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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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No
484
37%
Depends
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21%
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Saiwania
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:52 am

I would say it is a valid point that most if not all currently majority White countries, are under attack by sustained mass migration from majority non-White countries. Hence, it is a threat to the White race continuing to exist as majorities in their respective nations. Most here gaslight about it not being a problem, but I happen to take it seriously. I view it as a trend to stop if not reverse.
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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:52 am

Tsaivao wrote:
Vorausen wrote:
Have you actually had a conversation (an argument doesn't count)with a white supremacist before? If you ever did research on the Nazis, white extremist groups, or anything? It is indoctrination taught from generation to generation. It is nothing with the actual person. They are just as equally human as you, they are just misled and misdirected.

So it's okay for them to exercise their indoctrinated beliefs to mislead and misdirect others into considering that other people are literally sub-human? You want to simultaneously advocate for "changing their mind" while also trying to insist that they have merit and that they're the victims. White supremacists are not the victims of white supremacy, they are the perpetrators. If you want to stop white supremacy, you deny it the opportunity to have any common ground. Don't legitimize their beliefs, don't paint them as helpless victims.


I do not support the indoctrination of people. Obsoiuvily if they are advocating for the murder of a group of people that should be allowed. However, if we eliminate one group from being able to express their views, others will follow. I'm not saying all hate groups are "just people who were born into this", rather it's a mixture of people who chose to be there and people who were made to believe that they should be there. Full democracy is letting everyone speak (and us having the ability to say, "I don't have to agree nor give what you say a chance.")

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:53 am

Sure they can have their say as long as they aren't trying to do things like motivate people to attack the capital.

Though listening to how sexy the SS uniform....does get old.....
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:54 am

Saiwania wrote:I would say it is a valid point that most if not all currently majority White countries, are under attack by sustained mass migration from majority non-White countries. Hence, it is a threat to the White race continuing to exist as majorities in their respective nations. Most here gaslight about it not being a problem, but I happen to take it seriously. I view it as a trend to stop if not reverse.


Which is why you and your comrades in the defense of the white man can't even agree who is and isn't on your team. Sai, white people don't exist. There is no scientific basis for the existence of a white race. You're just a man with beige skin, no more and no less.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:55 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Sure they can have their say as long as they aren't trying to do things like motivate people to attack the capital.

Though listening to how sexy the SS uniform....does get old.....


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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:56 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I would say it is a valid point that most if not all currently majority White countries, are under attack by sustained mass migration from majority non-White countries. Hence, it is a threat to the White race continuing to exist as majorities in their respective nations. Most here gaslight about it not being a problem, but I happen to take it seriously. I view it as a trend to stop if not reverse.


Which is why you and your comrades in the defense of the white man can't even agree who is and isn't on your team. Sai, white people don't exist. There is no scientific basis for the existence of a white race. You're just a man with beige skin, no more and no less.



That I agree with, really the whole idea of race is starting to become less and less legit as more and more people have children with other races. Eventually, I think white supremacists groups won't be eliminated but rather made less common and less legit( hate will still be present, possibly even more present, but in a new way)

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Tsaivao
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Postby Tsaivao » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:56 am

Vorausen wrote: Full democracy is letting everyone speak (and us having the ability to say, "I don't have to agree nor give what you say a chance.")

So you agree with me. Thanks, glad we had this conversation!

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Tsaivao wrote:This image is my viewpoint, pretty much.


I think the Islam bit is quite offensive, but if we keep it non-Islamophope then I agree.

It's directly referencing the Islamic State but I can see the confusion. It's meant to target militant islamist groups, not necessarily all of islam
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:57 am

Saiwania wrote:I would say it is a valid point that most if not all currently majority White countries, are under attack by sustained mass migration from majority non-White countries. Hence, it is a threat to the White race continuing to exist as majorities in their respective nations. Most here gaslight about it not being a problem, but I happen to take it seriously. I view it as a trend to stop if not reverse.

It isn’t a problem. Skin color doesn’t matter at all. Being white doesn’t make you special.

I take it you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or any city that has a non white mayor or state with someone non white in statewide office?

Race has no basis in science. Skin color has a lot to do with the height and intensity of the sun due to the curvature of the Earth.
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Postby 2nd Austria-Hungary » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:58 am

I can already see this becomeing a Online crusade

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Islamic Holy Sites
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:59 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:I think the Islam bit is quite offensive, but if we keep it non-Islamophope then I agree.


I think it's referring to Islamism. It's okay to worship Allah, but it isnt okay when you think it gives you a right to fuck with other people.

It says 'Islam' there. If they're meaning Islamism, they're not expressing it well.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:00 am

Tsaivao wrote:
Vorausen wrote: Full democracy is letting everyone speak (and us having the ability to say, "I don't have to agree nor give what you say a chance.")

So you agree with me. Thanks, glad we had this conversation!

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:I think the Islam bit is quite offensive, but if we keep it non-Islamophope then I agree.

It's directly referencing the Islamic State but I can see the confusion. It's meant to target militant islamist groups, not necessarily all of islam

I think the Nazi one is better, it doesn't reference Islam in any way. Nor any other religion.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:01 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I think it's referring to Islamism. It's okay to worship Allah, but it isnt okay when you think it gives you a right to fuck with other people.

It says 'Islam' there. If they're meaning Islamism, they're not expressing it well.


I think the man saying "respect islam" is supposed to be an islamist and believes that Islam is his twisted version that supports things like burning people to death. The idea of the comic is that there's only so much you can tolerate before you gotta say enough is enough.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I would say it is a valid point that most if not all currently majority White countries, are under attack by sustained mass migration from majority non-White countries. Hence, it is a threat to the White race continuing to exist as majorities in their respective nations. Most here gaslight about it not being a problem, but I happen to take it seriously. I view it as a trend to stop if not reverse.

It isn’t a problem. Skin color doesn’t matter at all. I take it you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or any city that has a non white mayor or state with someone non white in statewide office?

Race has no basis in science. Skin color has a lot to do with the height and intensity of the sun due to the curvature of the Earth.


Don't even try. We've tried to convince them before.
They don't even believe in race realism. They just don't like the "great replacement" because it offends them on an aesthetic level.
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Tsaivao
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Postby Tsaivao » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:02 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I think it's referring to Islamism. It's okay to worship Allah, but it isnt okay when you think it gives you a right to fuck with other people.

It says 'Islam' there. If they're meaning Islamism, they're not expressing it well.

I mean I would have thought the black and white iconography with the iconic orange jumpsuits would have given it away somewhat. I didn't make the graphic though.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:03 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It isn’t a problem. Skin color doesn’t matter at all. I take it you have an issue with Harris being Vice President or any city that has a non white mayor or state with someone non white in statewide office?

Race has no basis in science. Skin color has a lot to do with the height and intensity of the sun due to the curvature of the Earth.


Don't even try. We've tried to convince them before.
They don't even believe in race realism. They just don't like the "great replacement" because it offends them on an aesthetic level.

Great replacement?

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Don't even try. We've tried to convince them before.
They don't even believe in race realism. They just don't like the "great replacement" because it offends them on an aesthetic level.

Great replacement?


He thinks there's a conspiracy to breed the white race out of existence by moving people of color into Europe and America.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:03 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:It says 'Islam' there. If they're meaning Islamism, they're not expressing it well.


I think the man saying "respect islam" is supposed to be an islamist and believes that Islam is his twisted version that supports things like burning people to death. The idea of the comic is that there's only so much you can tolerate before you gotta say enough is enough.

There is another Nazi version. I think that one has less confusion. Also, most say 'Respect my ideas' on them.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:04 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Sure they can have their say as long as they aren't trying to do things like motivate people to attack the capital.

Though listening to how sexy the SS uniform....does get old.....

Say what you will Hugo Boss makes a lovely and stylish leather trenchcoat.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:04 am

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Resilient Acceleration wrote:I mean, don't aim to 'prove them wrong' per se. I live in a country where 87% of citizens view LGBT as a 'threat' while 45% wants them to be either put to death or deported, so I quickly learned to be picky and strategic with my words. Admittedly, since the homophobia is almost entirely sourced from Islamic teachings currently taught and practiced in the country, it's not really too hard to collect counterarguments from moderate figures, cherrypick nice verses, and make a narrative that advances things in the right direction.

You have much more patience than I do, I'll definitely give you that.

Admittedly, it's not like these things will solve themselves with zero violence. The 'moderates' are a political juggernaut that has been opposed to the hardline Islamists since the last 100 years, and their (government sponsored) paramilitary thugs often raid radical Islamist events and intimidate the hardline clerics.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:04 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Sure they can have their say as long as they aren't trying to do things like motivate people to attack the capital.

Though listening to how sexy the SS uniform....does get old.....

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Postby Tsaivao » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:04 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Great replacement?


He thinks there's a conspiracy to breed the white race out of existence by moving people of color into Europe and America.

Based.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:04 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Great replacement?


He thinks there's a conspiracy to breed the white race out of existence by moving people of color into Europe and America.


And not that its happening due to inevitable factors brought on by globalisation.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:04 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Great replacement?


He thinks there's a conspiracy to breed the white race out of existence by moving people of color into Europe and America.

Ah ok. Any rational person knows such a notion is utter rubbish.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:06 am

I do think many anti-racists are hypocritical, but I do not buy into Sai's worldview or anything like that. Immigration is not an attempt at "white genocide" or anything like that, though I do think so called anti-racists do go way too far in their opposition to "whiteness."

I'm not a true "white supremacist" or anything like that though.
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Postby Tsaivao » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:06 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
He thinks there's a conspiracy to breed the white race out of existence by moving people of color into Europe and America.


And not that its happening due to inevitable factors brought on by globalisation.

Oh no, don't worry, they hate globalism too. They just hate anything different than them.
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
He thinks there's a conspiracy to breed the white race out of existence by moving people of color into Europe and America.

Ah ok. Any rational person knows such a notion is utter rubbish.

Unfortunately, it's very easy to disguise one's beliefs as rational if you just say it enough times...
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