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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 29, 2021 5:05 pm

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Blue Nagia wrote:You know, I keep thinking...

About a decade ago, it was really common for older conservatives to grumble about "participation trophies" and how they made kids, specifically millennials, lazy and entitled. The thought was that, if everyone gets a prize whether they do well or not, it teaches people who are terrible at the thing in question that they're just as good as everyone else at it, and so they feel like they don't need to learn or grow.

I'm very skeptical that kids couldn't tell the difference, personally. But also, since it was always a conservative argument, I find it really ironic how much the right wing today has this "participation trophy" attitude, at least for debate.

Just because you're emotionally attached to your opinions doesn't mean they're based on facts. It's not enough to say "everyone has their own opinion, let's all hold hands", when some of those opinions are based on errors that can be proven to be errors, and some of them are doing active harm to people and to the environment.

Alternative facts are not facts, they are lies.

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You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. There is no such thing as alternative facts. You believing something doesn;t make it true.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat May 29, 2021 5:09 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:I strongly disagree with you, I think all of us strongly agree with our own Facts. If you wish read my Sig, I cant force you or any persons to read my Sig.


You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. There is no such thing as alternative facts. You believing something doesn;t make it true.

You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 29, 2021 5:17 pm

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You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. There is no such thing as alternative facts. You believing something doesn;t make it true.

You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.


Do you even read what someone writes? Do you know the difference between opinion and fact?

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat May 29, 2021 5:21 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.


Do you even read what someone writes? Do you know the difference between opinion and fact?

S L, I have never wanted to post to you what I posted to you above. I am trying to explain to you. I am entitled to my own opinion, not my own facts. You are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts. We are all entitled to our own opinions, not to our own facts. But when we disagree with any persons on any issues, we will never accept the other persons views, we will never accept the other persons so called facts. This is what I am trying to explain to you. I hope you now understand what I mean.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 29, 2021 5:21 pm

Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 29, 2021 5:23 pm

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Do you even read what someone writes? Do you know the difference between opinion and fact?

S L, I have never wanted to post to you what I posted to you above. I am trying to explain to you. I am entitled to my own opinion, not my own facts. You are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts. We are all entitled to our own opinions, not to our own facts. But when we disagree with any persons on any issues, we will never accept the other persons views, we will never accept the other persons so called facts. This is what I am trying to explain to you. I hope you now understand what I mean.


Your not making any sense. You merely repeat the same thing over and over again. Biden won a free and fair election is a fact as did Ossoff and Warnock in Georgia. its not an opinion.

To say I think the country would be better off if they lost is an opinion.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Sat May 29, 2021 5:25 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:S L, I have never wanted to post to you what I posted to you above. I am trying to explain to you. I am entitled to my own opinion, not my own facts. You are entitled to your own opinions, not to your own facts. We are all entitled to our own opinions, not to our own facts. But when we disagree with any persons on any issues, we will never accept the other persons views, we will never accept the other persons so called facts. This is what I am trying to explain to you. I hope you now understand what I mean.


Your not making any sense. You merely repeat the same thing over and over again. Biden won a free and fair election is a fact as did Ossoff and Warnock in Georgia. its not an opinion.

To say I think the country would be better off if they lost is an opinion.



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Postby -SARS- » Sat May 29, 2021 5:29 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.


On the one hand, I don't like what's been going on in Israel lately, but on the other hand BLM has a history of antisemitism and I'm not totally comfortable with the idea of having them at an anti-Israel protest.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Sat May 29, 2021 5:32 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.


On the one hand, I don't like what's been going on in Israel lately, but on the other hand BLM has a history of antisemitism and I'm not totally comfortable with the idea of having them at an anti-Israel protest.


The rise of anti-Semitic hate crimes is distributing and not enough on the left are denouncing it.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 29, 2021 5:34 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.


On the one hand, I don't like what's been going on in Israel lately, but on the other hand BLM has a history of antisemitism and I'm not totally comfortable with the idea of having them at an anti-Israel protest.

That is the issue I have. I have issues with Israel, ones that I think should use the US to either back away from it or place sanctions on it (this goes for "Palestine" as well.) That said, I can hear the dog whistles in that protest and to have it also be a blm protest, yeah that scares me.
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Postby Koletsia » Sat May 29, 2021 5:57 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:The rise of anti-Semitic hate crimes is distributing and not enough on the left are denouncing it.


Because most of these anti-Jewish crimes (in Europe in any case) are by Muslims and most Muslims are not white so it doesn't fit the narrative of those holding such political persuasions.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 29, 2021 5:59 pm

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North Washington Republic wrote:The rise of anti-Semitic hate crimes is distributing and not enough on the left are denouncing it.


Because most of these anti-Jewish crimes (in Europe in any case) are by Muslims and most Muslims are not white so it doesn't fit the narrative of those holding such political persuasions.

That is not true in the US, however.
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Sat May 29, 2021 6:00 pm

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Protesting. Too. Much.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat May 29, 2021 6:17 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.

NS Batman, I am very well aware of the Palestinian Arab and Israel and the Jewish People Feud. Contrary to popular belief I know a lot about Politics and current and past world events. I have many real world nations with the current real world leaders and past empire nations with their past leaders. I read up on them. I know how Israel treats the Palestinian Arabs, but I think many Palestinians and their leadership want all of Palestine for the Palestinian Arabs, I will post on it with links and details on the more appropriate thread when I am ready too. Republican President Trump is the most Pro Israel and the Jewish People, American President ever of the USA, even has Jewish grand children in his Family. Republican President Ronald Reagan, is the second most Pro Israel and the Jewish People, American President ever of the USA. I am strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People, I have the nation of NS Jerusalem Israel, with the current leaders, and I read up on them.
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Postby Albrenia » Sat May 29, 2021 6:24 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.


Is it just opposition to Israel's recent actions, or is it outright 'Israel should not exist' sort of malarky?

Either way it's a dumb move by BLM to mix that into their message, but one is a little understandable, while the other is outright immoral.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 29, 2021 6:24 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.

NS Batman, I am very well aware of the Palestinian Arab and Israel and the Jewish People Feud. Contrary to popular belief I know a lot about Politics and current and past world events. I have many real world nations with the current real world leaders and past empire nations with their past leaders. I read up on them. I know how Israel treats the Palestinian Arabs, but I think many Palestinians and their leadership want all of Palestine for the Palestinian Arabs, I will post on it with links and details on the more appropriate thread when I am ready too. Republican President Trump is the most Pro Israel and the Jewish People, American President ever of the USA, even has Jewish grand children in his Family. Republican President Ronald Reagan, is the second most Pro Israel and the Jewish People, American President ever of the USA. I am strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People, I have the nation of NS Jerusalem Israel, with the current leaders, and I read up on them.


What was the point of this reply?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 29, 2021 6:25 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.


Is it just opposition to Israel's recent actions, or is it outright 'Israel should not exist' sort of malarky?

Either way it's a dumb move by BLM to mix that into their message, but one is a little understandable, while the other is outright immoral.

The latter, with all sorts of dog whistles. I am not sure if blm actually supports this, or if this anti-israel group are trying to appropriate it.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat May 29, 2021 6:26 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Ph goody, a blm protest and an anti-Israel protest combined in one.


Is it just opposition to Israel's recent actions, or is it outright 'Israel should not exist' sort of malarky?

Either way it's a dumb move by BLM to mix that into their message, but one is a little understandable, while the other is outright immoral.

How is it immoral? I don't agree, let alone think it's feasible, but in what way is thinking Israel as a state is illegitimate and shouldn't exist immoral?
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Postby Albrenia » Sat May 29, 2021 6:29 pm

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Albrenia wrote:
Is it just opposition to Israel's recent actions, or is it outright 'Israel should not exist' sort of malarky?

Either way it's a dumb move by BLM to mix that into their message, but one is a little understandable, while the other is outright immoral.

The latter, with all sorts of dog whistles. I am not sure if blm actually supports this, or if this anti-israel group are trying to appropriate it.


Shit. That is not good and they need to pull their heads out of their arses.

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Postby Albrenia » Sat May 29, 2021 6:31 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Is it just opposition to Israel's recent actions, or is it outright 'Israel should not exist' sort of malarky?

Either way it's a dumb move by BLM to mix that into their message, but one is a little understandable, while the other is outright immoral.

How is it immoral? I don't agree, let alone think it's feasible, but in what way is thinking Israel as a state is illegitimate and shouldn't exist immoral?


Mainly due to the fact that eliminating either Palestine or Israel would result in some pretty horrific human rights abuses by whoever remained. People need to stop killing and hating each other.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat May 29, 2021 6:32 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:NS Batman, I am very well aware of the Palestinian Arab and Israel and the Jewish People Feud. Contrary to popular belief I know a lot about Politics and current and past world events. I have many real world nations with the current real world leaders and past empire nations with their past leaders. I read up on them. I know how Israel treats the Palestinian Arabs, but I think many Palestinians and their leadership want all of Palestine for the Palestinian Arabs, I will post on it with links and details on the more appropriate thread when I am ready too. Republican President Trump is the most Pro Israel and the Jewish People, American President ever of the USA, even has Jewish grand children in his Family. Republican President Ronald Reagan, is the second most Pro Israel and the Jewish People, American President ever of the USA. I am strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People, I have the nation of NS Jerusalem Israel, with the current leaders, and I read up on them.


What was the point of this reply?

Good question, I don't know. Just to state, I understand how Israel treats the Palestinian Arabs, but I think many Palestinians and their leadership want all of Palestine for the Palestinian Arabs, But I am a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People. This is it.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat May 29, 2021 6:46 pm

Biden Admin Releases 10K Migrant Children into U.S. in May, this headline says it all, Biden and the Democrats are making illegal immigration legal immigration and calling it immigration reform.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2021/0 ... -s-in-may/
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 29, 2021 6:52 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden Admin Releases 10K Migrant Children into U.S. in May, this headline says it all, Biden and the Democrats are making illegal immigration legal immigration and calling it immigration reform.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2021/0 ... -s-in-may/

Sounds like they might dangerously go to school or play in the city park.

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Postby -SARS- » Sat May 29, 2021 7:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Is it just opposition to Israel's recent actions, or is it outright 'Israel should not exist' sort of malarky?

Either way it's a dumb move by BLM to mix that into their message, but one is a little understandable, while the other is outright immoral.

The latter, with all sorts of dog whistles. I am not sure if blm actually supports this, or if this anti-israel group are trying to appropriate it.


I don't think it's a false flag. BLM has had an antisemitism problem for a long time.
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