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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/politics/vice-president-female-senators-dinner/index.html

Harris invites all female senators for dinner at Naval Observatory amid infrastructure negotiations

Maybe they can discuss how they can meld feminism with blowing up black and brown women and kids. It's like a puzzle where if piece don't fit, you jump on the puzzle till you make them fit.

Feminism is a joke anyways, in all honesty.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Tbh why should there be a female only bike repair shop? I'm not cool with a male only bar, so the idea of a female only anything seems kinda...strange.

It's not a shop, it's a workshop where people learn to repair their bikes themselves. And since it seems some women fear it would be a male-heavy and somewhat toxic/harassing environment (no idea how valid that fear is), they made a few (not all of them) schedules women-only.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Maybe they can discuss how they can meld feminism with blowing up black and brown women and kids. It's like a puzzle where if piece don't fit, you jump on the puzzle till you make them fit.

Feminism is a joke anyways, in all honesty.

How so?

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:

Kilobugya wrote:
We had our government doing a sh*tstorm because of a local NGO organizing occasional "non-mixity" (female only) bike repair workshop was referenced on the city of Paris website. And you've your VP making a female-only dinner. Sometimes US politics is less insane than French politics. That tells a lot how low French politics sank

Tbh why should there be a female only bike repair shop? I'm not cool with a male only bar, so the idea of a female only anything seems kinda...strange.

It sounds like a team building exercise kind of thing. Get together with the other women in the office and learn about bike repair. Not a business that only serves women.

Picairn wrote:

Kowani wrote:There is actually a "march on manchin" planned for June 14

In my opinion, that is not enough. We need Progressive Era-level of mass protests and organized events from the middle class and the poor. Democracy is only as strong as the engagement of citizens in it.

Cute, no what you need is revolution.

Dresderstan wrote:

Picairn wrote:In my opinion, that is not enough. We need Progressive Era-level of mass protests and organized events from the middle class and the poor. Democracy is only as strong as the engagement of citizens in it.

Cute, no what you need is revolution.

You guys seem to be suggesting different levels of the same thing.

Dresderstan wrote:

Picairn wrote:In my opinion, that is not enough. We need Progressive Era-level of mass protests and organized events from the middle class and the poor. Democracy is only as strong as the engagement of citizens in it.

Cute, no what you need is revolution.

what do you want to occur in this revolution? There is something called elections. Violence will get you nowhere.

Dresderstan wrote:Cute, no what you need is revolution.

Has there been any major revolution in the US since 1789? I proposed a solution from historical examples.

San Lumen wrote:

Dresderstan wrote:Cute, no what you need is revolution.

what do you want to occur in this revolution? There is something called elections. Violence will get you nowhere.

Elections barely got a semi-sane person into the office of your head of state despite 4 years of complete misgovernment by a fool. And yet you still believe they will solve anything?

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... a-threats/

Elections workers are facing death threats thanks to Trump's undermining of the election and propagate the Big Lie.

San Lumen wrote:

Dresderstan wrote:Cute, no what you need is revolution.

what do you want to occur in this revolution? There is something called elections. Violence will get you nowhere.

False, elections have done nothing but let corrupt officials in and the rich fat cats line their own pockets while the rest of us struggle to barely get by. Peace is no longer an option.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
what do you want to occur in this revolution? There is something called elections. Violence will get you nowhere.

Elections barely got a semi-sane person into the office of your head of state despite 4 years of complete misgovernment by a fool. And yet you still believe they will solve anything?

With how things are headed soon enough you could get a 100% majority for any other party in a district and the GOP will find a way to appoint a lackey from their party to "represent" that district.

Dresderstan wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
what do you want to occur in this revolution? There is something called elections. Violence will get you nowhere.

False, elections have done nothing but let corrupt officials in and the rich fat cats line their own pockets while the rest of us struggle to barely get by. Peace is no longer an option.

What a massive generalization.

What do you propose happen? Why don't you start this revolution in your state capital?

San Lumen wrote:what do you want to occur in this revolution? There is something called elections. Violence will get you nowhere.

The problem is that elections are not enough. Gerrymandering. Senate where 50 GOP Senators represent 35% of the population, while 50 Dem Senators represent 65%. Electoral College. Voter suppression. Filibuster. Role of money in politics. And so many other issues, making the electoral process alone unable to deliver what the large majority of the population wants (like HR1, universal healthcare, bold infrastructure plan, tax hike for the rich and big corporations, more gun control, ...). So we need to do more than just voting. But I agree with you violence is not the solution, it very rarely is, and this is not one of those exceptional situations. Non-violent mass action, similar to Civil Rights protests, are a better solution, more ethical and more likely to have a positive effect.

San Lumen wrote:

Dresderstan wrote:False, elections have done nothing but let corrupt officials in and the rich fat cats line their own pockets while the rest of us struggle to barely get by. Peace is no longer an option.

What a massive generalization.

What do you propose happen? Why don't you start this revolution in your state capital?

One day you could end up saying that to the wrong person Lumen.

Kilobugya wrote:

San Lumen wrote:what do you want to occur in this revolution? There is something called elections. Violence will get you nowhere.

The problem is that elections are not enough. Gerrymandering. Senate where 50 GOP Senators represent 35% of the population, while 50 Dem Senators represent 65%. Electoral College. Voter suppression. Filibuster. Role of money in politics. And so many other issues, making the electoral process alone unable to deliver what the large majority of the population wants (like HR1, universal healthcare, bold infrastructure plan, tax hike for the rich and big corporations, more gun control, ...). So we need to do more than just voting. But I agree with you violence is not the solution, it very rarely is, and this is not one of those exceptional situations. Non-violent mass action, similar to Civil Rights protests, are a better solution, more ethical and more likely to have a positive effect.

Get rid of gerrymandering and the electoral college. All redistricting should be done by independent commission. Go back to a talking filibuster.

San Lumen wrote:

Kilobugya wrote:
The problem is that elections are not enough. Gerrymandering. Senate where 50 GOP Senators represent 35% of the population, while 50 Dem Senators represent 65%. Electoral College. Voter suppression. Filibuster. Role of money in politics. And so many other issues, making the electoral process alone unable to deliver what the large majority of the population wants (like HR1, universal healthcare, bold infrastructure plan, tax hike for the rich and big corporations, more gun control, ...). So we need to do more than just voting. But I agree with you violence is not the solution, it very rarely is, and this is not one of those exceptional situations. Non-violent mass action, similar to Civil Rights protests, are a better solution, more ethical and more likely to have a positive effect.

Get rid of gerrymandering and the electoral college. All redistricting should be done by independent commission. Go back to a talking filibuster.

Like it's that fucking easy, guess what it's not.

San Lumen wrote:Get rid of gerrymandering and the electoral college. All redistricting should be done by independent commission. Go back to a talking filibuster.

And what if you never get the majority in Congress required for those changes? What if half the Congress is determined to deny you what you want with any means legal and illegal at their hands?

San Lumen wrote:Get rid of gerrymandering and the electoral college. All redistricting should be done by independent commission. Go back to a talking filibuster.

I support all that. But how do you implement those reforms... before implementing those reforms ? This is a bootstrapping issue. You need to break the gridlock to break the gridlock. And that's why, among many other things, voting alone is not enough. We need to do more.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Get rid of gerrymandering and the electoral college. All redistricting should be done by independent commission. Go back to a talking filibuster.

And what if you never get the majority in Congress required for those changes? What if half the Congress is determined to deny you what you want with any means legal and illegal at their hands?

Redistricting is done at the state level. some thought we'd never get a majority for the Civil Rights Act or Voting Rights Act yet after the 1964 election we did.

San Lumen wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:And what if you never get the majority in Congress required for those changes? What if half the Congress is determined to deny you what you want with any means legal and illegal at their hands?

Redistricting is done at the state level. some thought we'd never get a majority for the Civil Rights Act or Voting Rights Act yet after the 1964 election we did.

You need 67%+ votes in the Congress and a significant majority of the states to get rid of the EC? How do you propose that happens? By politely attempting to "convince" your gaolers while you get hanged?
At some fucking point it's time to realise that Steiner's attack will not solve the shit hitting your fan SL.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Redistricting is done at the state level. some thought we'd never get a majority for the Civil Rights Act or Voting Rights Act yet after the 1964 election we did.

You need 67%+ votes in the Congress and a significant majority of the states to get rid of the EC? How do you propose that happens? By politely attempting to "convince" your gaolers while you get hanged?

The national popular vote compact.

San Lumen wrote:

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You need 67%+ votes in the Congress and a significant majority of the states to get rid of the EC? How do you propose that happens? By politely attempting to "convince" your gaolers while you get hanged?

The national popular vote compact.

And we're still waiting on that despite literal decades...
At some fucking point it's time to realise that Steiner's attack will not solve the shit hitting your fan SL.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You need 67%+ votes in the Congress and a significant majority of the states to get rid of the EC? How do you propose that happens? By politely attempting to "convince" your gaolers while you get hanged?

There is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that would allow to circumvent the EC without changing the Constitution. And getting states making 270 EV to sign it is possible in some future. But the EC isn't the worst of the things I listed.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
The national popular vote compact.

And we're still waiting on that despite literal decades...
At some fucking point it's time to realise that Steiner's attack will not solve the shit hitting your fan SL.

Change doesn't happen overnight.