White Supremacy discussion thread

[Cartheen]

They're not threatening to harm anyone, nor are they harassing someone

Bro, how is "I wish all black people were killed" not harassment or a threat of harm!?!

They're not threatening anyone nor are they organizing to harm anyone. Yhey're just stating what they wished happen. "I wish" is not the same as "I'm going to" or "Let's plan to"

[Vorausen]

They're not threatening to harm anyone, nor are they harassing someone

Are these ideas good? 'We want to kill all who aren't white.' That seems like a threat to me.

Actually, some white supremacists believe that while some races are lesser, they should instead keep to their own kind (still bad and I disagree with segregation, but like I said that is a falsehood. Although plenty of white supremacists do support the killing of others not of their race. But that's the most extreme of the extreme)

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Are these ideas good? 'We want to kill all who aren't white.' That seems like a threat to me.

Saying that you wish someone would die is definitely a threat, and even more definitely harassment.

Which is what they basically are saying.

[Ethel mermania]

They're not threatening to harm anyone, nor are they harassing someone

Are these ideas good? 'We want to kill all who aren't white.' That seems like a threat to me.

White people are icky,
Black people are icky,
Hispanic folks are icky,
Men are icky.

All express supremacy of the speaker, none are violent.

[Tsaivao]

the nazis literally executed university students for handing out anti-nazi pamphlets on campus. unless you think the student resistance to hitler or groups actively fighting fascists like Artditi Del Popolo were oppressive then no.

The difference in this scenario is that the students had no power. Comparing students who had literally no power to those who currently run the government is a false equivalence.

So... discussing white supremacy being bad is okay so long as white supremacists aren't in power? And this action is justified because the anti-supremacists aren't in power??

I'm just trying to fathom what opinion you even have regarding this. How does putting someone in charge of a nation change whether or not their ideology is good?

[Darle Barrroda]

"yes white supremacists should totally spread their views what could go wrong?" beer hall putsch of 1923,
Wilmington 1898, the holocaust, the us capitol riot, jim crow laws, battle of cable street, madison square garden 1939, greensboro massacre, tulsa massacre, 4,000+ lynchings... should i go on?

You forget that if a group gets silenced then they will become more hostile. it's like the "Punch a nazi" only leads to violence. speak with them, instead of punching them.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Are these ideas good? 'We want to kill all who aren't white.' That seems like a threat to me.

Actually, some white supremacists believe that while some races are lesser, they should instead keep to their own kind (still bad and I disagree with segregation, but like I said that is a falsehood. Although plenty of white supremacists do support the killing of others not of their race. But that's the most extreme of the extreme)

The key words are some vs plenty

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

"yes white supremacists should totally spread their views what could go wrong?" beer hall putsch of 1923,
Wilmington 1898, the holocaust, the us capitol riot, jim crow laws, battle of cable street, madison square garden 1939, greensboro massacre, tulsa massacre, 4,000+ lynchings... should i go on?

I do believe everyone has a right to say what they want, otherwise, wouldn’t we just become the oppressors?

And I don't think silencing them will make them go away.
They'll just go underground.

[Saiwania]

Imagine unironically believing in that kind of fucking nonsense like honestly.

It's not nonsense if I can see it happening in front of my own eyes. It is just proving my point if the global population or my country for that matter, changes drastically and irreversibly over the 70 years or so between the year of my birth and death.

I'm not seeing China become less Chinese or India becoming less Indian and so on. I'm only seeing majority White countries getting more ruined from my perspective via becoming more diverse.

[Vorausen]

I do believe everyone has a right to say what they want, otherwise, wouldn’t we just become the oppressors?

And I don't think silencing them will make them go away.
They'll just go underground.

And then they will become more extreme and their ideas will become more logical and make more sense.

Liberal values apply to everyone.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Imagine unironically believing in that kind of fucking nonsense like honestly.

It's not nonsense if I can see it happening in front of my own eyes. It is just proving my point if the global population or my country for that matter, changes drastically and irreversibly over the 70 years or so between the year of my birth and death.

I'm not seeing China become less Chinese or India becoming less Indian and so on. I'm only seeing majority White countries getting more ruined from my perspective via becoming more diverse.

Being more diverse makes them better.

[Tsaivao]

Imagine unironically believing in that kind of fucking nonsense like honestly.

It's not nonsense if I can see it happening in front of my own eyes. It is just proving my point if the global population or my country for that matter, changes drastically and irreversibly over the 70 years or so between the year of my birth and death.

I'm not seeing China become less Chinese or India becoming less Indian and so on. I'm only seeing majority White countries getting more ruined from my perspective via becoming more diverse.

That's because you don't live in China or India. They're getting increasingly large minority populations too.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

"yes white supremacists should totally spread their views what could go wrong?" beer hall putsch of 1923,
Wilmington 1898, the holocaust, the us capitol riot, jim crow laws, battle of cable street, madison square garden 1939, greensboro massacre, tulsa massacre, 4,000+ lynchings... should i go on?

You forget that if a group gets silenced then they will become more hostile. it's like the "Punch a nazi" only leads to violence. speak with them, instead of punching them.

So, speaking with someone who wants to kill me. Great idea.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

I do believe everyone has a right to say what they want, otherwise, wouldn’t we just become the oppressors?

And I don't think silencing them will make them go away.
They'll just go underground.

True, silencing people will only stop us from knowing who the bad guys are, which is the opposite of an advantage.

[New yugoslavaia]

It's not nonsense if I can see it happening in front of my own eyes. It is just proving my point if the global population or my country for that matter, changes drastically and irreversibly over the 70 years or so between the year of my birth and death.

I'm not seeing China become less Chinese or India becoming less Indian and so on. I'm only seeing majority White countries getting more ruined from my perspective via becoming more diverse.

That's because you don't live in China or India. They're getting increasingly large minority populations too.

I was just thinking the same thing.

[Drew Durrnil]

Bro, how is "I wish all black people were killed" not harassment or a threat of harm!?!

They're not threatening anyone nor are they organizing to harm anyone. Yhey're just stating what they wished happen. "I wish" is not the same as "I'm going to" or "Let's plan to"

it's still hate speech and it's still threatening

[Gawdzendia]

It's not nonsense if I can see it happening in front of my own eyes. It is just proving my point if the global population or my country for that matter, changes drastically and irreversibly over the 70 years or so between the year of my birth and death.

I'm not seeing China become less Chinese or India becoming less Indian and so on. I'm only seeing majority White countries getting more ruined from my perspective via becoming more diverse.

Being more diverse makes them better.

Better for who?

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

And I don't think silencing them will make them go away.
They'll just go underground.

And then they will become more extreme and their ideas will become more logical and make more sense.

Liberal values apply to everyone.

If they are silenced by everyone, and can only meet in secret, then they can only be influenced by other white supremacists, meaning that they will become even more racist.

[Tsaivao]

Bro, how is "I wish all black people were killed" not harassment or a threat of harm!?!

They're not threatening anyone nor are they organizing to harm anyone. Yhey're just stating what they wished happen. "I wish" is not the same as "I'm going to" or "Let's plan to"

The phrase "I wish someone would kill you" is considered harassment. It doesn't matter whether it's in the indicative mood or conditional mood.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Being more diverse makes them better.

Better for who?

Both. More respect for minorities, more money for Europe.

[Vorausen]

They're not threatening anyone nor are they organizing to harm anyone. Yhey're just stating what they wished happen. "I wish" is not the same as "I'm going to" or "Let's plan to"

it's still hate speech and it's still threatening

So your logic is if that particular group has a history of violence and hate, that group should be stopped from trying to express their views in fear of more hate and violence?

[Islamic Holy Sites]

it's still hate speech and it's still threatening

So your logic is if that particular group has a history of violence and hate, that group should be stopped from trying to express their views in fear of more hate and violence?

Um, yes, maybe?

[Senkaku]

On my personal quest to learn more about the beautiful world we live on, I have come across so many interesting people, from Communists to Liberal socialists, democratic centrists, nationalists, fascists, and liberals. But a group of people that I have failed to have seen is a white supremacist. That was until today.

Welcome to the world, I guess. Do you want a sticker for your discovery? Do you need to sit down from the shock? Surely you must've known they existed, at least...

So that got me thinking, I am not someone that knows the full ideology and beliefs of white supremacy (I’m more well knowledgeable on the KKK) and I believe we should listen to everybody idea’s no matter how much we hate them or despise them.

Listening =/= giving them platforms.

So the purpose of this thread is to do the following

Discuss issues pertaining to White supremacy and White nationalism

Gain a full and whole idea of what white supremacy is and what it isn't

Do you think an NSG thread is the best way to do these things? This seems like an investigative journey you could've gone on by yourself if you're so curious about it.

To bridge the gap between white supremacists and anti-white supremacists

...

To have civil debates and conservations on the values and tenets of White supremacy (and why or why not you believe it is flawed)

Why does the world need more of this?

To get things straight I am no white supremacist myself, I am rather a person interested in hearing in what they have to say.

"I'm not a cannibal, I'm just interested in hearing their advice about wine pairings."

I believe everybody regardless of how hateful I think their views may be, must be able to voice their opinion without harsh backlash.

Why?

That being said, I know how fast things can get out of hand these days, so make sure to keep it civil, and follow NS rules.

Why did you inflict this on us? You do understand kids come on this forum, right? You thought it'd be a bright idea to send up a flare to every far-right poster on the site saying "hey, come post as many racist screeds and innuendos as you want"? Now we're going to have 14-year-olds Googling shit they don't understand, having algorithms push them onto much scarier websites than this one, and going down the right-wing rabbit hole. Nice job.

[Vorausen]

And then they will become more extreme and their ideas will become more logical and make more sense.

Liberal values apply to everyone.

If they are silenced by everyone, and can only meet in secret, then they can only be influenced by other white supremacists, meaning that they will become even more racist.

Exactly, and plus it will make them a victim and you would hear things like "I disagree with their views however they being unfairly silenced so let's help them" causing the ideas to have in turn more validity to the general public.

[Tsaivao]

it's still hate speech and it's still threatening

So your logic is if that particular group has a history of violence and hate, that group should be stopped from trying to express their views in fear of more hate and violence?

To clarify, yes. We believe they should be stopped from trying to express their views because they are still inciting more hate and violence.

There is nothing insightful you can learn from white supremacy other than the mental gymnastics one can acquire to justify an objectively terrible ideology.