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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
529
40%
No
484
37%
Depends
283
21%
Other
25
2%
 
Total votes : 1321

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:50 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:So do you want a 100% white country or simply majority white?


In the US' case, I'd settle for a majority White country. I've accepted that Blacks and native Americans have a place in the US given what happened with them. But the Asian and Latino immigration didn't need to happen. The US was in pretty good shape in 1900 compared to now.


The US wasn't in good shape in 1900. That was the era of crony capitalism as well as the klan's night rides, in which they killed not only black people but alot of people who you now consider white.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:What I wonder more about the white supremacists' thoughts is how they found the movies of Django and the Inglourious Basterds.


I imagine it's about what we'd expect.

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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:56 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
In the US' case, I'd settle for a majority White country. I've accepted that Blacks and native Americans have a place in the US given what happened with them. But the Asian and Latino immigration didn't need to happen. The US was in pretty good shape in 1900 compared to now.


The US wasn't in good shape in 1900. That was the era of crony capitalism as well as the klan's night rides, in which they killed not only black people but alot of people who you now consider white.

somehow, i don't think you're going to trigger a sudden epiphany in him
being a nazi is all he has left
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:58 pm

Kowani wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The US wasn't in good shape in 1900. That was the era of crony capitalism as well as the klan's night rides, in which they killed not only black people but alot of people who you now consider white.

somehow, i don't think you're going to trigger a sudden epiphany in him
being a nazi is all he has left

Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:00 pm

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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:03 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:somehow, i don't think you're going to trigger a sudden epiphany in him
being a nazi is all he has left

Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.

that is, i think, harsher than i would be, but it's a thing that gets broadly applied to many who think similarly to him
perhaps i should take a look into that later
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.

that is, i think, harsher than i would be, but it's a thing that gets broadly applied to many who think similarly to him
perhaps i should take a look into that later

Maybe I should redact it. I wasn't trying to be snarky, but merely observe what is going on.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:09 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.


People keep getting it wrong. I consider it more a matter of identity and what country/culture I want to live in than anything else. If I were born Black instead, but had the same experiences and so on; I'd naturally gravitate to African culture and etc. instead.

But because I'm pro-White more than anything else, people treat me as like the scum of the Earth because it has historical baggage. Because Liberal/Progressive types these days, hate on all that is traditionally defined as western civilization.

I happen to believe that European imperialism and a majority White US is what's good, so what? I know the NSDAP did a ton of bad stuff, but their system and what they accomplished for Germany when WW2 went well for them still impresses me greatly. I focus on what a grand state they had Germany in from 1933 until 1940 or so, instead of putting forth my attentions on the people boo-hooing about how they didn't benefit from that regime or had to flee or whatever else happened back then.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:10 pm

Goodness, the Nazis really want this discussion shut down, don't they?

If only they were any good at arguing, or had any evidence for their cause, they wouldn't have to resort to spam tactics. What a shame.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:12 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.


People keep getting it wrong. I consider it more a matter of identity and what country/culture I want to live in than anything else. If I were born Black instead, but had the same experiences and so on; I'd naturally gravitate to African culture and etc. instead.

But because I'm pro-White more than anything else, people treat me as like the scum of the Earth because it has historical baggage. Because Liberal/Progressive types these days, hate on all that is traditionally defined as western civilization.

I happen to believe that European imperialism and a majority White US is what's good, so what? I know the NSDAP did a ton of bad stuff, but their system and what they accomplished for Germany when WW2 went well for them still impresses me greatly. I focus on what a grand state they had Germany in from 1933 until 1940 or so, instead of putting forth my attentions on the people boo-hooing about how they didn't benefit from that regime or had to flee or whatever else happened back then.


You mean destroying their own country and making it so that they'll never be a world power?

Not to mention the permanent territorial losses. Nothing they did was worthwhile or good for Germany.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:13 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.


People keep getting it wrong. I consider it more a matter of identity and what country/culture I want to live in than anything else. If I were born Black instead, but had the same experiences and so on; I'd naturally gravitate to African culture and etc. instead.

But because I'm pro-White more than anything else, people treat me as like the scum of the Earth because it has historical baggage. Because Liberal/Progressive types these days, hate on all that is traditionally defined as western civilization.

I happen to believe that European imperialism and a majority White US is what's good, so what? I know the NSDAP did a ton of bad stuff, but their system and what they accomplished for Germany when WW2 went well for them still impresses me greatly. I focus on what a grand state they had Germany in from 1933 until 1940 or so, instead of putting forth my attentions on the people boo-hooing about how they didn't benefit from that regime or had to flee or whatever else happened back then.

You can be against the excesses of so called "anti-racists" and extreme progressives and leftists without supporting genocide and Nazism.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:19 pm

Fahran wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:What I wonder more about the white supremacists' thoughts is how they found the movies of Django and the Inglourious Basterds.


I imagine it's about what we'd expect.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:22 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
In the US' case, I'd settle for a majority White country. I've accepted that Blacks and native Americans have a place in the US given what happened with them. But the Asian and Latino immigration didn't need to happen. The US was in pretty good shape in 1900 compared to now.


The US wasn't in good shape in 1900. That was the era of crony capitalism as well as the klan's night rides, in which they killed not only black people but alot of people who you now consider white.


When was the US in good shape tho?

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Postby Whitemore » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:26 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.


People keep getting it wrong. I consider it more a matter of identity and what country/culture I want to live in than anything else. If I were born Black instead, but had the same experiences and so on; I'd naturally gravitate to African culture and etc. instead.

But because I'm pro-White more than anything else, people treat me as like the scum of the Earth because it has historical baggage. Because Liberal/Progressive types these days, hate on all that is traditionally defined as western civilization.

I happen to believe that European imperialism and a majority White US is what's good, so what? I know the NSDAP did a ton of bad stuff, but their system and what they accomplished for Germany when WW2 went well for them still impresses me greatly. I focus on what a grand state they had Germany in from 1933 until 1940 or so, instead of putting forth my attentions on the people boo-hooing about how they didn't benefit from that regime or had to flee or whatever else happened back then.


Ignores all of the Natives who died under the cruel slave conditions of the Spanish in Central America or the many other millions who died from Europeans colonizing their lands.
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Postby East Blepia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:36 pm

Saiwania wrote:snip

Hello, based department?
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:37 pm

Nakena wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The US wasn't in good shape in 1900. That was the era of crony capitalism as well as the klan's night rides, in which they killed not only black people but alot of people who you now consider white.


When was the US in good shape tho?

True, but you're more anti-U.S. than I remember Nak.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:40 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:snip

Hello, based department?

You agree with the admitted Nazi?

Ironic, considering in you're sig you say America needs to support Israel, and we all know the Nazi's general view on Jews...
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:48 pm

Whitemore wrote:
Ignores all of the Natives who died under the cruel slave conditions of the Spanish in Central America or the many other millions who died from Europeans colonizing their lands.


He's not ignoring it. He just doesn't care/thinks it's good.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:49 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:snip

Hello, based department?


If you think the Nazis were good for Germany, you clearly haven't seen Germany in the past what, 80 years?
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Postby Whitemore » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:49 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Whitemore wrote:
Ignores all of the Natives who died under the cruel slave conditions of the Spanish in Central America or the many other millions who died from Europeans colonizing their lands.


He's not ignoring it. He just doesn't care/thinks it's good.


Hmm.. fair point.
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Postby East Blepia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:52 pm

New haven america wrote:
East Blepia wrote:Hello, based department?

You agree with the admitted Nazi?

Ironic, considering in you're sig you say America needs to support Israel, and we all know the Nazi's general view on Jews...

The signature is ironic. Of course I oppose Israel.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:55 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Not to be snarky or flamebaity but you're absolutely correct. He has nothing in life to be proud of so he tries to take pride in his racial and ethnic background.


People keep getting it wrong. I consider it more a matter of identity and what country/culture I want to live in than anything else. If I were born Black instead, but had the same experiences and so on; I'd naturally gravitate to African culture and etc. instead.

But because I'm pro-White more than anything else, people treat me as like the scum of the Earth because it has historical baggage. Because Liberal/Progressive types these days, hate on all that is traditionally defined as western civilization.

I happen to believe that European imperialism and a majority White US is what's good, so what? I know the NSDAP did a ton of bad stuff, but their system and what they accomplished for Germany when WW2 went well for them still impresses me greatly. I focus on what a grand state they had Germany in from 1933 until 1940 or so, instead of putting forth my attentions on the people boo-hooing about how they didn't benefit from that regime or had to flee or whatever else happened back then.


So you support Europeans going places they aren't welcomed but are against non whites coming to your country. Sai, why do you think so many non whites moved to the west?
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Postby East Blepia » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:58 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
People keep getting it wrong. I consider it more a matter of identity and what country/culture I want to live in than anything else. If I were born Black instead, but had the same experiences and so on; I'd naturally gravitate to African culture and etc. instead.

But because I'm pro-White more than anything else, people treat me as like the scum of the Earth because it has historical baggage. Because Liberal/Progressive types these days, hate on all that is traditionally defined as western civilization.

I happen to believe that European imperialism and a majority White US is what's good, so what? I know the NSDAP did a ton of bad stuff, but their system and what they accomplished for Germany when WW2 went well for them still impresses me greatly. I focus on what a grand state they had Germany in from 1933 until 1940 or so, instead of putting forth my attentions on the people boo-hooing about how they didn't benefit from that regime or had to flee or whatever else happened back then.


So you support Europeans going places they aren't welcomed but are against non whites coming to your country. Sai, why do you think so many non whites moved to the west?

I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:59 pm

East Blepia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So you support Europeans going places they aren't welcomed but are against non whites coming to your country. Sai, why do you think so many non whites moved to the west?

I don't have to use objective standards. Those are for deciding between political parties, parties in historical conflicts, etc. I am a member of a particular group - the white race. Immigration to the United States has real-world effects on me, my family, and my country. I don't care who was here first because our rights, properties, and lives are at stake.


Is that so? Well idk why your white nationalist ally up the page supports imperialism, considering not only is it hypocritical to bitch about people coming to your to your while you invade theirs, but it also usually leads to them coming to yours.
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