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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:29 pm

Postauthoritarian America wrote:WaPo: 100 corporate leaders in conference call to discuss common response to GOP vote suppression efforts

More than 100 chief executives and corporate leaders gathered online Saturday to discuss taking new action to combat the controversial state voting bills being considered across the country, including the one recently signed into law in Georgia.

Executives from major airlines, retailers and manufacturers — plus at least one NFL owner — talked about potential ways to show they opposed the controversial legislation, including by halting donations to politicians who support the bills and even delaying investments in states that pass the restrictive measures, according to four people who were on the call, including one of the organizers, Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a Yale management professor.

While no final steps were agreed on, the meeting represents an aggressive dialing up of Corporate America’s advocacy against controversial voting measures nationwide, a sign that their opposition to the laws didn’t end with the fight against the measure passed last month in Georgia.

It also came just days after Minority Leader Mitch McConnell warned that firms should “stay out of politics” — echoing a view shared by many conservative politicians and setting up potential further conflicts between Republican leaders and the heads of some of America’s largest firms. Earlier this month, former president Trump called for conservatives to boycott Coca-Cola, Major League Baseball, Delta Air Lines, Citigroup, ViacomCBS, UPS, and other companies after they opposed a new law in Georgia that critics say will make it more difficult for poorer voters and voters of color to cast ballots. MLB decided to move its All-Star Game this summer from Georgia to Colorado because of the voting bill.

The online call between corporate executives on Saturday “shows they are not intimidated by the flack. They are not going to be cowed,” Sonnenfeld said. “They felt very strongly that these voting restrictions are based on a flawed premise and are dangerous.”

Leaders from dozens of companies such as Delta, American, United, Starbucks, Target, LinkedIn, Levi Strauss and Boston Consulting Group, along with Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank, were included on the weekend’s Zoom call, according to people who listened in. The meeting was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

The discussion was led at times by Kenneth Chenault, the former chief executive of American Express, and Kenneth Frazier, the chief executive of Merck, who told the executives that it was important to keep fighting what they viewed as discriminatory laws on voting. Chenault and Frazier coordinated a letter signed last month by 72 Black business executives that made a similar point — a letter that first drew attention to the voting bills in executive suites across the country.

The call’s goal was to unify companies that had been issuing a flurry of their own statements and signing onto drafted statements from different organizations in the wake of Georgia passing its voting ball, Sonnenfeld said. The leaders called in from around the country — some chimed in from Augusta, Ga., where they were attending the Masters golf tournament.

“There was a defiance of the threats that businesses should stay out of politics,” Sonnenfeld said. “They were obviously rejecting that even with their presence (on the call). But they were there out of concern about voting restrictions not being in the public interest.”

One Georgia-based executive talked about how the final version of Georgia’s legislation — which Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) has said actually expands voting access, a claim that many have challenged — was much worse than expected, and how that should serve as a warning to other chief executives as more states consider adopting their own voting bills, according to people on the call.

Mike Ward, vice president of the Civic Alliance, a nonpartisan group of businesses focused on voter engagement, said at the end of the Zoom call that he felt there was a broad consensus that company leaders plan to continue working against voting bills they feel are restrictive — “to lean into this, not lean away from this.”


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Considering that they didn't start applying pressure till after the law was passed, I expect corporate America to do little to fight voter ID laws.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:08 pm

Biden decides not to shut down the Dakota Access Pipeline

U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, who ordered the environmental impact assessment last year, held a hearing Friday afternoon so the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers could provide an update on whether the Biden administration planned to allow the pipeline known as DAPL to continue operating without a federal permit.

After Ben Schifman, an attorney for the government, shared that the Army Corps of Engineers would not shut down the pipeline at this time but "is essentially in a continuous process of evaluating," Boasberg granted the 10-day continuance. The D.C.-based judge is expected to decide whether he will order DAPL to shut down by April 19.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:23 pm

Kowani wrote:Biden decides not to shut down the Dakota Access Pipeline

U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, who ordered the environmental impact assessment last year, held a hearing Friday afternoon so the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers could provide an update on whether the Biden administration planned to allow the pipeline known as DAPL to continue operating without a federal permit.

After Ben Schifman, an attorney for the government, shared that the Army Corps of Engineers would not shut down the pipeline at this time but "is essentially in a continuous process of evaluating," Boasberg granted the 10-day continuance. The D.C.-based judge is expected to decide whether he will order DAPL to shut down by April 19.

Boooooooo...


Kind of wish I had something substantive but all I really have is 'booooo.....'
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:02 pm

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.nhpr.org/post/nh-house-passes-bill-limiting-governors-emergency-powers#stream/0

The New Hampshire House voted overwhelmingly Thursday to give lawmakers more say in future states of emergency.

Under the bill, governors would retain a free hand to declare a 30-day state of emergency. But the Legislature would have to approve any extension of those orders. If circumstances didn't allow lawmakers to meet, a governor's emergency acts would renew in 14 day increments until lawmakers could weigh in.

Governor Sununu said he will veto the bill if it passes the Senate but a veto override seems likely to succeed.

Tbh this is probably a reasonable restriction. We don’t want governors to have carte blanch to do whatever they want however long they want without legislative oversight.

I think so as well. There needs to be legislative oversight. We have executives not monarchs.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:01 pm

Morons plan White Lives Matter rallies nationwide, fail due to lack of attendence

n semi-private, encrypted chats, neo-Nazis and other far-right extremists planned rallies in dozens of cities Sunday to promote their racist movements and spread their ideologies to larger audiences.

Hyped by organizers as events that would make “the whole world tremble,” the rallies ran into a major problem: Hardly anyone showed up.

The “White Lives Matter” rallies, the first major real-world organizing efforts by white supremacists since 2018, were planned on the encrypted app Telegram after many aligned groups were alleged to have taken part in the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S Capitol.

The poor showing underscores how the country’s unpopular and disorganized extremist movements have been driven underground by increased scrutiny from the media, law enforcement agencies and far-left activists who infiltrate their private online spaces and disrupt their attempts to communicate and organize.

Few “White Lives Matter” marchers showed up Sunday, but anti-racist and anti-fascist groups gathered just the same.

In Raleigh, North Carolina, a small crowd of antifa and anti-racist protesters gathered at the park where the “White Lives Matter” march was planned. They marched around downtown behind a large white sign that read, “WE ACCEPT YOUR SURRENDER.”

The lackluster events were documented by livestreams and photos posted to Twitter.

In Philadelphia, activists tweeted photos of a counterprotest picnic with pizza and Tastykake snacks. In New York City, over a dozen counterprotesters stood seemingly unopposed across the street from Trump Tower, where a “White Lives Matter” rally was expected.

Police in downtown Albuquerque, New Mexico, formed a circle around a lone protester to separate him from a large crowd of counterprotesters. Three protesters assembled around a “White Lives Matter” banner outside City Hall in Fort Worth, Texas, where a police line separated them from a couple of dozen counterprotesters.

Hundreds of counterprotesters, bystanders and media members gathered at a counterprotest at the scheduled start time of a “White Lives Matter” march at Huntington Beach Pier southeast of Los Angeles.

Throughout the afternoon, counterprotesters could be seen on several livestreams chanting “Unity and community” and “Black lives matter.” A few single protesters, one of whom wore a full hood and a T-shirt with a white supremacist slogan, were run off by the crowd, who yelled “Go home, Nazis!”

According to fliers for the event — which recycled images from old propaganda from the disbanded neo-Nazi organization Vanguard America — the marches were meant to “take a stand” against the media, government and educational institutions that are “anti-white.” The slogan “White Lives Matter” has been promoted on fliers and banners by white supremacist groups, including neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan groups, since 2015 as “a racist response to the Black Lives Matter movement,” according to the Anti-Defamation League.

In 2016, “White Lives Matter” was designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Several “White Lives Matter” rallies were held that year: Confederate flag-waving protesters gathered outside NAACP headquarters in Houston, and arrests were made in Austin, Texas, when a group of “White Lives Matter” protesters clashed with counterdemonstrators.

Sunday’s round of racist rallies seemed destined for failure, said Megan Squire, a computer science professor at Elon University in North Carolina who tracks online extremism.

The online organizers of the North Carolina rally were uninformed about state law governing protests, including laws that disallowed firearms, Squire said. The organizers were also generally inept at using Telegram, where the event was announced, and unable to identify “obvious trolls in their midst.”

The efforts behind Sunday’s rallies were “haphazard and ill-informed,” Squire said. “They’re not sending their best.” The “White Lives Matter” rallies were disrupted in several cities after activists infiltrated their online groups and leaked internal chats to journalists. Those chats were reported to have indicated that the events were being planned by the extremist group the Proud Boys and by self-described fascists and Nazis who framed the rallies as peaceful events unaffiliated with known hate groups to recruit more mainstream members.

Organizers in several cities canceled events because of sabotage by antifa activists. Raleigh’s organizer called off a rally Friday, telling subscribers, “It turns out that the 11th is a disaster.”

Two of the largest Telegram channels dedicated to events in Philadelphia and New York City were shown to be traps created by anti-fascist activists. Another local activist tweeted screenshots of the plan's reveal with a warning Saturday to would-be rallygoers: “Given how riddled these chats are with antifascists ... it might be time to rethink whether you really want to trust a bunch of anonymous internet weirdos to show up with you in your city."

The ineptitude of organizers notwithstanding, experts say that the U.S. extremist movement is at an inflection point and that would-be participants are discouraged by the increased negative attention and the prosecutions of members in such movements after the Capitol attack.

The white supremacist movement faced a similar reckoning in 2017 after the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Instead of unifying distinct brands of white supremacist groups, the murder of counterprotester Heather Heyer and the full-throated hate on display from tiki-torch-wielding neo-Nazis invited national condemnation, legal troubles and in-group squabbling that fractured individual organizations and the hate movement overall.

After Charlottesville, there were “weak attempts to revisit former glory,” Squire said, recalling rallies where a handful of white supremacists who had led the alt-right movement were outnumbered by anti-racist counterprotesters. “The wind was knocked out of their sails, and the legal cases brought that fall certainly didn’t help.”

Hate hasn’t disappeared, but membership in formal extremist groups may have been disincentivized. So far, 369 federal cases have been brought against people accused of involvement in the Capitol siege, according to a database maintained by the Program on Extremism at George Washington University.

About three dozen of those charged are members and associates of the Proud Boys, the pro-Trump street fighting gang, and the Oath Keepers militia group. Both are accused of coordinating between far-right groups, and they face the most serious federal charges related to Jan. 6, including conspiracy to breach the Capitol.

Beyond legal consequences, self-described antifa activists have made it costly to be associated with far-right and racist groups, many of them using online sleuthing to match participants at extremist rallies to their real-life identities and employers.

Mainstream online platforms where extremists were once welcomed have also tightened their policies about violent extremist content and groups.

“Not only have organized larger groups splintered, but so, too, did their social media footprint,” said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate & Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino. “Some extremists continued a whack-a-mole migration underground to encrypted, affinity-based platforms, while others exited these movements altogether.”

The realignment and the lack of cohesive leadership don’t lessen the threat from extremist groups, however.

The risk now, Levin says, can be found in “loners and cells, who act on their own combination of hatreds and idiosyncrasies often cobbled together from a constant all-you-can-eat buffet of stereotyping and conspiracies that still populate online discourse.”
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Postby Maineiacs » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:57 pm

Kowani wrote:Morons plan White Lives Matter rallies nationwide, fail due to lack of attendence

n semi-private, encrypted chats, neo-Nazis and other far-right extremists planned rallies in dozens of cities Sunday to promote their racist movements and spread their ideologies to larger audiences.

Hyped by organizers as events that would make “the whole world tremble,” the rallies ran into a major problem: Hardly anyone showed up.

The “White Lives Matter” rallies, the first major real-world organizing efforts by white supremacists since 2018, were planned on the encrypted app Telegram after many aligned groups were alleged to have taken part in the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S Capitol.

The poor showing underscores how the country’s unpopular and disorganized extremist movements have been driven underground by increased scrutiny from the media, law enforcement agencies and far-left activists who infiltrate their private online spaces and disrupt their attempts to communicate and organize.

Few “White Lives Matter” marchers showed up Sunday, but anti-racist and anti-fascist groups gathered just the same.

In Raleigh, North Carolina, a small crowd of antifa and anti-racist protesters gathered at the park where the “White Lives Matter” march was planned. They marched around downtown behind a large white sign that read, “WE ACCEPT YOUR SURRENDER.”

The lackluster events were documented by livestreams and photos posted to Twitter.

In Philadelphia, activists tweeted photos of a counterprotest picnic with pizza and Tastykake snacks. In New York City, over a dozen counterprotesters stood seemingly unopposed across the street from Trump Tower, where a “White Lives Matter” rally was expected.

Police in downtown Albuquerque, New Mexico, formed a circle around a lone protester to separate him from a large crowd of counterprotesters. Three protesters assembled around a “White Lives Matter” banner outside City Hall in Fort Worth, Texas, where a police line separated them from a couple of dozen counterprotesters.

Hundreds of counterprotesters, bystanders and media members gathered at a counterprotest at the scheduled start time of a “White Lives Matter” march at Huntington Beach Pier southeast of Los Angeles.

Throughout the afternoon, counterprotesters could be seen on several livestreams chanting “Unity and community” and “Black lives matter.” A few single protesters, one of whom wore a full hood and a T-shirt with a white supremacist slogan, were run off by the crowd, who yelled “Go home, Nazis!”

According to fliers for the event — which recycled images from old propaganda from the disbanded neo-Nazi organization Vanguard America — the marches were meant to “take a stand” against the media, government and educational institutions that are “anti-white.” The slogan “White Lives Matter” has been promoted on fliers and banners by white supremacist groups, including neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan groups, since 2015 as “a racist response to the Black Lives Matter movement,” according to the Anti-Defamation League.

In 2016, “White Lives Matter” was designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Several “White Lives Matter” rallies were held that year: Confederate flag-waving protesters gathered outside NAACP headquarters in Houston, and arrests were made in Austin, Texas, when a group of “White Lives Matter” protesters clashed with counterdemonstrators.

Sunday’s round of racist rallies seemed destined for failure, said Megan Squire, a computer science professor at Elon University in North Carolina who tracks online extremism.

The online organizers of the North Carolina rally were uninformed about state law governing protests, including laws that disallowed firearms, Squire said. The organizers were also generally inept at using Telegram, where the event was announced, and unable to identify “obvious trolls in their midst.”

The efforts behind Sunday’s rallies were “haphazard and ill-informed,” Squire said. “They’re not sending their best.” The “White Lives Matter” rallies were disrupted in several cities after activists infiltrated their online groups and leaked internal chats to journalists. Those chats were reported to have indicated that the events were being planned by the extremist group the Proud Boys and by self-described fascists and Nazis who framed the rallies as peaceful events unaffiliated with known hate groups to recruit more mainstream members.

Organizers in several cities canceled events because of sabotage by antifa activists. Raleigh’s organizer called off a rally Friday, telling subscribers, “It turns out that the 11th is a disaster.”

Two of the largest Telegram channels dedicated to events in Philadelphia and New York City were shown to be traps created by anti-fascist activists. Another local activist tweeted screenshots of the plan's reveal with a warning Saturday to would-be rallygoers: “Given how riddled these chats are with antifascists ... it might be time to rethink whether you really want to trust a bunch of anonymous internet weirdos to show up with you in your city."

The ineptitude of organizers notwithstanding, experts say that the U.S. extremist movement is at an inflection point and that would-be participants are discouraged by the increased negative attention and the prosecutions of members in such movements after the Capitol attack.

The white supremacist movement faced a similar reckoning in 2017 after the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Instead of unifying distinct brands of white supremacist groups, the murder of counterprotester Heather Heyer and the full-throated hate on display from tiki-torch-wielding neo-Nazis invited national condemnation, legal troubles and in-group squabbling that fractured individual organizations and the hate movement overall.

After Charlottesville, there were “weak attempts to revisit former glory,” Squire said, recalling rallies where a handful of white supremacists who had led the alt-right movement were outnumbered by anti-racist counterprotesters. “The wind was knocked out of their sails, and the legal cases brought that fall certainly didn’t help.”

Hate hasn’t disappeared, but membership in formal extremist groups may have been disincentivized. So far, 369 federal cases have been brought against people accused of involvement in the Capitol siege, according to a database maintained by the Program on Extremism at George Washington University.

About three dozen of those charged are members and associates of the Proud Boys, the pro-Trump street fighting gang, and the Oath Keepers militia group. Both are accused of coordinating between far-right groups, and they face the most serious federal charges related to Jan. 6, including conspiracy to breach the Capitol.

Beyond legal consequences, self-described antifa activists have made it costly to be associated with far-right and racist groups, many of them using online sleuthing to match participants at extremist rallies to their real-life identities and employers.

Mainstream online platforms where extremists were once welcomed have also tightened their policies about violent extremist content and groups.

“Not only have organized larger groups splintered, but so, too, did their social media footprint,” said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate & Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino. “Some extremists continued a whack-a-mole migration underground to encrypted, affinity-based platforms, while others exited these movements altogether.”

The realignment and the lack of cohesive leadership don’t lessen the threat from extremist groups, however.

The risk now, Levin says, can be found in “loners and cells, who act on their own combination of hatreds and idiosyncrasies often cobbled together from a constant all-you-can-eat buffet of stereotyping and conspiracies that still populate online discourse.”


In Raleigh, North Carolina, a small crowd of antifa and anti-racist protesters gathered at the park where the “White Lives Matter” march was planned. They marched around downtown behind a large white sign that read, “WE ACCEPT YOUR SURRENDER.”


*giggle* *snicker* *chuckle* :rofl:

Thank you, I needed the laugh. :clap:
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Postby Arident » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:05 am

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Hyped by organizers as events that would make “the whole world tremble,” the rallies ran into a major problem: Hardly anyone showed up.

They're making it way too easy to make fun of them nowadays. I mean we hardly even need counter protesters due to their incompetence.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:09 am

Arident wrote:
Kowani wrote:
Hyped by organizers as events that would make “the whole world tremble,” the rallies ran into a major problem: Hardly anyone showed up.

They're making it way too easy to make fun of them nowadays. I mean we hardly even need counter protesters due to their incompetence.


You would think they'd do a better job considering what they think is on the line.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:17 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The only people crying here are the ones who think you're automatically a nazi if you call people degenerate.

Fact, I'm not gonna refrain from calling the likes of Harvey Weinstein a degenerate. Anyone who is offended by that can cry about it, but people like him deserve to be called it cause that's what they are.


Using a four-syllable word to mean whatever you want it to mean, will not give your condemnation any more authority. Not that it had much anyway: you seem to think Gaetz ran a child prostitution ring or something, you've lost your grip.

But go on. Imply that a politician you don't align with is subhuman but don't be surprised if your allegiance to human rights gets questioned when you do!

I think that everyone understands that Gaetz was a customer of the child sex trafficking ring, not the boss.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:36 am

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/us/judge ... index.html

Driver arrested in hit-and-run death of Sandra Feuerstein, New York federal judge

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:51 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The only people crying here are the ones who think you're automatically a nazi if you call people degenerate.

Fact, I'm not gonna refrain from calling the likes of Harvey Weinstein a degenerate. Anyone who is offended by that can cry about it, but people like him deserve to be called it cause that's what they are.


Using a four-syllable word to mean whatever you want it to mean, will not give your condemnation any more authority. Not that it had much anyway: you seem to think Gaetz ran a child prostitution ring or something, you've lost your grip.

But go on. Imply that a politician you don't align with is subhuman but don't be surprised if your allegiance to human rights gets questioned when you do!


I’m not calling anyone subhuman. I’m saying they have a degrading morality.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:51 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think that everyone understands that Gaetz was a customer of the child sex trafficking ring, not the boss.


He seems to have been fairly open about going after any girls of legal age. It's kind of puzzling that he got caught on "transporting a minor across state lines" because that's very well known.

It wouldn't even be necessary if states all had the same age of consent. But you know ... herding cats.

So open about paying to have sex with teenagers that he only recently privated his Venmo transactions and contacts list.

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:57 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Using a four-syllable word to mean whatever you want it to mean, will not give your condemnation any more authority. Not that it had much anyway: you seem to think Gaetz ran a child prostitution ring or something, you've lost your grip.

Yes, anyone who thinks the congressman who’s being investigated for prostitution, misuse of campaign funds, sex trafficking of a minor, and a host of other charges might’ve run a child prostitution ring (whatever you think that means, if it’s somehow different from just the examining the substance of the allegations) has CLEARLY just “lost their grip!”

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Ifreann wrote:I think that everyone understands that Gaetz was a customer of the child sex trafficking ring, not the boss.


He seems to have been fairly open about going after any girls of legal age. It's kind of puzzling that he got caught on "transporting a minor across state lines" because that's very well known.

It wouldn't even be necessary if states all had the same age of consent. But you know ... herding cats.

Is the implication here still that it’s actually fine that congressmen pushing 40 are Venmoing fixers to hire barely-legally-aged teenage prostitutes and people are just being hysterical?
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:00 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/us/judge-sandra-feuerstein-death-arrest/index.html

Driver arrested in hit-and-run death of Sandra Feuerstein, New York federal judge


So she ran over a judge and a 6-year-old, while driving on the pavement. Sounds like murder to me, and leaving an injured kid for dead should put the lid on it.

DUI murder is much harder to prove in comparison to DUI manslaughter, as there are more conditions that need to be satisfied, namely: the death resulted from an intentional act, the driver knowingly acted with conscious disregard of human life, and the natural consequences of that act are dangerous to human life. It'll probably be prosecuted under DUI manslaughter.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:11 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So open about paying to have sex with teenagers that he only recently privated his Venmo transactions and contacts list.


I don't see a problem with that, either way. It's probably too late to keep the list from conspiracy theorists, or from potential jurors. But there's no harm in trying.

Which part of that, exactly, do you not see a problem with?

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:28 am

Cannis Fabulous wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So open about paying to have sex with teenagers that he only recently privated his Venmo transactions and contacts list.


I don't see a problem with that


Which in itself is a problem.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:30 am

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The only people crying here are the ones who think you're automatically a nazi if you call people degenerate.

Fact, I'm not gonna refrain from calling the likes of Harvey Weinstein a degenerate. Anyone who is offended by that can cry about it, but people like him deserve to be called it cause that's what they are.


Using a four-syllable word to mean whatever you want it to mean, will not give your condemnation any more authority. Not that it had much anyway: you seem to think Gaetz ran a child prostitution ring or something, you've lost your grip.

But go on. Imply that a politician you don't align with is subhuman but don't be surprised if your allegiance to human rights gets questioned when you do!


I've lost my grip? He's literally under investigation. I assume everyone except you has lost their grip in your world, since you're so smart and special right? Give me a break. The man is a disgrace. He was banging sex trafficked young women and you openly think it's okay he was doing that. I haven't lost my grip. You lost your sense of decency.

Btw don't question my devotion to human rights when you're the one defending human trafficking.

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Apparently the house lost their grip too right? The feds lost their grip as well. Everyone except you, because you're sooooo much smarter than all of them obviously :roll:
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:35 am

Ahem.

Pedophiles are bad

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Postby Arident » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:59 am

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Pedophiles are bad

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Postby Picairn » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:11 am

Biden will nominate a police chief who criticized Trump as head of Customs and Border Protection.

President Biden will nominate Chris Magnus, the police chief of Tucson, Ariz., and a critic of the Trump administration’s anti-immigration policies, to lead Customs and Border Protection, one of six new installments of leadership at the Department of Homeland Security.

If confirmed, Mr. Magnus would step into a politically divisive challenge facing the Biden administration: how to handle a record number of border crossings that are projected to increase in the coming months. The administration has failed to safely move thousands of children and teenagers from jails run by the Border Patrol into shelters throughout the United States.

Members of Congress have called for additional accountability measures at Customs and Border Protection after it was revealed in 2019 that dozens of border agents had joined private Facebook groups and other social media pages that included obscene images of Hispanic lawmakers and threats to members of Congress. D.H.S. has also faced an investigation from the department’s Office of the Inspector General for its aggressive tactics against protesters in Portland, Ore.

Mr. Biden, who campaigned on increasing oversight at Customs and Border Protection, which oversees the Border Patrol, chose not a veteran of the agency but rather a progressive police chief who promoted community policing efforts while overseeing departments in Tucson and Richmond, Calif. Mr. Biden was compelled to choose him because of those efforts to reform departments, as well as his recent work policing a city close to the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a White House official.

Mr. Magnus, who is white and gay, received national attention when a photograph of him in uniform holding a Black Lives Matter sign during a protest in Richmond went viral. It also sparked criticism from the local police union. Last June, he abruptly offered to resign as chief of the Tucson police while releasing a video in which a 27-year-old Latino man, Carlos Ingram Lopez, died in custody. Mayor Regina Romero expressed confidence in Mr. Magnus and kept him on the job.

He also publicly criticized the immigration policies of President Donald J. Trump and his attorney general, Jeff Sessions, as hindering police efforts to crack down on crime.

“The harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric and Mr. Sessions’s reckless policies ignore a basic reality known by most good cops and prosecutors,” Mr. Magnus wrote in a New York Times opinion piece in 2017. “If people are afraid of the police, if they fear they may become separated from their families or harshly interrogated based on their immigration status, they won’t report crimes or come forward as witnesses.”

Mr. Magnus last year also declined to accept homeland security “Stonegarden” grants issued to local police departments that assist the federal government on border enforcement, after the Trump administration refused to allow a portion of the funds to be spent on humanitarian aid for asylum-seeking migrants.

The nominations unveiled on Monday also include top cybersecurity officials, a sign of the administration’s intent to prioritize cyberattacks as a top national security threat. Jen Easterly, Morgan Stanley’s head of resilience and a former senior official at the National Security Agency, was tapped to lead the Homeland Security Department’s cybersecurity branch, and Robert Silvers, a top cybersecurity official at the department during the Obama administration, was picked to be under secretary for policy.

Mr. Biden will also nominate Jonathan Meyer, another Obama administration official, to return to the department as general counsel, and John Tien, the former National Security Council senior director for Afghanistan and Pakistan, to serve as deputy secretary.

Ur Jaddou, who worked as chief counsel at Citizenship and Immigration Services before leading an immigration advocacy group, was tapped to lead the immigration agency.

The officials would work under Alejandro N. Mayorkas, the first immigrant to run the department responsible not only for border security and immigration policies, but also providing a coordinated defense against terrorism, maritime, aviation and cybersecurity threats. During the Trump administration, the department was riddled with vacancies and interim leaders and was accused of having a unilateral focus on the border with Mexico, whether it be separating children from their parents or building a wall there.

The administration still has not nominated anyone to lead Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency that investigates sex and drug trafficking organizations and deports undocumented immigrants.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:28 am

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ram-report

Biden is preparing to name Cindy McCain as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations World Food Program

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:33 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/547628-cindy-mccain-to-be-named-biden-ambassador-to-un-program-report

Biden is preparing to name Cindy McCain as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations World Food Program

I wonder why.

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Postby Picairn » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:40 am

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:41 am



Im not surprised. Trump and many Republicans have opened the doors to this by failing to condemn Trump's rhetoric.

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Postby Kilobugya » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:46 am



No no no ! It's antifa doing false flag attacks using the jewish space lasers. Or Muslims. Or BLM. Or something. But it can't be due to 4 years of a president openly endorsing white supremacists, bragging about sexual assault, encouraging the violent invasion of the capitol to overthrow an election, ...
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