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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:56 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:Two sources, actually, because it's a double-pronged affair. The first question is "does it work in the original site?" Pretty unambiguous yes.

The second question "what if they go to other platforms" is slightly more nuanced-They do migrate to other platforms, but their reach is greatly reduced, and they don't appear to drag much of their original community with them.

I'm talking about the law, not private companies exercising their right to enforce their TOS.

that's great, but you weren't part of the quote chain, i wasn't responding to you
it's just easier to bring the studies back and give more context than hope for people to hunt them down
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Postby Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:56 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Vorausen wrote:Pretty sure Hitler wrote his book "Mein Krampf" in prison, I wonder if suppression of Nazism made it seem heroic to people at the time.

"My Cramp"? Was that the early working title?



Oops, looks like I made a spelling error :oops:

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:58 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:I'm talking about the law, not private companies exercising their right to enforce their TOS.

that's great, but you weren't part of the quote chain, i wasn't responding to you
it's just easier to bring the studies back and give more context than hope for people to hunt them down

Oh, my bad. I was in another quote chain, and I incorrectly thought that was what you were responding too.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:58 pm

Vorausen wrote:It is a lie that the Americans got into WW2 to "fight the Nazis". In fact, many people in America shared Anti Semitic (and just plain Anti other nations) views, a great example of this being Henry Ford, who personally admired Hitler. Instead, the attack on Pearl Harbor was the reason why America joined the allies.

Odd, why are you trying to present this reason for America joining the war as if it's new and groundbreaking information? It really really isn't.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:00 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:that's great, but you weren't part of the quote chain, i wasn't responding to you
it's just easier to bring the studies back and give more context than hope for people to hunt them down

Oh, my bad. I was in another quote chain, and I incorrectly thought that was what you were responding too.

ahhhh, fair enough
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Postby Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:01 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Vorausen wrote:It is a lie that the Americans got into WW2 to "fight the Nazis". In fact, many people in America shared Anti Semitic (and just plain Anti other nations) views, a great example of this being Henry Ford, who personally admired Hitler. Instead, the attack on Pearl Harbor was the reason why America joined the allies.

Odd, why are you trying to present this reason for America joining the war as if it's new and groundbreaking information? It really really isn't.


Why are you being so sarcastic for absolutely no reason? It is not helping the conservation nor is it adding to it.

I was clearing out a misconception that schools still teach and many people still have about WW2. It's not new nor groundbreaking for those who understand the backstory of WW2. But sadly not every person knows about history.

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Postby Hirota » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:03 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Vorausen wrote:
Pretty sure Hitler wrote his book "Mein Krampf" in prison, I wonder if suppression of Nazism made it seem heroic to people at the time.


It wasn’t much of a persecution.

For attempting to overthrow the government in Munich, he was sentenced to 6 months. He only served 4.
Wrong on both lengths of time. On April 1st 1924 Hitler was sentenced for High Treason for Five years, and served roughly nine months.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:03 pm

Vorausen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Odd, why are you trying to present this reason for America joining the war as if it's new and groundbreaking information? It really really isn't.


Why are you being so sarcastic for absolutely no reason? It is not helping the conservation nor is it adding to it.

It isn't sarcasm at all, I'm genuinely asking why you are trying to present that information as if it is some Earth-shattering revelation that isn't widely known.
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:04 pm

Hirota wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It wasn’t much of a persecution.

For attempting to overthrow the government in Munich, he was sentenced to 6 months. He only served 4.
Wrong on both lengths of time. On April 1st 1924 Hitler was sentenced for High Treason for Five years, and served roughly nine months.


Ah, I might have gotten it mixed up with something else.

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:06 pm

I have no respect for all speech that includes hatred and grudge. my sincere thoughts are to drive out racist white supremacists. But I know it won't work so education should be given to these people. Please, if anyone advocates white supremacy, can he manifest himself ?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:06 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Vorausen wrote:
Why are you being so sarcastic for absolutely no reason? It is not helping the conservation nor is it adding to it.

It isn't sarcasm at all, I'm genuinely asking why you are trying to present that information as if it is some Earth-shattering revelation that isn't widely known.

I'm going to give him some benefit of the doubt, but I do have a suspicion about what he is doing.
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Postby Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:07 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Vorausen wrote:
Why are you being so sarcastic for absolutely no reason? It is not helping the conservation nor is it adding to it.

It isn't sarcasm at all, I'm genuinely asking why you are trying to present that information as if it is some Earth-shattering revelation that isn't widely known.


Never presented it that way, but ok. :blink:
My own parents don't know where Portugal is, and that's not an earth-shattering revelation. What you consider "info everybody knows" maybe "a cool and hey I didn't know that fact"

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:08 pm

Vorausen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It isn't sarcasm at all, I'm genuinely asking why you are trying to present that information as if it is some Earth-shattering revelation that isn't widely known.


Never presented it that way, but ok. :blink:

Yeah you actually did, the phrasing was very particular and easily noticeable.
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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Vorausen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:09 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Vorausen wrote:
Never presented it that way, but ok. :blink:

Yeah you actually did, the phrasing was very particular and easily noticeable.


Your opinion, your point of view. That's all I have for you.

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:13 pm

Vorausen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yeah you actually did, the phrasing was very particular and easily noticeable.


Your opinion, your point of view. That's all I have for you.

Alright man, but just to reiterate again that Pearl Harbor leading to America entering the war is not new info.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:14 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Execution for treason would've probably nipped the party in the bud.


It would because there was no other in the party that had the same speaking ability. It was worthwhile because without the NSDAP, Germany would've never become great in all of its history.

The Nazi’s killed six million of my people. They were truly awful depraved people. Do you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or anyone else non white being in any elected office?

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It would because there was no other in the party that had the same speaking ability. It was worthwhile because without the NSDAP, Germany would've never become great in all of its history.

The Nazi’s killed six million of my people. They were truly awful depraved people. Do you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or anyone else non white being in any elected office?

Who cares what Sai wants our government to look like? We'll let him express his shitty views, but it's not like we're going to consider them. Plus, we know what the answer is, as he is a Nazi after all.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:The Nazi’s killed six million of my people. They were truly awful depraved people. Do you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or anyone else non white being in any elected office?


You don't get where I'm coming from and your questioning is puerile more often than not from my perspective, so that is why I don't bother continuing with you sometimes. Of course I don't object to non-Whites having jobs in and of itself.

I can still object to the immigration coming in or the demographic changes that're happening and declare that it is not what I'd approve of and would block and undo if I had the power to. Trump's immigration policy wasn't perfect but nonetheless most closely matched that I wanted to happen as a matter of national policy. I have a White-European centric vision for what the US should be over the long if not the short term.

I'm aware that the native Americans and Blacks, etc. got screwed over, but there is no reason for me to give anything back to them if they've already lost in a general sense. Such people can have their autonomy, but otherwise- the nation shouldn't be helping or hindering them any.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:29 pm

Vorausen wrote:On my personal quest to learn more about the beautiful world we live on, I have come across so many interesting people, from Communists to Liberal socialists, democratic centrists, nationalists, fascists, and liberals. But a group of people that I have failed to have seen is a white supremacist. That was until today.





So that got me thinking, I am not someone that knows the full ideology and beliefs of white supremacy (I’m more well knowledgeable on the KKK) and I believe we should listen to everybody idea’s no matter how much we hate them or despise them. So the purpose of this thread is to do the following

Discuss issues pertaining to White supremacy and White nationalism

Gain a full and whole idea of what white supremacy is and what it isn't

To bridge the gap between white supremacists and anti-white supremacists

To have civil debates and conservations on the values and tenets of White supremacy (and why or why not you believe it is flawed)



To get things straight I am no white supremacist myself, I am rather a person interested in hearing in what they have to say. I believe everybody regardless of how hateful I think their views may be, must be able to voice their opinion without harsh backlash.

That being said, I know how fast things can get out of hand these days, so make sure to keep it civil, and follow NS rules.

Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views? I voted for option 1 on the Poll - Yes, like the NS issue of Nazi Sympathizers Plan Rally. I respect all persons democratic rights to express their different views with respect towards each other, while strongly disagreeing with each other, many persons on and off NS of all political ideologies are intolerant of this democratic right, I know from personal experiences, lol.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:44 pm

Saiwania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The Nazi’s killed six million of my people. They were truly awful depraved people. Do you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or anyone else non white being in any elected office?


You don't get where I'm coming from and your questioning is puerile more often than not from my perspective, so that is why I don't bother continuing with you sometimes. Of course I don't object to non-Whites having jobs in and of itself.

I can still object to the immigration coming in or the demographic changes that're happening and declare that it is not what I'd approve of and would block and undo if I had the power to. Trump's immigration policy wasn't perfect but nonetheless most closely matched that I wanted to happen as a matter of national policy. I have a White-European centric vision for what the US should be over the long if not the short term.

I'm aware that the native Americans and Blacks, etc. got screwed over, but there is no reason for me to give anything back to them if they've already lost in a general sense. Such people can have their autonomy, but otherwise- the nation shouldn't be helping or hindering them any.


So do you want a 100% white country or simply majority white?
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:45 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So do you want a 100% white country or simply majority white?


There's no point in humoring him.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:48 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So do you want a 100% white country or simply majority white?


There's no point in humoring him.


I'm just curious to see what he says.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:49 pm

What I wonder more about the white supremacists' thoughts is how they found the movies of Django and the Inglourious Basterds.

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:49 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:So do you want a 100% white country or simply majority white?


In the US' case, I'd settle for a majority White country. I've accepted that Blacks and native Americans have a place in the US given what happened with them. But the Asian and Latino immigration didn't need to happen. The US was in pretty good shape in 1900 compared to now. Even year 2000 was better than now in terms of what the US population looked like in my eyes.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:50 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I have no respect for all speech that includes hatred and grudge. my sincere thoughts are to drive out racist white supremacists. But I know it won't work so education should be given to these people. Please, if anyone advocates white supremacy, can he manifest himself ?

I would perhaps begin by reassessing your attitudes regarding Armenians.

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