White Supremacy discussion thread

[State of Hyperborea]

I don't necessary think that anyone is disgusting, maybe their views in a globalized society may be considered disgusting. But I don't think white supremacists are inherently bad people, just a different outlook on race and such. White supremacy is an idea that is passed on from generation to egneration.

I generally find lynchings and genocide to be disgusting, but I note your points.

You immediately engage in fallacy. Believing that the aggregate characteristics of white people are conducive to the most successful civilisations and societies or at least for advancement towards such a society does not automatically mean you want to lynch people or partake in genocide.

If I attributed average IQ differences among races (measuring differences in general intelligence) to genetic variation, that wouldn't automatically confer genocidal tendencies onto me. Take Dr Edward Dutton (find his videos on bitchute), he doesn't have such simplistic or barbaric inclinations, yet the Wikipedia page on him describes him as a white supremacist.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Well from what I know Italian fascism doesn't have much of that Aryan/racial superiority component that Nazism has.

I’m an American first and foremost, America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way. Therefore, it would make little sense for any sort of American nationalist to adopt a racialist worldview, since it ignores the core founding identity of the American nation, versus, say, European nationstates

-since it's founding

we literally had slaves

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I’m an American first and foremost, America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way. Therefore, it would make little sense for any sort of American nationalist to adopt a racialist worldview, since it ignores the core founding identity of the American nation, versus, say, European nationstates

-since it's founding

we literally had slaves

Which we crushed a separatist rebellion to abolish, eventually

[Enjuku]

I’m an American first and foremost, America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way. Therefore, it would make little sense for any sort of American nationalist to adopt a racialist worldview, since it ignores the core founding identity of the American nation, versus, say, European nationstates

Race and ethnicity aren't the same thing.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Kowani is a fake leftist? Really now, you were the guy who not so long ago was complaining about how there were too many immigrants in Greece and you couldn't go there on vacation anymore as a result. You of anyone here shouldn't be accusing people of being a fake leftist. Kowani is one of the most real leftists on this site, and even though I often disagree with him on the means to bring about a socialist world, he is as real a leftist as every other ancom, syndicalist, democratic confederalist and green party member on this site.

Keep on fucking lying lol it’s the neoliberal way after all

You can't be serious. WLO, is that you?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

El Paso shooting victims disagree with you, as do the Christchurch mosque victims. But I forgot you were the guy complaining about not being able to go to the beach cause of all the immigrants.

I didn’t say that, your such a fucking liar

I said I worry about areas with high numbers of Abrahamic residents yet I have traveled outside of America lots before covid

I clearly remember you saying you hated how you couldn't go on vacation to Greece anymore due to the refugees there, because it "didn't feel safe."

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Well from what I know Italian fascism doesn't have much of that Aryan/racial superiority component that Nazism has.

I’m an American first and foremost, America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way. Therefore, it would make little sense for any sort of American nationalist to adopt a racialist worldview, since it ignores the core founding identity of the American nation, versus, say, European nationstates

America was also founded on the idea of liberty, something you - as a fascist - diametrically oppose.

[The Reformed American Republic]

-since it's founding

we literally had slaves

Which we crushed a separatist rebellion to abolish, eventually

It wasn't even supposed to last forever.

[Kowani]

Kowani is a fake leftist? Really now, you were the guy who not so long ago was complaining about how there were too many immigrants in Greece and you couldn't go there on vacation anymore as a result. You of anyone here shouldn't be accusing people of being a fake leftist. Kowani is one of the most real leftists on this site, and even though I often disagree with him on the means to bring about a socialist world, he is as real a leftist as every other ancom, syndicalist, democratic confederalist and green party member on this site.

Keep on fucking lying lol it’s the neoliberal way after all

>rojava
>neoliberal

excuse me while i laugh

[Atheris]

I’m an American first and foremost, America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way. Therefore, it would make little sense for any sort of American nationalist to adopt a racialist worldview, since it ignores the core founding identity of the American nation, versus, say, European nationstates

-since it's founding

we literally had slaves

Which was only kept because the nation literally wouldn't exist if it was abolished in 1789.

[Mannixa Prime]

right back at you

And you wonder why capitalism rules supreme

Fake leftists like your self

except, you know, the existence of racism as a dividing tool to keep the underclass from rising up is well-documented in leftist thought going back over a century
how do you not know this lmao

Racism and tribalism are part of human nature, you can’t social engineer your way out of those facts.

Greed and classism motivate capitalism not race. Neoliberals like to say otherwise to prevent people of all backgrounds working together to stop the system that is destroying the planet

But it’s easy to scream about two man hate groups rather than stop voting for and supporting neoliberal candidates and ideas.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Kowani is a fake leftist? Really now, you were the guy who not so long ago was complaining about how there were too many immigrants in Greece and you couldn't go there on vacation anymore as a result. You of anyone here shouldn't be accusing people of being a fake leftist. Kowani is one of the most real leftists on this site, and even though I often disagree with him on the means to bring about a socialist world, he is as real a leftist as every other ancom, syndicalist, democratic confederalist and green party member on this site.

Keep on fucking lying lol it’s the neoliberal way after all

That's rich coming from a guy to the right of everyone here except Sai. I'm a neoliberal? Buddy is neoliberalism just everything you don't like? So Kowani is a fake leftist and I'm a neoliberal.

If anything, I question your alleged leftism, considering you have a history of using some very right wing talking points.

[Mannixa Prime]

I didn’t say that, your such a fucking liar

I said I worry about areas with high numbers of Abrahamic residents yet I have traveled outside of America lots before covid

I clearly remember you saying you hated how you couldn't go on vacation to Greece anymore due to the refugees there, because it "didn't feel safe."

Lmfao

[Atheris]

except, you know, the existence of racism as a dividing tool to keep the underclass from rising up is well-documented in leftist thought going back over a century
how do you not know this lmao

Racism and tribalism are part of human nature, you can’t social engineer your way out of those facts.

Greed and classism motivate capitalism not race. Neoliberals like to say otherwise to prevent people of all backgrounds working together to stop the system that is destroying the planet

But it’s easy to scream about two man hate groups rather than stop voting for and supporting neoliberal candidates and ideas.

1. what

2. yes

3. do you remember unite the right or

[Cartheen]

Can we get the mods in here to lock the thread? It's just devolved into passive-aggressive name calling at this point.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

except, you know, the existence of racism as a dividing tool to keep the underclass from rising up is well-documented in leftist thought going back over a century
how do you not know this lmao

Racism and tribalism are part of human nature, you can’t social engineer your way out of those facts.

Greed and classism motivate capitalism not race. Neoliberals like to say otherwise to prevent people of all backgrounds working together to stop the system that is destroying the planet

And you contradict yourself.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Kowani is a fake leftist? Really now, you were the guy who not so long ago was complaining about how there were too many immigrants in Greece and you couldn't go there on vacation anymore as a result. You of anyone here shouldn't be accusing people of being a fake leftist. Kowani is one of the most real leftists on this site, and even though I often disagree with him on the means to bring about a socialist world, he is as real a leftist as every other ancom, syndicalist, democratic confederalist and green party member on this site.

Keep on fucking lying lol it’s the neoliberal way after all

Everyone I Don't Like is a Neoliberal - Mannixa Prime's Guide to Online Debate

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I’m an American first and foremost, America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way. Therefore, it would make little sense for any sort of American nationalist to adopt a racialist worldview, since it ignores the core founding identity of the American nation, versus, say, European nationstates

Race and ethnicity aren't the same thing.

Race is a nonexistent social construct, ethnicity on the other hand is a real thing, the French are French, Germans are German, Swedes are Swedish, and these are the foundations of a nationstate. America, at its foundation, did not have any such ethnicity linked to it, which is why American nationalism is incompatible with ethnic nationalism by default

[Mannixa Prime]

Racism and tribalism are part of human nature, you can’t social engineer your way out of those facts.

Greed and classism motivate capitalism not race. Neoliberals like to say otherwise to prevent people of all backgrounds working together to stop the system that is destroying the planet

But it’s easy to scream about two man hate groups rather than stop voting for and supporting neoliberal candidates and ideas.

1. what

2. yes

3. do you remember unite the right or

Yes I remember less than a thousand people getting their asses kicked by cops. A thousand people out of three hundred million people. Wow as a young black man I’m so terrified

[Mannixa Prime]

Racism and tribalism are part of human nature, you can’t social engineer your way out of those facts.

Greed and classism motivate capitalism not race. Neoliberals like to say otherwise to prevent people of all backgrounds working together to stop the system that is destroying the planet

And you contradict yourself.

And you have no point by lying

[Alcala-Cordel]

I didn’t say that, your such a fucking liar

I said I worry about areas with high numbers of Abrahamic residents yet I have traveled outside of America lots before covid

I clearly remember you saying you hated how you couldn't go on vacation to Greece anymore due to the refugees there, because it "didn't feel safe."

I like how self described compassionate “leftist” are fine with neo liberal corporate pressure and sanctions on Greece because they don’t want criminals fleeing a conflict created by said neo liberals.

Greece is extremely poor and has bigger issues than dealing with yet another huge national security threat.

Nothing will happen to Greece if they refuse because the people don’t want the invasion either.

Again you’re using extremists to justify leaving people to their deaths. No one should die, regardless of their religious views. If they did nothing wrong and just want to live, then what justifies abandoning them at sea? I thought trump’s abhorrent detention camps at the border were bad, but what Greece is doing is much much worse. The funny thing is that the government who left the refugees at sea is extremely socially conservative so I don’t understand why you are siding with their actions.

Again I can vacation in Greece and be gay and not have to look over my shoulder.


I can’t do that in the Middle East

[Senkaku]

America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way.

This is a myth that the WASPs have tried sooooo hard to convince everyone of, but it simply isn't the case. Black and Indigenous people were treated as an underclass/alien other since the literal inception of the Anglo-American state, and although some immigrant groups have been assimilated into whiteness and American culture has been influenced by groups that haven't assimilated into whiteness, ethnic WASPs have essentially created a multi-ethnic empire with a color-based hierarchical caste system, and have allied with or co-opted some groups while subjugating others. Suggesting that a country whose entire economy was initially founded on race-based chattel slavery and whose realization of great power status was enabled by its subjugation of other ethnic groups (in the American West, in the Caribbean, in E. Asia) has been "assimilationist and colorblind since its founding" is possibly the most batshit thing I've read in my life.

[Atheris]

1. what

2. yes

3. do you remember unite the right or

Yes I remember less than a thousand people getting their asses kicked by cops. A thousand people out of three hundred million people. Wow as a young black man I’m so terrified

those same "less than a thousand people" ran over people with a car and tried to perform a coup on the us government

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

America, in its national identity itself since its founding has assimilationist and colorblindness, not ethnic nationalism in any way.

This is a myth that the WASPs have tried sooooo hard to convince everyone of, but it simply isn't the case. Black and Indigenous people were treated as an underclass/alien other since the literal inception of the Anglo-American state, and although some immigrant groups have been assimilated into whiteness and American culture has been influenced by groups that haven't assimilated into whiteness, ethnic WASPs have essentially created a multi-ethnic empire with a color-based hierarchical caste system, and have allied with or co-opted some groups while subjugating others. Suggesting that a country whose entire economy was initially founded on race-based chattel slavery and whose realization of great power status was enabled by its subjugation of other ethnic groups (in the American West, in the Caribbean, in E. Asia) has been "assimilationist and colorblind since its founding" is possibly the most batshit thing I've read in my life.

To be fair, Japan had it coming.

[Kowani]

except, you know, the existence of racism as a dividing tool to keep the underclass from rising up is well-documented in leftist thought going back over a century
how do you not know this lmao

Racism

no

and tribalism are part of human nature,

yes, but no
it's much more complex than you want to make it sound

you can’t social engineer your way out of those facts.

i mean
we can reduce racism through social engineering
it's not hard, given the right circumstances

Greed and classism motivate capitalism not race.

race exists as a tool which facilitates the workings of capitalism, however, by creating an out-group and, by doing so, engendering complacency by securing a position at the top of the Pyramid-or by reducing connectionfor those trapped in exploitative circumstances

Neoliberals like to say otherwise to prevent people of all backgrounds working together to stop the system that is destroying the planet

do you know what neoliberalism means

But it’s easy to scream about two man hate groups rather than stop voting for and supporting neoliberal candidates and ideas.

...i voted for howie hawkins