ignorant. I've played HOI4, and an irl German victory really wouldn't have been that difficult with 20 or so more panzer divisions.

This is so true. If I were Hitler I would have simply had 20-30 more panzer divisions! I guess he should’ve played on a lower difficulty.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 pm

Saiwania wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ironic, considering in you're sig you say America needs to support Israel, and we all know the Nazi's general view on Jews...


There is no contradiction in that there are plenty of people within the Right in general who don't like the Jewish people or culture in particular, but love the state of Israel and its government itself anyways.

For me, it is a matter of aligning with a country I see as better than the alternative, which would be to align with Palestine. Palestinian territory is poorer and more backward from my perspective, so of course I'm going to back Israel instead if it means the region in question is going to have a richer country or faction administering it. In addition, Israel existing is more beneficial if it means Jews globally speaking, will have a place to live if they so choose to go there.


Countries tend to end up backwards when they're occupied by a foreign power and oppressed. As someone who has been to both Israel and the Palestinian west Bank, I can say you don't know what you're talking about.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?

We call our children bubele until they're twenty three. :p

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm

Fahran wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?

We call our children bubele until they're twenty three. :p

That is legitimately cute.

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
There is no contradiction in that there are plenty of people within the Right in general who don't like the Jewish people in particular, but love the state of Israel and its government itself anyways.

For me, it is a matter of aligning with a country I see as better than the alternative, which would be to align with Palestine. Palestinian territory is poorer and more backward from my perspective, so of course I'm going to back Israel instead if it means the region in question is going to have a richer country or faction administering it. In addition, Israel existing is more beneficial if it means Jews globally speaking, will have a place to live if they so choose to go there.


What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?


He thinks you're in a conspiracy to remove his alleged race from existence.

I say alleged because whiteness isn't real.
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:34 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Fahran wrote:We call our children bubele until they're twenty three. :p

That is legitimately cute.

You heard it here first, folks. Jews are cute and wholesome.

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:34 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Odreria wrote:You seem very ignorant. I've played HOI4, and an irl German victory really wouldn't have been that difficult with 20 or so more panzer divisions.

Are...are you sincerely basing WW2 strategy critique on Hearts of Iron?
Oh my sweet summer child.


I'm pretty sure it's a joke.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:35 pm

Fahran wrote:
Genivaria wrote:That is legitimately cute.

You heard it here first, folks. Jews are cute and wholesome.


Why be antisemitic when you can like Jewish people instead?
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"The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you."

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Saiwania
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?


I don't fully know why antisemitism has such a global reach in terms of influence or why it has such an enduring history.

But I would venture to guess that many in the far right hate Jewish people in general, because most Jews are perceived to vote for the political enemies of Conservatives in most places where there are Jewish populations or support policies that're seen as disadvantageous for non-Jews such as backing globalization and mass immigration from poor countries, among other things.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:35 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Are...are you sincerely basing WW2 strategy critique on Hearts of Iron?
Oh my sweet summer child.


I'm pretty sure it's a joke.

In that case I shall see my way out.

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Odreria
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Ex-Nation

Postby Odreria » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:35 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So you support Europeans going places they aren't welcomed but are against non whites coming to your country. Sai, why do you think so many non whites moved to the west?

I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.

If there's a white race then how come slavs are good at basketball
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
There is no contradiction in that there are plenty of people within the Right in general who don't like the Jewish people in particular, but love the state of Israel and its government itself anyways.

For me, it is a matter of aligning with a country I see as better than the alternative, which would be to align with Palestine. Palestinian territory is poorer and more backward from my perspective, so of course I'm going to back Israel instead if it means the region in question is going to have a richer country or faction administering it. In addition, Israel existing is more beneficial if it means Jews globally speaking, will have a place to live if they so choose to go there.


What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?

Basically, it's the medieval concept that since Jews have their own unique culture, then they can't possibly be able to go in and integrate or assimilate to the local culture, and as such will destabilize and destroy the nation state. (Also, in Europe's case, Jews were allowed to do most banking jobs while Christians weren't which pissed off the heavily Christian Europe)

Completely forgetting the fact that most Jews are white and all religions have their own attached cultures and practices.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:37 pm

Saiwania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?


I don't fully know why antisemitism has such a global reach in terms of influence or why it has such an enduring history.

But I would venture to guess that many in the far right hate Jewish people in general, because most Jews are perceived to vote for the political enemies of Conservatives in most places where there are Jewish populations or support policies that're seen as disadvantageous such as backing globalization and mass immigration from poor countries, among other things.

Jews tend to lean left. A Republican hasn't won the Jewish vote since Harding in 1920.

I still fail to understand why immigration is such an issue and what makes being white so special.

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Alcala-Cordel
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:37 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
If you think the Nazis were good for Germany, you clearly haven't seen Germany in the past what, 80 years?

You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

For anyone who needs to hear it:

The Nazis were extremely lucky to get as far as they got, their system of management was extremely unstable and unsuitable and they were using up resources like crazy. There was no way they could have won.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:38 pm

Saiwania wrote:But I would venture to guess that many in the far right hate Jewish people in general, because most Jews are perceived to vote for the political enemies of Conservatives in most places where there are Jewish populations or support policies that're seen as disadvantageous such as backing globalization and mass immigration from poor countries, among other things.

Oddly enough, Jews in the UK and France tend to vote for center-right political parties as far as I'm aware.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:39 pm

Saiwania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What's wrong with Jews? Also what is special about being white?


I don't fully know why antisemitism has such a global reach in terms of influence or why it has such an enduring history.

But I would venture to guess that many in the far right hate Jewish people in general, because most Jews are perceived to vote for the political enemies of Conservatives in most places where there are Jewish populations or support policies that're seen as disadvantageous such as backing globalization and mass immigration from poor countries, among other things.

you know, there's one thing i can always count on with nazis
doesn't matter how open they are about it, every nazi will blame the people they want to oppress for their oppression
it's like an abusive partner asking "why are you making me hit you?", only with genocide
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:39 pm

Also, why do people think the white race is the best? The best race is obviously the Kentucky Derby.

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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:39 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Senkaku wrote:You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

For anyone who needs to hear it:

The Nazis were extremely lucky to get as far as they got, their system of management was extremely unstable and unsuitable and they were using up resources like crazy. There was no way they could have won.

I for one think that having the commander of your air force (who is also your wealthiest industrialist) being addicted to morphine in the middle of a war is in fact a brilliant way to run a country!
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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:44 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:
When was the US in good shape tho?

True, but you're more anti-U.S. than I remember Nak.


I'd say the US were in good shape in the early 2010s most recently.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:44 pm

Senkaku wrote:If I were Hitler

we're canceling you now, btw
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Saiwania
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:46 pm

Kowani wrote:you know, there's one thing i can always count on with nazis
doesn't matter how open they are about it, every nazi will blame the people they want to oppress for their oppression
it's like an abusive partner asking "why are you making me hit you?", only with genocide


There is valid speculation about why Jews were persecuted for so long in so many places, because it is true for the most part that in nearly every Jewish diaspora, the Jews got kicked out of the countries they were trying to immigrate to or settle in or turned the local majorities against them for one reason or another.

It is likely that Jewish culture insisted on remaining separate from the surrounding community and their neighbors didn't want to tolerate their presence as a minority.
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Senkaku
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Senkaku wrote:If I were Hitler

we're canceling you now, btw

Dang. Well, it was going to happen someday; it might as well be for doing the most cancel-worthy thing possible.
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