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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:48 am

we should make every race equal in population so white supremacy doesn't happen
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:48 am

Vorausen wrote:
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Understanding someone and why the believe the things they do could indeed be useful for figuring out ways to peacefully change a persons opinion on a given topic, sure.



Exactly my point. Best thing you could do is not give them the time of day, which would deny them the platform of attention that any movement needs in order to gain any real momentum.



Funny, I don't remember said poster making that argument anywhere in their post. Perhaps you should re-read it?



A great example of someone who learned more about white supremacy in order to combat it was Daryl Davis, a black musician who made friends with the Grand wizard (and the grand wizard eventually left the KKK because of Daryl) I recommended that you watch his Ted Talk on how he approached the issue and shares a lot in common with me when it comes to learning about white supremacy


Interesting, I will have to take at least a curiosity look at the man later when I have the chance. Sounds like it could be an interesting story.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:49 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.


^ this. As long as there is no direct incitement
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:50 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
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I agree, although me being a curious person, I like to hear what they have to say. Like why do they believe this; what is their logic for it?


Understanding someone and why the believe the things they do could indeed be useful for figuring out ways to peacefully change a persons opinion on a given topic, sure.

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Exactly my point. Best thing you could do is not give them the time of day, which would deny them the platform of attention that any movement needs in order to gain any real momentum.

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Well, it may be interesting but that doesn't mean that hating on non-whites is good, whatever logic they don't have.


Funny, I don't remember said poster making that argument anywhere in their post. Perhaps you should re-read it?

I'm just pointing it out.
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Postby Xmara » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:50 am

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Drew Durrnil wrote:we should make every race equal in population so white supremacy doesn't happen

That would do nothing to combat white supremacy.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:51 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:we should make every race equal in population so white supremacy doesn't happen


So... you want to do what exactly, kill millions of innocent people so that everyone is equal population wise?

........

Yeah, let's not advocate for a genocide, Mmmkay?

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Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.


^ this. As long as there is no direct incitement


Agreed.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:51 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:we should make every race equal in population so white supremacy doesn't happen


So... you want to do what exactly, kill millions of innocent people so that everyone is equal population wise?

........

Yeah, let's not advocate for a genocide, Mmmkay?

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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:52 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:we should make every race equal in population so white supremacy doesn't happen

Or equal in treatment?
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Postby Nakena » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:53 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:we should make every race equal in population so white supremacy doesn't happen


So you want to replace "white" populations because you are afraid of the possibility of white supremacy?

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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:53 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
So... you want to do what exactly, kill millions of innocent people so that everyone is equal population wise?

........

Yeah, let's not advocate for a genocide, Mmmkay?

make minorities breed more


Or how about we settle our differences by listening to these people and to the root of the problem. Racism and white supremacy are taught, not something you are born with.

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Postby Arisyan » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:54 am

Huh, the thread made it past page 2. Im surprised. Since it'll stick around a bit longer, ill given my take.

You have no right to support taking away the freedom, life and rights of other people. White supremacy is literally murder, and allowing them to talk about it in a completely open sense is stupid. Same goes for other forms of race supremacy as well. You cannot give freedom of speech to people who support taking away the rights of others who are innocent.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:54 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
So... you want to do what exactly, kill millions of innocent people so that everyone is equal population wise?

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Yeah, let's not advocate for a genocide, Mmmkay?

make minorities breed more


Genocide is bad, but in your opinion breeding slaves are OK?

......

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:54 am

You can't have a civil discussion when one party's position is that anyone unlike them is inherently inferior.
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Postby Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:56 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
So... you want to do what exactly, kill millions of innocent people so that everyone is equal population wise?

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Yeah, let's not advocate for a genocide, Mmmkay?

make minorities breed more

Please no. This will lead to even more conflict and the white supremacists would gain power as more whites would join them.
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Postby Tsaivao » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:56 am

Vorausen wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:make minorities breed more


Or how about we settle our differences by listening to these people and to the root of the problem. Racism and white supremacy are taught, not something you are born with.

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You can't listen to them because they don't want to listen to you. If you do something as insane as insisting "the amount of melatonin in your skin doesn't determine the worth of your character" then they immediately close their ears. You HAVE to be close-minded to support white supremacy.

This thread's probably gonna be locked in like 5 seconds so get it all out while you can.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:57 am

Ifreann wrote:You can't have a civil discussion when one party's position is that anyone unlike them is inherently inferior.


Funny, that's a two way street your on, not a one way lane.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:57 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.

This. Good thing white supremacists are such a very minute subset.

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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:57 am

Arisyan wrote:Huh, the thread made it past page 2. Im surprised. Since it'll stick around a bit longer, ill given my take.

You have no right to support taking away the freedom, life and rights of other people. White supremacy is literally murder, and allowing them to talk about it in a completely open sense is stupid. Same goes for other forms of race supremacy as well. You cannot give freedom of speech to people who support taking away the rights of others who are innocent.



So when do we draw the line? For example, would you ban Black supremacy and nationalism? Because yes it is real. Do we now ban all people who support America from talking because America put Japanese people in camps, injected STDs into African Americans, and had made racist actions against minorities?

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:57 am

Arisyan wrote:Huh, the thread made it past page 2. Im surprised. Since it'll stick around a bit longer, ill given my take.

You have no right to support taking away the freedom, life and rights of other people. White supremacy is literally murder, and allowing them to talk about it in a completely open sense is stupid. Same goes for other forms of race supremacy as well. You cannot give freedom of speech to people who support taking away the rights of others who are innocent.

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:58 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:we should make every race equal in population so white supremacy doesn't happen

Or equal in treatment?

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Postby Nakena » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:58 am

Arisyan wrote:Huh, the thread made it past page 2. Im surprised. Since it'll stick around a bit longer, ill given my take.

You have no right to support taking away the freedom, life and rights of other people. White supremacy is literally murder, and allowing them to talk about it in a completely open sense is stupid. Same goes for other forms of race supremacy as well. You cannot give freedom of speech to people who support taking away the rights of others who are innocent.


That would apply to a number of other ideologies and some religions then too, if consequently applied.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:59 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You can't have a civil discussion when one party's position is that anyone unlike them is inherently inferior.


Funny, that's a two way street your on, not a one way lane.

Okay? I have no idea what you're trying to get at but I'm sure it's very clever.
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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:02 am

Tsaivao wrote:
Vorausen wrote:
Or how about we settle our differences by listening to these people and to the root of the problem. Racism and white supremacy are taught, not something you are born with.

#CentristMoment

You can't listen to them because they don't want to listen to you. If you do something as insane as insisting "the amount of melatonin in your skin doesn't determine the worth of your character" then they immediately close their ears. You HAVE to be close-minded to support white supremacy.

This thread's probably gonna be locked in like 5 seconds so get it all out while you can.


That logic is not gonna get you anywhere. The truth is most people won't listen to you, but it is still your utmost duty to respect them. Be the better and bigger person, because trust me, people can learn a lot from your actions and could break barriers and walls.

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