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Postby Ifreann » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:44 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Degenerate" isn't a more mature sounding synonym for "icky". To degenerate is to make something unlike its own kind, to make it move away from its own genus. The Nazis believed that the German people, the race of Germans, were being made weak by the influence of the Asiatic Jew, were being made impure and "un-German". Do you think that the sex crimes of Matt Gaetz are causing the American people to lose their racial strengths and become impure and less white? I'm sure you don't, but that is essentially what you are saying. You don't have to have the conscious intention of agreeing with fascists, if you're using their language in the same way they use it you're promoting their ideas. Just like when people call something "gay" when they mean "bad", that promotes the idea that there's something wrong with being gay, even if the person saying it doesn't believe that.


That's the Nazi concept of the term. But the term exists outside of Nazism.

That's just what the word means. Look at the definitions. Not simply bad or immoral or disgusting, but having fallen below some standard, having diminished from some previously desirable state, having lost the qualities proper to the species or kind. If the Nazis were degenerates, then they were at some point good and moral and strong or whatever but then lost those traits and deteriorated. And that's clearly not accurate, the Nazis were total pieces of shit before they were even organised into a Nazi Party. Or how about Matt Gaetz, is he a good man who somehow lost his goodness and then set about committing sex crimes? Obviously I don't know him personally, but that doesn't seem plausible to me. He's probably been more or less the same his whole adult life.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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This is an absurd level of pedantry and not how anyone uses the word in modern English. Salus is absolutley correct that the vast majority of people, including dictionaries, use it to refer to moral bankruptcy.

But then you can’t smugly call everyone a Nazi


Tbf he isn't calling me a Nazi.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:45 am

Ifreann wrote:Obviously I don't know him personally, but that doesn't seem plausible to me. He's probably been more or less the same his whole adult life.


I doubt he was a sex-fiend as a child.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:46 am

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San Lumen wrote:Not all cities are expensive.

What's your rent and square footage?

Average home price in the Phoenix metro is about 350,000 and that’s for a 1,700 sqft home on a barely larger lot. Meanwhile out in the middle of nowhere I can pay about the same and get close to 80 acres of land
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:49 am

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Thanks but no thanks. I did city living for a long time and would never go back, it's so much unhealthier than living out where I do now.


Of course you can opt out. Do not be surprised if the costs (or requirements to do-it-yourself) increase though. And if you live in the back of nowhere, don't expect government to spend millions on a bridge to your place ...

There’s a place I’m considering buying where the roads are literally dirt roads in the middle of nowhere. Completely off grid too
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:51 am

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Yeahhh ! Trains ! But what ? Means Colorado doesn't have any passenger trains at all now ? What a depressing place !

No they do. It’s just infrequent
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:51 am

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Of course you can opt out. Do not be surprised if the costs (or requirements to do-it-yourself) increase though. And if you live in the back of nowhere, don't expect government to spend millions on a bridge to your place ...

There’s a place I’m considering buying where the roads are literally dirt roads in the middle of nowhere. Completely off grid too

Nice.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:05 pm

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I'm curious, what is the most extreme district in the country?

By county: Roberts County, Texas (96.2% Trump) and Kalawao County, Hawaii (95.8% Biden)
By district: Alabama’s 4th District (81.2% Trump) and California’s 13th District (88.9% Biden)

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:08 pm

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Ifreann wrote:The "gener" in the middle there is from the Latin for race, genus. Is it morally reprehensible for a person or people to move away from their race? That's Nazi logic, and I'm sure you don't agree with it, but it is implicit in the term.


This is an absurd level of pedantry and not how anyone uses the word in modern English. Salus is absolutley correct that the vast majority of people, including dictionaries, use it to refer to moral bankruptcy.

I have repeatedly said that people's conscious intentions are beside the point. Most people who use "gay" as a generic negative term aren't consciously homophobic, but nonetheless there are homophobic implications to that use of the word. Or to use another example, I could hardly saying something like "The guy jewed me out a tenner" and then reasonably argue that this does not promote antisemitic ideas because I wasn't using the word that way, as if the contents of my mind and heart are a factor.

Not to say that words can't lose their original meanings over time. They can, and that time can be rather short online. But there are a lot of fascists and fascist-adjacent people going around calling things degenerate and meaning in that "destroying the race" sense. And a lot of fascists who are trying to make fascism a socially acceptable political ideology, just another stall in the marketplace of ideas. We give these people cover when we use their language, regardless of the fact that we know they're saddos with a loser ideology.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:38 pm

Florida to audit program that blocks parents of brain-damaged newborn children from suing

Declaring that Florida leaders “can and will do better” for the families of catastrophically brain-damaged children, the state’s top financial regulator Thursday initiated an audit of the state program that oversees care for those injured in childbirth.

Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis said Thursday that the Office of Insurance Regulation, which he supervises, will examine the books of the state’s Birth-Related Neurological Injury Compensation Association, or NICA. Patronis’ office already has begun an “inspection” of the program, which was the subject of an investigative report published hours earlier by the Miami Herald and ProPublica.

The news organizations detailed how NICA has amassed nearly $1.5 billion in assets but has denied or delayed help for struggling families — sometimes spending tens of thousands more in legal fees fighting requests for benefits than it would cost to help parents who depend on the program to care for their children.

In the budget year ending June 30, 2020, NICA earned six times as much in investment income, $124.6 million, as it spent on families of brain-damaged children, $19.8 million.

And while many NICA families struggle, the professionals who do business with the fund do not, the Herald reported. NICA paid its lawyers $16.9 million between 1989 and 2020. That’s more than the program spent on therapy and doctor and hospital visits for children — combined — during the same period, about $10 million.

“We need to make sure these kids and their families aren’t being nickel-and-dimed,” Patronis said in his statement, echoing the language of two parents quoted in the Herald. “This program needs to treat these children with kindness instead of treating them as though they are a liability for shareholders.”

In a written statement late Thursday, NICA administrators said that, while the Herald presented “a moving and emotional story of several families,” the investigation failed “to provide a completely accurate portrayal” of the program.

NICA said that the stories included criticism of the program for issues “that occurred more than 15 years ago, in many instances prior to the current NICA leadership.”

“We have worked tirelessly to address issues that have arisen over the years, including making processes more responsive to families’ needs, while fulfilling our obligation as fiscal stewards,” read the statement sent by Executive Director Kenney Shipley.

NICA defended its mission to reduce malpractice premiums for doctors and said it had followed through on the Legislature’s intent to “provide catastrophically brain-damaged infants with the medical care they need without subjecting their families to protracted legal battles. We take this critical mission very seriously, recognizing the physical, emotional and financial toll it takes on families to care for a highly disabled infant, child or adult.”

The program said it will work with Patronis on reforms that Shipley and NICA’s board had once opposed, including adding a parent to the board and raising awareness of program benefits for families.

Separately, Shipley also sent an email to NICA families, repeating many of the same points. “We aim to treat every family in the program fairly and individually, providing the benefits they are entitled to based on their specific needs,” Shipley wrote.

The sister and legal guardian of a Jacksonville man who was accepted into NICA in 1998 said she would like to see the Florida Legislature reform the program so it is required to effectively communicate benefits to caregivers who are often overwhelmed with the demands of caring for a profoundly injured family member.

Jennifer Pham, 31, said she long had told NICA about her family’s struggles caring for her brother, Justin Nguyen, 24.

Their mother, Choi “Julie” Nguyen, had trouble holding a job because of the demands of caring for Justin, Pham said. Nurses would show up late or not at all for shifts, causing Julie Nguyen to miss work. Other times, Nguyen has been unwilling to leave Justin alone during his many hospitalizations.

For nearly 20 years, NICA has been authorized by state law to pay parents who miss work or leave careers to care for their injured child at home. But NICA’s caseworkers never told Nguyen or her daughters about that benefit. Pham learned of it when Herald reporters told her during an interview in October.

“There needs to be a stronger relationship between NICA and the families. You have to work together,” Pham said. “My experience so far is that NICA just puts everything on the family.”

In 1988, the Florida Legislature created NICA as part of a slate of lawsuit restrictions designed to lower malpractice premiums for doctors. The law forbids parents from suing their doctor and hospital when complications during childbirth cause “substantial” brain damage. In exchange, NICA offers parents a one-time $100,000 payment and the promise of “medically necessary” and “reasonable” health care for their disabled child.

The Herald and ProPublica reported that NICA often denies requests for care and services, and forces families to file costly appeals before the state Division of Administrative Hearings, which adjudicates birth injury claims, when they are rebuffed. The program’s records show NICA has rejected requests for wheelchairs, therapy, in-home nursing care and supplies for children with feeding tubes.

Since its inception, the program has never included the parent of a disabled or medically fragile child or an advocate for such families on its five-member, unpaid board of directors. The current board, all men, represents only health care and insurance industry interests.

In his statement, Patronis said that his wife, Katie, had sustained complications during childbirth for both of the couple’s sons. “I know that every loving parent is stressed out and undergoing an intense amount of emotions when their children are at risk,” Patronis wrote. “I cannot imagine or understand how difficult things are for families of children with neurological injuries.”

He added: “We’ve got to figure out a way to make things easier for them.”

Patronis, who served in the Florida House of Representatives from 2006 to 2014, said lawmakers “should look at changing the laws governing board appointments,” adding the state law governing NICA “doesn’t require a non-doctor [or] parent ... to be a member, yet requires doctors and insurer interests to be represented.”

“It’s also ridiculous that NICA’s money managers get more in lump sum payments than parents with sick babies,” Patronis added.

Florida lawmakers already are considering legislation that would increase parents’ one-time benefit from $100,000 to $250,000, as well as an amendment to raise the program’s death benefit from $10,000 to $50,000. The legislation was proposed after NICA hired a publicist and was fielding questions and public record requests from the Herald.

Patronis’ statement appears to challenge the program’s core principle. Parents whose children meet the criteria for NICA benefits generally have no choice but to forfeit their right to file a lawsuit. But in his statement, Patronis said “parents shouldn’t be put into a position where they feel pressured into signing their rights away.” A sponsor of the pending legislation, Sen. Lauren Book, a Democrat, said that both she and the bill’s other Senate sponsor, Republican Sen. Danny Burgess, both “were outraged, obviously, at the things uncovered by [the Herald], and we have been looking at many different ways to reform” the program.

Book said she and Burgess, who could not be reached, are amending their bill to require the state to include a family member on the NICA board. “I was stricken by how these moms are left to carry on, oftentimes when families crack under the pressure of these immense challenges,” she said.

The two lawmakers also would like to require NICA to appoint a parents’ “advocate” who can “help families navigate the system” and receive the full benefits state law requires.

“We have to ensure these families have everything they need when having to deal with a lifetime of challenge and pain,” Book said.


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Postby Senkaku » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:43 pm

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Ifreann wrote:The "gener" in the middle there is from the Latin for race, genus. Is it morally reprehensible for a person or people to move away from their race? That's Nazi logic, and I'm sure you don't agree with it, but it is implicit in the term.


This is an absurd level of pedantry and not how anyone uses the word in modern English. Salus is absolutley correct that the vast majority of people, including dictionaries, use it to refer to moral bankruptcy.

Wahhh I hate that my choice of words may have political and historical baggage stop pointing it out wahhh
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:00 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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This is an absurd level of pedantry and not how anyone uses the word in modern English. Salus is absolutley correct that the vast majority of people, including dictionaries, use it to refer to moral bankruptcy.

Wahhh I hate that my choice of words may have political and historical baggage stop pointing it out wahhh


The only people crying here are the ones who think you're automatically a nazi if you call people degenerate.

Fact, I'm not gonna refrain from calling the likes of Harvey Weinstein a degenerate. Anyone who is offended by that can cry about it, but people like him deserve to be called it cause that's what they are.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:02 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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This is an absurd level of pedantry and not how anyone uses the word in modern English. Salus is absolutley correct that the vast majority of people, including dictionaries, use it to refer to moral bankruptcy.

Wahhh I hate that my choice of words may have political and historical baggage stop pointing it out wahhh

Keep in mind, “baggage” historically was used to mean “worthless woman” or a “strumpet” (or a prostitute), and is a problematic term.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:03 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Wahhh I hate that my choice of words may have political and historical baggage stop pointing it out wahhh

Keep in mind, “baggage” historically was used to mean “worthless woman” or a “strumpet” (or a prostitute), and is a problematic term.


Keep is a problematic term. Once sometime in the past, a rich planter said "Yep, I keep about 200 slaves up on the Harietta plantation. They pick those fields dawn to dusk six days a week and business is good."
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:32 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I don't understand why people who aren't Nazis call people degenerate, when that entails accepting the Nazi viewpoint on society.


Degenerate just means morally reprehensible, having a broken sense of morality which slopes into greater and greater immorality. Which describes the Nazis more so than whoever they were calling 'degenerate'.


So, you’re saying it was all projection when Nazis called normies “degenerate”? I’m shocked.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:39 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
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Degenerate just means morally reprehensible, having a broken sense of morality which slopes into greater and greater immorality. Which describes the Nazis more so than whoever they were calling 'degenerate'.


So, you’re saying it was all projection when Nazis called normies “degenerate”? I’m shocked.


They actually said degenerieren. Because Germans speak German, not English.

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A. Eric Smith was not sentenced to life without parole.

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He should've.


1. He wasn't.

b. He was white.
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WaPo: 100 corporate leaders in conference call to discuss common response to GOP vote suppression efforts

More than 100 chief executives and corporate leaders gathered online Saturday to discuss taking new action to combat the controversial state voting bills being considered across the country, including the one recently signed into law in Georgia.

Executives from major airlines, retailers and manufacturers — plus at least one NFL owner — talked about potential ways to show they opposed the controversial legislation, including by halting donations to politicians who support the bills and even delaying investments in states that pass the restrictive measures, according to four people who were on the call, including one of the organizers, Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a Yale management professor.

While no final steps were agreed on, the meeting represents an aggressive dialing up of Corporate America’s advocacy against controversial voting measures nationwide, a sign that their opposition to the laws didn’t end with the fight against the measure passed last month in Georgia.

It also came just days after Minority Leader Mitch McConnell warned that firms should “stay out of politics” — echoing a view shared by many conservative politicians and setting up potential further conflicts between Republican leaders and the heads of some of America’s largest firms. Earlier this month, former president Trump called for conservatives to boycott Coca-Cola, Major League Baseball, Delta Air Lines, Citigroup, ViacomCBS, UPS, and other companies after they opposed a new law in Georgia that critics say will make it more difficult for poorer voters and voters of color to cast ballots. MLB decided to move its All-Star Game this summer from Georgia to Colorado because of the voting bill.

The online call between corporate executives on Saturday “shows they are not intimidated by the flack. They are not going to be cowed,” Sonnenfeld said. “They felt very strongly that these voting restrictions are based on a flawed premise and are dangerous.”

Leaders from dozens of companies such as Delta, American, United, Starbucks, Target, LinkedIn, Levi Strauss and Boston Consulting Group, along with Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank, were included on the weekend’s Zoom call, according to people who listened in. The meeting was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

The discussion was led at times by Kenneth Chenault, the former chief executive of American Express, and Kenneth Frazier, the chief executive of Merck, who told the executives that it was important to keep fighting what they viewed as discriminatory laws on voting. Chenault and Frazier coordinated a letter signed last month by 72 Black business executives that made a similar point — a letter that first drew attention to the voting bills in executive suites across the country.

The call’s goal was to unify companies that had been issuing a flurry of their own statements and signing onto drafted statements from different organizations in the wake of Georgia passing its voting ball, Sonnenfeld said. The leaders called in from around the country — some chimed in from Augusta, Ga., where they were attending the Masters golf tournament.

“There was a defiance of the threats that businesses should stay out of politics,” Sonnenfeld said. “They were obviously rejecting that even with their presence (on the call). But they were there out of concern about voting restrictions not being in the public interest.”

One Georgia-based executive talked about how the final version of Georgia’s legislation — which Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) has said actually expands voting access, a claim that many have challenged — was much worse than expected, and how that should serve as a warning to other chief executives as more states consider adopting their own voting bills, according to people on the call.

Mike Ward, vice president of the Civic Alliance, a nonpartisan group of businesses focused on voter engagement, said at the end of the Zoom call that he felt there was a broad consensus that company leaders plan to continue working against voting bills they feel are restrictive — “to lean into this, not lean away from this.”


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Postby North Washington Republic » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:26 pm

Trump curses McConnell's name during rant at Republican donor event

Former President Donald Trump again lashed out at Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., calling the top Republican a "dumb son of a b----" and a "stone cold loser" amid a lengthy rant at a Republican donor event Saturday night in which he also reiterated his false claims of electoral victory last fall.

Trump, according to a source familiar with his remarks, said "a real leader" never would have accepted the electoral results. That narrative, which Trump spun for months after losing last fall, led to the deadly Capitol riot on Jan. 6 and his second impeachment trial soon after.

Rioters inside the Capitol could be heard in one video chanting "hang Mike Pence" and had erected a gallows outside the building. Trump also said Saturday that he was "disappointed" his former vice president affirmed the Electoral College votes.

"If that were [Senate Majority Leader Chuck] Schumer instead of this dumb son of a b---- Mitch McConnell, they would never allow it to happen," Trump said. "They would have fought it."

After the impeachment trial, McConnell excoriated Trump for his conduct, though he did not vote to convict him. Soon after, Trump released a lengthy statement blasting McConnell as "a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack."

Days later, McConnell said he would back Trump for president if he were the 2024 GOP nominee. At roughly the same time, Trump began endorsing GOP senators who criticized his conduct around the riot, like Sens. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., and John Boozman, R-Ark., for reelection.

Trump addressed the crowd of Republican donors at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida for roughly an hour. His speech was the only portion of the Republican National Committee donor retreat that took place there, as other events were held at the Four Seasons in Palm Beach. Last month, Trump's attorneys asked the RNC, National Republican Congressional Committee and National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop using his name and likeness to fundraise as he pushed donors to give directly to his committee.

Speaking Saturday, Trump also mocked former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, who resigned from his administration after the riot and is married to McConnell."

"I hired his wife. Did he ever say thank you?" Trump said, adding sarcastically on her decision to resign after Jan. 6: "She suffered so greatly."

While attacking McConnell and other Republicans in his address, particularly those who voted against him in the most recent impeachment proceedings, Trump also called for party unity.

In saying he was "so disappointed" with Pence for affirming President Joe Biden's victory, Trump added, "I like him so much."

He praised attendees of his "Save America" rally on Jan. 6 — which preceded the Capitol riot.


Addressing the pandemic, the former president said he was not getting enough credit for his administration overseeing the development of the vaccines and suggested they be called the "Trumpcine."

He repeated his longtime mockery of Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, for his errant opening pitch at a Washington Nationals game last summer and for his pandemic analysis and advice, saying Fauci is, "so full of crap."

Representatives for Trump, Pence and McConnell did not immediately return requests for comment from NBC News.

Speaking with CBS's "Face the Nation," Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said Trump "is using the same language that he knows provoked violence on Jan. 6."

"As a party, we need to be focused on the future. We need to be focused on embracing the Constitution, not embracing insurrection," said Cheney, who was one of 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for his conduct around the riot.

"And I think it's very important for people to realize that a fundamental part of the Constitution and of who we are as Americans is the rule of law. It's the judicial process," she continued. "The election wasn't stolen. There was a judicial process in place. If you attack the judicial process and you attack the rule of law you're not defending the Constitution, you're at war with the Constitution."

Addressing Trump's remarks about McConnell, Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., told "Fox News Sunday" he believes "a lot of that rhetoric is part of the style and tone that comes with the former president."

"But I think he and Mitch McConnell have a common goal," said Thune, the second-highest ranking Senate Republican. "And that is, getting the majority back in 2022 and hopefully in the end that will be the thing that unites us."

On CNN's "State of the Union," Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican who Trump lambasted last week after he vetoed an anti-transgender healthcare bill, said in response to the former president's Saturday commentary that, "anything that's divisive is a concern and is not helpful for us fighting the battles in Washington and at the state level."

"In some ways, it's not a big deal, what he said," Hutchinson added. "But, at the same time, whenever it draws attention, we don't need that. We need unity. We need to be focused together. We have slim majorities — or slim numbers in Washington, and we have got battles to fight. So, we need to get beyond that."


Well,well, well. The GOP in-fighting continues.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:56 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Wahhh I hate that my choice of words may have political and historical baggage stop pointing it out wahhh


The only people crying here are the ones who think you're automatically a nazi if you call people degenerate.

To whom do you refer? It can't possibly be me, because I have not only not called anyone a Nazi, I've been very clear that the problem is people who aren't Nazis implicitly accepting the premises of fascist ideology through their choice of language, even though they don't consciously hold fascist beliefs.


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So, you’re saying it was all projection when Nazis called normies “degenerate”? I’m shocked.


They actually said degenerieren. Because Germans speak German, not English.

They said "Entartung".
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:58 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:Trump curses McConnell's name during rant at Republican donor event

Former President Donald Trump again lashed out at Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., calling the top Republican a "dumb son of a b----" and a "stone cold loser" amid a lengthy rant at a Republican donor event Saturday night in which he also reiterated his false claims of electoral victory last fall.

Trump, according to a source familiar with his remarks, said "a real leader" never would have accepted the electoral results. That narrative, which Trump spun for months after losing last fall, led to the deadly Capitol riot on Jan. 6 and his second impeachment trial soon after.

Rioters inside the Capitol could be heard in one video chanting "hang Mike Pence" and had erected a gallows outside the building. Trump also said Saturday that he was "disappointed" his former vice president affirmed the Electoral College votes.

"If that were [Senate Majority Leader Chuck] Schumer instead of this dumb son of a b---- Mitch McConnell, they would never allow it to happen," Trump said. "They would have fought it."

After the impeachment trial, McConnell excoriated Trump for his conduct, though he did not vote to convict him. Soon after, Trump released a lengthy statement blasting McConnell as "a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack."

Days later, McConnell said he would back Trump for president if he were the 2024 GOP nominee. At roughly the same time, Trump began endorsing GOP senators who criticized his conduct around the riot, like Sens. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., and John Boozman, R-Ark., for reelection.

Trump addressed the crowd of Republican donors at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida for roughly an hour. His speech was the only portion of the Republican National Committee donor retreat that took place there, as other events were held at the Four Seasons in Palm Beach. Last month, Trump's attorneys asked the RNC, National Republican Congressional Committee and National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop using his name and likeness to fundraise as he pushed donors to give directly to his committee.

Speaking Saturday, Trump also mocked former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, who resigned from his administration after the riot and is married to McConnell."

"I hired his wife. Did he ever say thank you?" Trump said, adding sarcastically on her decision to resign after Jan. 6: "She suffered so greatly."

While attacking McConnell and other Republicans in his address, particularly those who voted against him in the most recent impeachment proceedings, Trump also called for party unity.

In saying he was "so disappointed" with Pence for affirming President Joe Biden's victory, Trump added, "I like him so much."

He praised attendees of his "Save America" rally on Jan. 6 — which preceded the Capitol riot.


Addressing the pandemic, the former president said he was not getting enough credit for his administration overseeing the development of the vaccines and suggested they be called the "Trumpcine."

He repeated his longtime mockery of Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, for his errant opening pitch at a Washington Nationals game last summer and for his pandemic analysis and advice, saying Fauci is, "so full of crap."

Representatives for Trump, Pence and McConnell did not immediately return requests for comment from NBC News.

Speaking with CBS's "Face the Nation," Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said Trump "is using the same language that he knows provoked violence on Jan. 6."

"As a party, we need to be focused on the future. We need to be focused on embracing the Constitution, not embracing insurrection," said Cheney, who was one of 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for his conduct around the riot.

"And I think it's very important for people to realize that a fundamental part of the Constitution and of who we are as Americans is the rule of law. It's the judicial process," she continued. "The election wasn't stolen. There was a judicial process in place. If you attack the judicial process and you attack the rule of law you're not defending the Constitution, you're at war with the Constitution."

Addressing Trump's remarks about McConnell, Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., told "Fox News Sunday" he believes "a lot of that rhetoric is part of the style and tone that comes with the former president."

"But I think he and Mitch McConnell have a common goal," said Thune, the second-highest ranking Senate Republican. "And that is, getting the majority back in 2022 and hopefully in the end that will be the thing that unites us."

On CNN's "State of the Union," Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican who Trump lambasted last week after he vetoed an anti-transgender healthcare bill, said in response to the former president's Saturday commentary that, "anything that's divisive is a concern and is not helpful for us fighting the battles in Washington and at the state level."

"In some ways, it's not a big deal, what he said," Hutchinson added. "But, at the same time, whenever it draws attention, we don't need that. We need unity. We need to be focused together. We have slim majorities — or slim numbers in Washington, and we have got battles to fight. So, we need to get beyond that."


Well,well, well. The GOP in-fighting continues.


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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:58 pm

Ifreann wrote:They said "Entartung".


So not even the current translation? Wow. Seems like time and language has moved on.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:18 pm

Ifreann wrote:To whom do you refer? It can't possibly be me, because I have not only not called anyone a Nazi, I've been very clear that the problem is people who aren't Nazis implicitly accepting the premises of fascist ideology through their choice of language, even though they don't consciously hold fascist beliefs.


I’m not doing that either.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:55 pm

https://www.nhpr.org/post/nh-house-pass ... s#stream/0

The New Hampshire House voted overwhelmingly Thursday to give lawmakers more say in future states of emergency.

Under the bill, governors would retain a free hand to declare a 30-day state of emergency. But the Legislature would have to approve any extension of those orders. If circumstances didn't allow lawmakers to meet, a governor's emergency acts would renew in 14 day increments until lawmakers could weigh in.

Governor Sununu said he will veto the bill if it passes the Senate but a veto override seems likely to succeed.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.nhpr.org/post/nh-house-passes-bill-limiting-governors-emergency-powers#stream/0

The New Hampshire House voted overwhelmingly Thursday to give lawmakers more say in future states of emergency.

Under the bill, governors would retain a free hand to declare a 30-day state of emergency. But the Legislature would have to approve any extension of those orders. If circumstances didn't allow lawmakers to meet, a governor's emergency acts would renew in 14 day increments until lawmakers could weigh in.

Governor Sununu said he will veto the bill if it passes the Senate but a veto override seems likely to succeed.

Tbh this is probably a reasonable restriction. We don’t want governors to have carte blanch to do whatever they want however long they want without legislative oversight.
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