White Supremacy discussion thread

[The New California Republic]

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Hello, based department?

Agreeing with what an actual Nazi is saying is a pretty shitty take ngl.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Hello, based department?

Agreeing with what an actual Nazi is saying is a pretty shitty take ngl.

Blepia is a white nationalist as well. That's why he agrees.

[Saiwania]

Ignores all of the Natives who died under the cruel slave conditions of the Spanish in Central America or the many other millions who died from Europeans colonizing their lands.

What the Spanish did was wrong, but it arguably would've happened anyways in nearly any other instance of a technologically superior culture coming into contact with a technologically inferior one. The stronger will of course want to try to take over the weaker one.

Its a fair trade in my view, that the natives got educational help and etc. in terms of becoming civilized- in exchange for providing natural resources or manual labor to the stronger faction. The French are said to have been pretty good to the native Americans relatively speaking, but the English did worse, and the Spanish much worser.

[The New California Republic]

Agreeing with what an actual Nazi is saying is a pretty shitty take ngl.

Blepia is a white nationalist as well. That's why he agrees.

The actual reason is irrelevant, it's still a crock of shit.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Ignores all of the Natives who died under the cruel slave conditions of the Spanish in Central America or the many other millions who died from Europeans colonizing their lands.

What the Spanish did was wrong, but it arguably would've happened anyways in nearly any other instance of a technologically superior culture coming into contact with a technologically inferior one. The stronger will of course want to try to take over the weaker one.

Its a fair trade in my view, that the natives got educational help and etc. in terms of becoming civilized- in exchange for providing natural resources or manual labor to the stronger faction.

#1 the natives were in many cases already civilized. Cortez described the Aztec capital as being like Rome.

#2 are you really trying to justify slavery?

[Whitemore]

Ignores all of the Natives who died under the cruel slave conditions of the Spanish in Central America or the many other millions who died from Europeans colonizing their lands.

What the Spanish did was wrong, but it arguably would've happened anyways in nearly any other instance of a technologically superior culture coming into contact with a technologically inferior one. The stronger will of course want to try to take over the weaker one.

Its a fair trade in my view, that the natives got educational help and etc. in terms of becoming civilized- in exchange for providing natural resources or manual labor to the stronger faction. The French are said to have been pretty good to the native Americans relatively speaking, but the English did worse, and the Spanish much worser.

That is legit the worse type of argument you could make to justify genocide's being carried out by "civilized" people who did not care enough to ask nicely if the Natives wanted their medical or technological knowledge. Instead they invaded, raped women, killed children, all in the name of their God.

[Senkaku]

Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.

People keep getting it wrong. I consider it more a matter of identity and what country/culture I want to live in than anything else. If I were born Black instead, but had the same experiences and so on; I'd naturally gravitate to African culture and etc. instead.

“Gravitating” to your cultural heritage is one thing; no one would be reaming you out if you were becoming a French pastry chef or joining the Irish mob or something in line with whatever form of “white culture” you’ve got family ties to. But that isn’t what you’re doing— in this analogy you’ve created, Black Sai isn’t just “gravitating to African culture,” he would be calling for the expulsion of foreigners from Africa, the creation of a Black separatist state in the Americas, and some sort of pan-African intervention program in other countries to impose their will on the global stage.

But because I'm pro-White more than anything else, people treat me as like the scum of the Earth because it has historical baggage.

People treat you like the scum of the Earth because you openly cheer for an ideological project that’s slaughtered, maimed, and oppressed tens of millions of people and which explicitly wants to continue doing so on an even larger scale (and because you do so in such a crude, spiteful, self-absorbed, and bumbling manner). Not because you just happen to associate yourself with something that “has historical baggage.”

Because Liberal/Progressive types these days, hate on all that is traditionally defined as western civilization.

Yes yes, white supremacists have self-appointed themselves the guardians of “western civilization,” despite their total lack of understanding of what the concept even entails or what cultural and historical richness it contains. I wonder if you have a single original idea or critical thought about the movement you so fervently profess your belief in, I’ve never seen you do anything other than make piss-poor attempts at regurgitating the same talking points that everyone on the right from Laura Ingraham to Richard Spencer have broadly outlined.

I happen to believe that European imperialism and a majority White US is what's good, so what?

Again: this is very different from just “gravitating towards your culture.” Supporting imperialism is quite different from just having an interest in literature or art or cuisine or architectural theory or whatever the fuck— you just get a certain vicarious thrill from reading about brutality and atrocities if the people committing them look enough like you that you can imagine yourself in their shoes, but you’re too chickenshit to admit it. It’s one thing to dream of a life of adventure or whatever, it’s another thing to get hard when you read about mass killings.

I know the NSDAP did a ton of bad stuff, but

What more is there to say, honestly? You know the Nazis did a ton of bad stuff, but... it doesn’t bother you, at the end of the day. You still support their vision and if they’d won the war you’d be happy with the state of the world— and you’ve deluded yourself into thinking that if only God had rolled the dice differently, they could’ve, rather than recognizing that their movement’s all-consuming hatefulness, paranoia, and murderousness contained the seeds of its own destruction all along and set Germany heading inexorably towards being firebombed into oblivion.

[Salus Maior]

I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.

"White race" lol. As if that means anything.

Why do you find value in meaningless labels? Racial "purity" is a myth, there's no real science behind it. Being "white" doesn't make you anything.

Hell, I'd bet if you ever took one of those DNA tests you'd find a little bit of African or Hebrew in you.

[Postauthoritarian America]

If one white supremacist is sitting at a table spouting off hateful ignorance with ten other people who are saying nothing then there are 11 white supremacists at that table.

how so? I could see the argument being made if they were harassing someone, or harming someone, but how does even listening to them, or allowing them to speak, make you one of them.

Because when it comes to white supremacy, among other things, silence equals consent.

[San Lumen]

The Nazi’s killed six million of my people. They were truly awful depraved people. Do you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or anyone else non white being in any elected office?

You don't get where I'm coming from and your questioning is puerile more often than not from my perspective, so that is why I don't bother continuing with you sometimes. Of course I don't object to non-Whites having jobs in and of itself.

I can still object to the immigration coming in or the demographic changes that're happening and declare that it is not what I'd approve of and would block and undo if I had the power to. Trump's immigration policy wasn't perfect but nonetheless most closely matched that I wanted to happen as a matter of national policy. I have a White-European centric vision for what the US should be over the long if not the short term.

I'm aware that the native Americans and Blacks, etc. got screwed over, but there is no reason for me to give anything back to them if they've already lost in a general sense. Such people can have their autonomy, but otherwise- the nation shouldn't be helping or hindering them any.

Why does demographics matter? What is so special about being white?

[Odreria]

how so? I could see the argument being made if they were harassing someone, or harming someone, but how does even listening to them, or allowing them to speak, make you one of them.

Because when it comes to white supremacy, among other things, silence equals consent.

"Silence equals consent" is the ultimate lib unity.

[Rusozak]

Ignores all of the Natives who died under the cruel slave conditions of the Spanish in Central America or the many other millions who died from Europeans colonizing their lands.

What the Spanish did was wrong, but it arguably would've happened anyways in nearly any other instance of a technologically superior culture coming into contact with a technologically inferior one. The stronger will of course want to try to take over the weaker one.

Its a fair trade in my view, that the natives got educational help and etc. in terms of becoming civilized- in exchange for providing natural resources or manual labor to the stronger faction. The French are said to have been pretty good to the native Americans relatively speaking, but the English did worse, and the Spanish much worser.

White Man's Burden, much?

[Senkaku]

Hello, based department?

If you think the Nazis were good for Germany, you clearly haven't seen Germany in the past what, 80 years?

You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

[Farnhamia]

If you think the Nazis were good for Germany, you clearly haven't seen Germany in the past what, 80 years?

You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

But ... their uniforms!

[The New California Republic]

I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.

"White race" lol. As if that means anything.

Why do you find value in meaningless labels? Racial "purity" is a myth, there's no real science behind it. Being "white" doesn't make you anything.

Hell, I'd bet if you ever took one of those DNA tests you'd find a little bit of African or Hebrew in you.

It isn't even just a myth at this point, as in light of DNA testing readily showing that everyone on the planet actually has a mix of origins, maintaining that "racial purity" exists is an active and conscious lie. Before the advent of DNA testing they perhaps had an excuse, but now they just don't.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

To quote 'In The Flesh part 2' by Pink Floyd, "If I had my way I'd have you all shot!", which is extremely ironic since the protagonist of The Wall was turning into a white supremacist and was listing off people he would have 'removed' from society (Homosexuals, Black people, Jews, people with acne, and people who do drugs).

But yeah, why should we give these 'people' mouths to speak? What do they actually do for society by claiming that white people are the best and everyone else is inferior? Nothing, at least radical communists/socialists actually have a point about the mass accumulation of wealth by a small group of people, and how capitalism is a system built off of exploitation of the lower classes.

"Wah wah, Black people, Asians and Jews scare me and therefore must be exterminated from society, wah wah!", yeah buddy, you and half your friends turn against the wall, and the rest should follow the NKVD officer to the gulags, thanks

[Kowani]

So you support Europeans going places they aren't welcomed but are against non whites coming to your country. Sai, why do you think so many non whites moved to the west?

I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.

(nobody tell him that us immigrants are benefits in every metric for the overwhelming majority of US citizens )

[Senkaku]

You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

But ... their uniforms!

Fortunately for the free world, not even Hugo Boss can balance aesthetics with napalm resistance. :^)

[Odreria]

If you think the Nazis were good for Germany, you clearly haven't seen Germany in the past what, 80 years?

You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

You seem very ignorant. I've played HOI4, and an irl German victory really wouldn't have been that difficult with 20 or so more panzer divisions.

[Salus Maior]

If you think the Nazis were good for Germany, you clearly haven't seen Germany in the past what, 80 years?

You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

There was literally no way for the Germans to win the war on the Eastern Front. They borked it from the very beginning.

[Stellar Colonies]

how so? I could see the argument being made if they were harassing someone, or harming someone, but how does even listening to them, or allowing them to speak, make you one of them.

Because when it comes to white supremacy, among other things, silence equals consent.

eh

[Saiwania]

Ironic, considering in you're sig you say America needs to support Israel, and we all know the Nazi's general view on Jews...

There is no contradiction in that there are plenty of people within the Right in general who don't like the Jewish people or culture in particular, but love the state of Israel and its government itself anyways.

For me, it is a matter of aligning with a country I see as better than the alternative, which would be to align with Palestine. Palestinian territory is poorer and more backward from my perspective, so of course I'm going to back Israel instead if it means the region in question is going to have a richer country or faction administering it. In addition, Israel existing is more beneficial if it means Jews globally speaking, will have a place to live if they so choose to go there.

[Fahran]

Because when it comes to white supremacy, among other things, silence equals consent.

I wouldn't quite go that far since extrapolating that to other examples becomes a bit... problematic.

[Genivaria]

Hello, based department?

If you think the Nazis were good for Germany, you clearly haven't seen Germany in the past what, 80 years?

I sincerely am a great admirer of German culture and history, which is why (well one of many reasons) I curse Nazis for permanently staining the legacy of Germany.

[Senkaku]

You don’t understand Salus, they came so close to winning the war! All they would’ve had to do was... *checks notes*... not be a bunch of batshit crazy and insanely corrupt Nazis, and Germany would’ve been saved!

There was literally no way for the Germans to win the war on the Eastern Front. They borked it from the very beginning.

No no, it’s very simple, look— if they had just:

- not gone into a tizzy when the British hit Berlin and redirected the focus of their air campaign towards cities, but instead achieved air supremacy and then launched a successful invasion and knocked Britain out of the war before turning east
- made common cause with millions of Poles, Jews, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, etc. living in the western USSR to launch a multi-ethnic united struggle of Eastern European peoples against communist domination
- focused only on capturing Moscow and finishing off Leningrad rather than trying to swallow the Caucasus and Stalingrad in one fell swoop
- not invested vast sums and huge amounts of manpower and material into a continent-spanning genocide campaign or ridiculous and unfeasible superweapons

Now, you may say to do these things, they would’ve had to have been run by a group of sensible, mild-mannered and compassionate public servants and military officers (who probably would’ve just never started a still-eminently-loseable war in the first place), rather than a collection of corrupt, hate-filled, mercurial divas and hedonistic egomaniacs who were constantly micromanaged by a hotheaded megalomaniacal corporal with mommy issues... but the point is, if Germany had simply been a totally different country and fought the war for totally different reasons, it maybe could’ve worked!