White Supremacy discussion thread

[Atheris]

If White people are so great why does our food suck, I am excluding hispanic and lebanese people from this generalisation though.

What the fuck are you talking about? Chick-fil-A is the best chicken place this side of God's green Earth.

[Vorausen]

Would you consider a private website banning someone for their views political censorship?

I would and do.

Keyword private. What if a protestor went into your house and started sharing their views? How would you feel? Well it is your property and it is privately owned so you have every right to kick them out. Unless of course, you live in complete anarchy. The point is unless you own the website or it is publicly owned, privately owned websites can kick you out whenever. Whether or not this is moral is a different question.

[Cartheen]

“There’s nothing wrong with using dehumanizing rhetoric and advocating violence bro”
“This has no consequences whatsoever!”

Fucking lol

did you even read my argument? the part where I say "I don't see anything wrong with them being allowed to believe or express these ideas so long as they do not harass and threaten violence against people or groups they dislike". Why are you saying that I have no problem with these people advocating for violence when I quite literally just said I do?

[Greater Miami Shores]

It’s not evidence, it’s merely just opinions.

Classic!

Who has gets to decide what evidence and opinions are, those who strongly agree with us or those who strongly disagree with us?

[Senkaku]

I would and do.

Keyword private. What if a protestor went into your house and started sharing their views? How would you feel? Well it is your property and it is privately owned so you have every right to kick them out. Unless of course, you live in complete anarchy. The point is unless you own the website or it is publicly owned, privately owned websites can kick you out whenever. Whether or not this is moral is a different question.

What is the point of this little digression? I'm glad you have some grasp of the distinction between the public and private sectors, I guess.

[Atheris]

Classic!

Who has gets to decide what evidence and opinions are, those who strongly agree with us or those who strongly disagree with us?

The dictionary.

[Cartheen]

this is a blatant strawman of my argument.

Harassment is an aggressive attempt to irritate or inconvenience someone. "I don't like [group]/[group] is inferior" is not harassment, "HEY YOU'RE PART OF [GROUP] KILL YOURSELF!" is.

They're saying "HEY YOU'RE PART OF [GROUP] I'LL KILL YOU!"

Some people are, yes, so only silence those who threaten that instead of all of them.

[The New California Republic]

Chick-fil-A is the best chicken place this side of God's green Earth.

They got punted out of the UK.

[Vorausen]

Keyword private. What if a protestor went into your house and started sharing their views? How would you feel? Well it is your property and it is privately owned so you have every right to kick them out. Unless of course, you live in complete anarchy. The point is unless you own the website or it is publicly owned, privately owned websites can kick you out whenever. Whether or not this is moral is a different question.

What is the point of this little digression? I'm glad you have some grasp of the distinction between the public and private sectors, I guess.

Apparently, some people here think that public speech laws apply to privately owned websites. It is an explanation and clafircation.

[Atheris]

Chick-fil-A is the best chicken place this side of God's green Earth.

They got punted out of the UK.

That's okay, the UK doesn't exist.

[Senkaku]

“There’s nothing wrong with using dehumanizing rhetoric and advocating violence bro”
“This has no consequences whatsoever!”

Fucking lol

did you even read my argument? the part where I say "I don't see anything wrong with them being allowed to believe or express these ideas so long as they do not harass and threaten violence against people or groups they dislike". Why are you saying that I have no problem with these people advocating for violence when I quite literally just said I do?

The entire concept of their ideology is premised on advocating for ethnic cleansing and eugenics. You cannot "just" believe in white supremacy; if you subscribe to an ideology you subscribe to the beliefs that logically follow from it (and which have been articulated explicitly and at great length by many of its thought leaders throughout history).

[Islamic Holy Sites]

“There’s nothing wrong with using dehumanizing rhetoric and advocating violence bro”
“This has no consequences whatsoever!”

Fucking lol

did you even read my argument? the part where I say "I don't see anything wrong with them being allowed to believe or express these ideas so long as they do not harass and threaten violence against people or groups they dislike". Why are you saying that I have no problem with these people advocating for violence when I quite literally just said I do?

Well I replied to you but I guess you didn't see him

[Ladinacem Andia]

Chick-fil-A is the best chicken place this side of God's green Earth.

They got punted out of the UK.

Unfortunate for the UK. They might have screwed up beliefs, but their chicken is incredible.

[Kowani]

“There’s nothing wrong with using dehumanizing rhetoric and advocating violence bro”
“This has no consequences whatsoever!”

Fucking lol

did you even read my argument? the part where I say "I don't see anything wrong with them being allowed to believe or express these ideas so long as they do not harass and threaten violence against people or groups they dislike". Why are you saying that I have no problem with these people advocating for violence when I quite literally just said I do?

There is a legal distinction between advocating and threatening violence
A person who says “kill all Mexicans” is advocating
A person who says “I am going to kill all Mexicans” is threatening
These are not the same thing
That you are unaware of that is not my fault

[Countesia]

If White people are so great why does our food suck, I am excluding hispanic and lebanese people from this generalisation though.

What the fuck are you talking about? Chick-fil-A is the best chicken place this side of God's green Earth.

Ah yes, the blandest meat with absolutely zero seasoning with fried potatoes.

[Atheris]

What the fuck are you talking about? Chick-fil-A is the best chicken place this side of God's green Earth.

Ah yes, the blandest meat with absolutely zero seasoning with fried potatoes.

I see you've never had Chick-fil-A.

[Senkaku]

What is the point of this little digression? I'm glad you have some grasp of the distinction between the public and private sectors, I guess.

Apparently, some people here think that public speech laws apply to privately owned websites. It is an explanation and clafircation.

Why do you think there should be such a distinction? If speech is so abhorrent that private citizens don't want to associate with it or further its spread in their own lives, why shouldn't they come together as a self-governing collective to agree on banning its public expression? Why would it be "more" wrong for the state to join in the fun? Again: this is something plenty of Western democracies already do without being much worse for wear.

[Ladinacem Andia]

What is the point of this little digression? I'm glad you have some grasp of the distinction between the public and private sectors, I guess.

Apparently, some people here think that public speech laws apply to privately owned websites. It is an explanation and clafircation.

They do when said websites encourage active violence against an entire race, as that presents a clear and present danger to the public. I am all for free speech, and hearing opinions you disagree with, but if you are threatening genocide, your website is shouting fire in a movie theatre.

[Western Theram]

Leaving race out of your analysis of capitalism seems like a preeeeetty major analytical weak point? Particularly in the US and the Americas?

It may be a weak point if your living in another reality

Capitalism and Third Postionist ideologies are like oil and water

America has a classist problem not a racist problem

"third positionism" lmao

"Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."

fascism is literally just right-wing state capitalism

[Dumb Ideologies]

I understand very well how it happens. People who are just about scraping by in life get very poorly phrased messages about white privilege which sound absurd to their circumstances. Those who find themselves in marginal economic positions are also often quite susceptible to stories that boil down the complex operations of capitalism to "x group bad". And, frankly, people generally prefer to socialise with people like themselves (you can see this in how immigrants choose, when allowed to do so to form enclaves when joining a society in any large numbers).

People who feel their "tribe" is being constantly denigrated, who have concern about outsiders potentially worsening their fragile economic position, and people who find their neighbourhoods rapidly changing - its not difficult to see how someone like this might be be receptive to the lighter messages and then led down a rabbit hole.

It is a political dead end - for all the psuedo anticapitalist talk you occasionally hear, in practice you usually get little more than one section of the elite being advantaged at the expense of another. And demographic change is underpinned by dynamics in the birth rate and the inherent need under a capitalist system to always search for higher economic growth. But it often feels as though there is no other political home and that the concerns are not able to be articulated through the mainstream which is constantly trying to reinforce a crumbling political centre ground. We should not expect people's feelings to wither away if there is not a respectable party talking about them.

It's a bit of a catch 22 - until a socialist form of government becomes politically feasible it is difficult to make much of a counter-offer, but the loss of such people is a major factor to the left not making enough progress to be able to represent an alternative of real people rather than the same intellectuals often making the politically unwise statements that are alienating people in the first place. My approach is that I bash my head repeatedly against the wall until I stop thinking about politics.

I understand it to a degree, but it isn't a road that goes anywhere and the existence of such movements is one factor inhibiting a better road coming into being. You can build all the bridges in the world but when there's ideological and practical blocks to reaching the other side you're just building to nowhere.

[San Lumen]

Imagine unironically believing in that kind of fucking nonsense like honestly.

It's not nonsense if I can see it happening in front of my own eyes. It is just proving my point if the global population or my country for that matter, changes drastically and irreversibly over the 70 years or so between the year of my birth and death.

I'm not seeing China become less Chinese or India becoming less Indian and so on. I'm only seeing majority White countries getting more ruined from my perspective via becoming more diverse.

again who cares? Being white is nothing special. Do you have a problem with Harris being Vice President or any non white person in elected office?

[Vorausen]

Apparently, some people here think that public speech laws apply to privately owned websites. It is an explanation and clafircation.

Why do you think there should be such a distinction? If speech is so abhorrent that private citizens don't want to associate with it or further its spread in their own lives, why shouldn't they come together as a self-governing collective to agree on banning its public expression? Why would it be "more" wrong for the state to join in the fun? Again: this is something plenty of Western democracies already do without being much worse for wear.

"Cancel culture" and banning someone off a social media site are two different things. Like I said Private, they own the website they make the rules. *

(*of course obvious things apply)

[Countesia]

Ah yes, the blandest meat with absolutely zero seasoning with fried potatoes.

I see you've never had Chick-fil-A.

In Orlando, 2018. I, a mere tourist from the UK, went in to see if it they tasted good enough to throw around that homophobic BS

It didn't

Wendys absolutely slapped though. Their honey mustard was ORGASMIC

Also a lot of creole seafood vendors in Key West that i never expected to see there. I thought it was a Louisana thing. DE - VINE.

[The Reformed American Republic]

fascism is literally just right-wing state capitalism

It can be, but it is not inherently capitalist.

[Cartheen]

did you even read my argument? the part where I say "I don't see anything wrong with them being allowed to believe or express these ideas so long as they do not harass and threaten violence against people or groups they dislike". Why are you saying that I have no problem with these people advocating for violence when I quite literally just said I do?

The entire concept of their ideology is premised on advocating for ethnic cleansing and eugenics. You cannot "just" believe in white supremacy; if you subscribe to an ideology you subscribe to the beliefs that logically follow from it (and which have been articulated explicitly and at great length by many of its thought leaders throughout history).

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There are numerous racists and nazis who do not act on their beliefs. You're making the false assumption that believing x should die = killing x.