White Supremacy discussion thread

[Cartheen]

"[group] is inferior" is hate speech but not harassment. Harassment is defined as aggressive pressure or intimidation. Saying you hate a group or insulting them is not harassment. Calling someone repeatedly to tell them to kill themselves, or to insult them, most definitely is.

All racial harassment is hate speech but not all hate speech is harassment.

They basically say 'Blacks are inferior and stupid who we will kill'. That certainly is harrassment, and the day I won't believe that is when hell freezes over.

How is this harassment? It's certainly hate speech, but who are they harassing? Unless they are repeatedly yelling this at someone, and continue when asked to stop, it's not harassment.

[Tsaivao]

Pro tip: the Nazis are not worth spending countless hours on, especially their schizophrenic trash heap of ideology and theory. Find something better to do with your time. I hear pottery is fun.


I've learned a lot of things without needing to care about Nazism.


You cannot co-exist with people who want to dispossess and murder you. Sorry. I know you want everyone to just get along despite their differences or whatever, but Mom and Dad aren't getting back together.

Never said you needed to care about nazism to learn anything. Instead, I said, "To learn anything you must care about the thing you are learning about".

Unless of course, I want to be ignorant and fall into the beliefs of these hate groups because I didn't know what they stood for and hey I kind of agree with them on some issues. And there I go down the rabbit hole.

Thats where you are wrong.

So force them to not be racist and if they don't accept "my help" let's imprison and punish them. Sounds logical

You're acting like by preventing white supremacists from being able to spread their views, that everyone will suddenly forget what white supremacy means.

That's not how that works. You can't simultaneously insist, as you have throughout this thread, that white supremacists are wrong and need to be taught to believe something else, while at the same time advocating that we should hear out their ideology. Do you believe they're evil or not? Because you flop back and forth between the two trying to play devil's advocate to fit whatever argument you want to make about them.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

It depends on what you mean. If you mean stopping people spewing ridiculous lies and hate speech, I'd be happy.

If they're not harassing anyone or threatening violence/organizing violence there is no fair reason to silence them.

Well, NEWS FLASH: They are harassing and threatening violence.

[Vorausen]

Never said you needed to care about nazism to learn anything. Instead, I said, "To learn anything you must care about the thing you are learning about".

Unless of course, I want to be ignorant and fall into the beliefs of these hate groups because I didn't know what they stood for and hey I kind of agree with them on some issues. And there I go down the rabbit hole.



So force them to not be racist and if they don't accept "my help" let's imprison and punish them. Sounds logical

You're acting like by preventing white supremacists from being able to spread their views, that everyone will suddenly forget what white supremacy means.

That's not how that works. You can't simultaneously insist, as you have throughout this thread, that white supremacists are wrong and need to be taught to believe something else, while at the same time advocating that we should hear out their ideology. Do you believe they're evil or not? Because you flop back and forth between the two trying to play devil's advocate to fit whatever argument you want to make about them.

First of all, I say while I would personally listen to a white supremacist speak without assuming there is this "evil Hitler-like person" I would kindly disagree with them (and I would also be very cautious), but respect them as a person. It is a balance between respecting someone's views while also maintaining your own.

[Cartheen]

They're not threatening anyone nor are they organizing to harm anyone. Yhey're just stating what they wished happen. "I wish" is not the same as "I'm going to" or "Let's plan to"

they DO plan to do everything they talk about just not all at once. while not all nazi rallies end in charlottesville those nazis had been PLANNING to do that for some time. they'v done it before and they'll do it again. what makes you think they'll stop?
strange that all these groups with ideas centered around violence end up committing the violence they talked about.

Following a hateful ideology or having hateful beliefs without actually harming someone is fine. Attempts to plan such violence should not be allowed. You're making the false assumption that everyone who has violent beliefs will eventually carry them out, which isn't true.

[Cartheen]

If they're not harassing anyone or threatening violence/organizing violence there is no fair reason to silence them.

Well, NEWS FLASH: They are harassing and threatening violence.

Which is why you only silence people who harass and threaten violence instead of silencing everyone with these beliefs.

[Mannixa Prime]

The spectre of “white supremacy”, fascism, and National Socialism only exist to distract progressives and leftists from the two issues that matter, climate change and wealth inequality.

People should be focusing on the evils of neoliberalism and capitalism ( not to mention Abrahamic cults) instead of 20th century ideologies that have no mainstream or institutional support.

[Tsaivao]

They basically say 'Blacks are inferior and stupid who we will kill'. That certainly is harrassment, and the day I won't believe that is when hell freezes over.

How is this harassment? It's certainly hate speech, but who are they harassing? Unless they are repeatedly yelling this at someone, and continue when asked to stop, it's not harassment.

I dunno, they could be harassing black people, as mentioned right there as the very first word of the sentence.

If I were to say, out of context, "I wish that Cartheen would kill himself," then would you consider that harassment? A mod would be on my ass in a heartbeat. (Note to aforementioned mod: This is purely demonstrational, I DO NOT actually want Cartheen, or anyone, to kill themselves)

I would argue that "Blacks should die" and "I wish that blacks would die" are on the same level, as both request the intent for blacks to die. I see absolutely no reason why those statements cannot both be considered harassment.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Everything these days is supposedly for "the sake of the children" and lets just say I'm sick of it. Children shouldn't be online anyways, unless they're using a device that is sufficiently locked down thats owned by their school or whatever. That tends to be the case now. For youths who do get complete online access and get left to their own devices, they inevitably get exposed to stuff they're not supposed to see legally, or do stuff like lie about their age to bypass the age gate various websites have and so on.

I've known about Nazism and what it stood for since I was 8. We should be teaching our children the dangers of such hateful groups, but not necessarily banning such content. If the child sees that content, that is then the parent's fault for not properly monitoring them. Parents have to take ownership and not blame it on people like me.

Agreed.

Also, I take back my previous comment, I misread. Sorry.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Sure they can have their say as long as they aren't trying to do things like motivate people to attack the capital.

Though listening to how sexy the SS uniform....does get old.....

We agree on this one.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Well, NEWS FLASH: They are harassing and threatening violence.

Which is why you only silence people who harass and threaten violence instead of silencing everyone with these beliefs.

Well, anyone with thee belief believe that non-whites are stupid, etc. so there really isn't any choice, we need to shut them all down.

[The New California Republic]

Never said you needed to care about nazism to learn anything. Instead, I said, "To learn anything you must care about the thing you are learning about".

And that's patently untrue. People learn all sorts of things each day that they do not care about in the least. Case in point: advertising. Folk may not give a shit about a certain product, but they learn that it exists and how much it costs etc, all without caring about it.

[Atheris]

The spectre of “white supremacy”, fascism, and National Socialism only exist to distract progressives and leftists from the two issues that matter, climate change and wealth inequality.

People should be focusing on the evils of neoliberalism and capitalism ( not to mention Abrahamic cults) instead of 20th century ideologies that have no mainstream or institutional support.

Poland and Hungary are becoming increasingly far-right, China is ruled by a genocidal fascist dictatorship, North Korea literally teaches its kids that Koreans are purer than every other race on earth, and the US's last president was a racist neoliberal who literally fucking pandered to actual fascists like Spencer and the people behind Unite the Right. Hell, the Republican party is replacing their corporate backers, the group you'd expect them to support, with racists. Like, actual racists.

Yeah, "no mainstream or institutional support" my ass.

[Diarcesia]

Me, a white person: Wait, "white" is capitalized?

A lot of far-right types started doing that as a reaction to some major news outlets changing their style guides to capitalize "Black," a decision I do not want to get into the history of right now. It's not generally capitalized outside of the style manual of the Daily Stormer.

I wrestled a bit on this idea when this happened, but I came to the conclusion that it made more sense for it to be capitalized for Blacks (as in the descendants of the slaves; their original cultural identity in Africa is forcibly erased by the slave owners and the slaves made their own with their skin tone the common factor) and not for whites (aside from the skin color, an ethnic French and German has different cultural identities).

[Salus Maior]

To bridge the gap between white supremacists and anti-white supremacists.

That is utterly impossible short of one completely giving up their position to the other.

This is all very naïve.

[The New California Republic]

To bridge the gap between white supremacists and anti-white supremacists.

That is utterly impossible short of one completely giving up their position to the other.

This is all very naïve.

Exactly. Both positions are mutually exclusive and cannot occupy the same space without one ceding to the other.

[Vorausen]

To bridge the gap between white supremacists and anti-white supremacists.

That is utterly impossible short of one completely giving up their position to the other.

This is all very naïve.

Keyword bridging the gap in the sense that we get one step closer to understanding each other, rather than solving all problems.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

That is utterly impossible short of one completely giving up their position to the other.

This is all very naïve.

Keyword bridging the gap in the sense that we get one step closer to understanding each other, rather than solving all problems.

How do we do that, exactly?

[The New California Republic]

That is utterly impossible short of one completely giving up their position to the other.

This is all very naïve.

Keyword bridging the gap in the sense that we get one step closer to understanding each other, rather than solving all problems.

How? How do you think that is achieved?

[Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes]

-Removed my own post because I guess my opinion is too controversial-

[Tsaivao]

That is utterly impossible short of one completely giving up their position to the other.

This is all very naïve.

Keyword bridging the gap in the sense that we get one step closer to understanding each other, rather than solving all problems.

Believe me, I understand what a white supremacist is. I don't need anyone with flowery promises and touting free speech to tell me otherwise. I want nothing to do with them.

[Western Theram]

The spectre of “white supremacy”, fascism, and National Socialism only exist to distract progressives and leftists from the two issues that matter, climate change and wealth inequality.

People should be focusing on the evils of neoliberalism and capitalism ( not to mention Abrahamic cults) instead of 20th century ideologies that have no mainstream or institutional support.

Poland and Hungary are becoming increasingly far-right, China is ruled by a genocidal fascist dictatorship, North Korea literally teaches its kids that Koreans are purer than every other race on earth, and the US's last president was a racist neoliberal who literally fucking pandered to actual fascists like Spencer and the people behind Unite the Right. Hell, the Republican party is replacing their corporate backers, the group you'd expect them to support, with racists. Like, actual racists.

Yeah, "no mainstream or institutional support" my ass.

i was gonna say something similar to this but you beat me to it lol well said

[Kowani]

That is utterly impossible short of one completely giving up their position to the other.

This is all very naïve.

Keyword bridging the gap in the sense that we get one step closer to understanding each other, rather than solving all problems.

What the fuck does “understanding white supremacists” mean
“I think you’re inhuman scum”
“Understandable, have a nice day”
???

[Nakena]

Then what is your solution, because from the looks of things you are saying and pointing out lots of problems with having a free and liberal country, with free speech.

You talking to the wrong one here lol

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Both. More respect for minorities, more money for Europe.

WARNING! CONTROVERSIAL OPINION!
Illegal immigrants should be sent back or there should at least be a limit on how many can enter. Once a year multiple immigrants could apply for studying or working (could move with families if allowed) in Europe and be accepted.
Europe is currently overrun by immigrants. I do not hate immigrants, but because there are so many, Europe has too many Ghettos.

They should at least temporarily care for them. They actually once started a slave trade by doing that.