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Postby Corrian » Tue May 18, 2021 11:04 pm

"Serious primary challenge"

*Primary challenge gets destroyed*
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Postby Forsher » Tue May 18, 2021 11:10 pm

Corrian wrote:"Serious primary challenge"

*Primary challenge gets destroyed*


What was the information available prior to the "result"?
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Postby Myrensis » Tue May 18, 2021 11:36 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Hes not going to jail Blueanon lol


What in the fuck is blue anon?


Like 'alt-left', it's a term conservatives made up to push their usual bothsame narrative.

Sure, the Republican base is dominated by nutjobs who think Biden used Jewish space lasers to set America on fire to distract everyone from his caravans of Venezuelan cyber hackers stealing the election, and the party is being purged of elected officials and leaders who refuse to worship at the altar of Trump...but look! Here's a liberal on Twitter with 23 followers who said something dumb! So as you can see, both parties are the same and it's totally unfair to keep judging Republicans for it!
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Postby Uiiop » Tue May 18, 2021 11:38 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
What in the fuck is blue anon?


Like 'alt-left', it's a term conservatives made up to push their usual bothsame narrative.

Sure, the Republican base is dominated by nutjobs who think Biden used Jewish space lasers to set America on fire to distract everyone from his caravans of Venezuelan cyber hackers stealing the election, and the party is being purged of elected officials and leaders who refuse to worship to worship at the altar of Trump...but look! Here's a liberal on Twitter with 23 followers who said something dumb! So as you can see, both parties are the same and it's totally unfair to keep judging Republicans for it!

Love to obsessively look at every stupid tweet randos say and hypocritically demand it canceled by anyone with a similar ideology . /s
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Postby Albrenia » Tue May 18, 2021 11:42 pm

Would be lovely if Trump got convicted for his misdeeds, but I doubt it will happen. It's not likely, but not impossible either.

More likely is financial ruin, but even that isn't more likely than not since his base are more than willing to pour endless streams of cash into his wallet for nothing.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue May 18, 2021 11:58 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
What in the fuck is blue anon?


Like 'alt-left', it's a term conservatives made up to push their usual bothsame narrative.

Sure, the Republican base is dominated by nutjobs who think Biden used Jewish space lasers to set America on fire to distract everyone from his caravans of Venezuelan cyber hackers stealing the election, and the party is being purged of elected officials and leaders who refuse to worship at the altar of Trump...but look! Here's a liberal on Twitter with 23 followers who said something dumb! So as you can see, both parties are the same and it's totally unfair to keep judging Republicans for it!


I actually can get behind that reasoning - but the obvious conclusion is ofc to cancel both of those parties :P
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Postby Page » Wed May 19, 2021 12:13 am

Kowani wrote:Fox asks Delaware court to dismiss $1.6 Billion defamation lawsuit filed by Dominion alleging the network spread lies about its voting machines, arguing it's protected by the First Amendment

Fox News has asked a Delaware court to dismiss a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit brought against it by Dominion Voting Systems over the network's coverage of the 2020 vote count, arguing it "threatens to stifle the media's free-speech right to inform the public about newsworthy allegations of paramount public concern."

Dominion filed its suit in March saying that Fox News personalities spread lies on air about its voting machines and software that "recklessly disregarded the truth" and resulted in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

In its filing to dismiss the suit on Tuesday, Fox News said it was within the bounds of the First Amendment to air the claims about Dominion and that the company has failed to back up its allegations of "actual malice."

"The news media has the right in a democracy to inform citizens by reporting and commenting on a President's allegations challenging the security of our elections," court documents state.

The conservative cable news outlet also alleges it "truthfully" sought to present the public with both sides of the legal dispute led by former President Donald Trump and his legal team, as it contested the outcome of the election. "Fox hosts responsibly covered the controversy, repeatedly pressing the President's attorneys, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, for evidence substantiating their allegations," the network stated, noting that Dominion agreed to appear on air to dispute the claims. The 61-page document cites an earlier court case against Dominion that is still pending, in which some Georgia voters alleged the company's voting machines produce "unaccountable, unverifying" results. "Fox hosts did not create allegations against Dominion, which predate the November 2020 election," the filing says.


I still gotta say, if I were a juror in this case, I don't think I'd be inclined to award Dominion huge damages because it's an evil, sinister sounding name!

Fox News and OANN have some fault for their reputation being ruined but whoever named the company has fault too, they brought this on themselves.

And this comes shortly after the Democratic primary scandal with a company called Shadow!

If you call your company Dominion or Shadow, people are going to think you're part of an evil conspiracy!
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Postby Blargoblarg » Wed May 19, 2021 1:58 am

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Corporate media in this country definitely isn't biased against him or anything. :roll:
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 19, 2021 2:16 am

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) opposed to January 6 commission in its current form

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told his fellow Republicans during a closed-door caucus lunch Tuesday he can't support a Jan. 6 commission in its current form, two sources familiar with his remarks tell Axios.

Senate Republicans are bracing for a House vote Wednesday. Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) opposes the commission but several Republicans are expected to buck leadership — making it more difficult for Senate Republicans to dismiss it.

McConnell made comments to his colleagues along the lines of, "There’s 41 of us who could change this, and I think we should,” according to one of the sources. A second source confirmed the nature of the comments.

When McConnell finished, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) — who's retiring in 2023 — also stood up and questioned aspects of the deal.
The senators did not indicate the deal is DOA in the Senate, the sources said, but made clear they would want to see substantive changes.
Such changes being discussed more broadly among some Republicans include ensuring the panel is truly bipartisan.
Rep. John Katko (R-N.Y.), who struck the deal with Democrats in the House, voted to impeach Trump — raising concerns among his fellow Republicans.
McConnell spoke publicly following the lunch and said he is "pushing the pause button" on the legislation, adding the GOP conference is “undecided."

He also noted the Justice Department and other congressional oversight committees are investigating the insurrection.
McConnell questioned whether a new commission would interfere with that work.
Most Republican members are wary of the commission and want to reframe the narrative away from the insurrection.

A prominent concern is that it could be weaponized to subpoena members.
There's also concerns it might alienate members of the GOP base, as well as former President Trump — who was impeached by the House for inciting the riot.
Alternatively, they recognize that if an investigation is going to take place, it's better to have a hand in investigating it than to allow Democrats to be fully in control.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed May 19, 2021 4:41 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Exactly.

I would never want to suppress anyones free speach, no matter how insanely stupid the speach in question is. But there needs to be an impartial system free of political bias that checks someones post and flags it as to be
deprioritized from entering someones feed.

We need to publicly and privately flag any and all extremist political posts and misinformation.

Anti vax, anti mask, global warming denial, flat earth, ect are stuff that needs to be contained as factuly wrong.

Derpy the problem with your suggestions is, leftist views are their Facts, right wingers views are their Facts, libertarians views are their Facts, socialists views are their Facts, Communists views are their Facts, the Persons who Fact Check are leftists, are right wingers and of all the other ideologies, they all have their own Political views, These are Real Facts, I Rest My Case.


Political views are not facts.


This mistrust or hatred of fact checkers I've seen is one of the reasons why we need to close off radical echo chambers. While of course respecting freedom of speech.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed May 19, 2021 5:07 am

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2 TO 1 MARGIN :lol2:


Tfw the crime rate was already rising in part due to the coronavirus pandemic, but somehow this is all the fault of the progressive prosecutor who just got in office and the only solution is to allow police to commit murder again.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 19, 2021 5:13 am

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San Lumen wrote:https://www.newschannel5.com/news/tennessee-to-mandate-bathroom-signs-about-transgender-use

Tennessee will become the first state in the United States to require businesses and government facilities open to the public to post a sign if they let transgender people use multiperson bathrooms, locker rooms or changing rooms associated with their gender identity.

Republican Gov. Bill Lee signed a bill Monday that represents a first-of-its-kind law. LGBTQ advocacy group the Human Rights Campaign decried the bill as discriminatory and said the required signs are “offensive and humiliating.”


Holy fuck that is evil.

And what kind of stupid shit is that anyway?

This is what I don't understand, even if you're the most transphobic person in the world and you don't give a shit about the human rights and dignity of transgender people, do you as a cisgender person accept a world in which bathroom police can demand you present your birth certificate whenever you use a public bathroom? If no you're a hypocrite and if yes you are the most pathetic creature in the universe.

Naturally the belief is that these restrictions will only ever impact other people. The leopards will never eat my face.


Uiiop wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Like 'alt-left', it's a term conservatives made up to push their usual bothsame narrative.

Sure, the Republican base is dominated by nutjobs who think Biden used Jewish space lasers to set America on fire to distract everyone from his caravans of Venezuelan cyber hackers stealing the election, and the party is being purged of elected officials and leaders who refuse to worship to worship at the altar of Trump...but look! Here's a liberal on Twitter with 23 followers who said something dumb! So as you can see, both parties are the same and it's totally unfair to keep judging Republicans for it!

Love to obsessively look at every stupid tweet randos say and hypocritically demand it canceled by anyone with a similar ideology . /s

I'm beginning to suspect that the reason some people hate Twitter is that they spend their whole day on it, exhaustively scouring people's whole history to find something to get mad at.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 19, 2021 5:55 am

Kowani wrote:Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) opposed to January 6 commission in its current form

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told his fellow Republicans during a closed-door caucus lunch Tuesday he can't support a Jan. 6 commission in its current form, two sources familiar with his remarks tell Axios.

Senate Republicans are bracing for a House vote Wednesday. Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) opposes the commission but several Republicans are expected to buck leadership — making it more difficult for Senate Republicans to dismiss it.

McConnell made comments to his colleagues along the lines of, "There’s 41 of us who could change this, and I think we should,” according to one of the sources. A second source confirmed the nature of the comments.

When McConnell finished, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) — who's retiring in 2023 — also stood up and questioned aspects of the deal.
The senators did not indicate the deal is DOA in the Senate, the sources said, but made clear they would want to see substantive changes.
Such changes being discussed more broadly among some Republicans include ensuring the panel is truly bipartisan.
Rep. John Katko (R-N.Y.), who struck the deal with Democrats in the House, voted to impeach Trump — raising concerns among his fellow Republicans.
McConnell spoke publicly following the lunch and said he is "pushing the pause button" on the legislation, adding the GOP conference is “undecided."

He also noted the Justice Department and other congressional oversight committees are investigating the insurrection.
McConnell questioned whether a new commission would interfere with that work.
Most Republican members are wary of the commission and want to reframe the narrative away from the insurrection.

A prominent concern is that it could be weaponized to subpoena members.
There's also concerns it might alienate members of the GOP base, as well as former President Trump — who was impeached by the House for inciting the riot.
Alternatively, they recognize that if an investigation is going to take place, it's better to have a hand in investigating it than to allow Democrats to be fully in control.


So he doesn't want the terrorist attack investigated because that would upset his Dear Leader. Despite the whole Law and Order platform the GOP claims to have.

More evidence the GOP is a Trumpist cult of personality.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 19, 2021 6:00 am

Corrian wrote:"Serious primary challenge"

*Primary challenge gets destroyed*


What are you referring too?

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Postby United Socialist Territories » Wed May 19, 2021 6:06 am

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Postby Juristonia » Wed May 19, 2021 6:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
Corrian wrote:"Serious primary challenge"

*Primary challenge gets destroyed*


What are you referring too?

Scroll literally one post up, Lumen.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 19, 2021 6:29 am

Myrensis wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
What in the fuck is blue anon?


Like 'alt-left', it's a term conservatives made up to push their usual bothsame narrative.

Sure, the Republican base is dominated by nutjobs who think Biden used Jewish space lasers to set America on fire to distract everyone from his caravans of Venezuelan cyber hackers stealing the election, and the party is being purged of elected officials and leaders who refuse to worship at the altar of Trump...but look! Here's a liberal on Twitter with 23 followers who said something dumb! So as you can see, both parties are the same and it's totally unfair to keep judging Republicans for it!


This accurately sums up what I've witness Fox put out, and my family, as well as what it means to be a "conservative" now.

Kowani wrote:Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) opposed to January 6 commission in its current form

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told his fellow Republicans during a closed-door caucus lunch Tuesday he can't support a Jan. 6 commission in its current form, two sources familiar with his remarks tell Axios.

Senate Republicans are bracing for a House vote Wednesday. Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) opposes the commission but several Republicans are expected to buck leadership — making it more difficult for Senate Republicans to dismiss it.

McConnell made comments to his colleagues along the lines of, "There’s 41 of us who could change this, and I think we should,” according to one of the sources. A second source confirmed the nature of the comments.

When McConnell finished, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) — who's retiring in 2023 — also stood up and questioned aspects of the deal.
The senators did not indicate the deal is DOA in the Senate, the sources said, but made clear they would want to see substantive changes.
Such changes being discussed more broadly among some Republicans include ensuring the panel is truly bipartisan.
Rep. John Katko (R-N.Y.), who struck the deal with Democrats in the House, voted to impeach Trump — raising concerns among his fellow Republicans.
McConnell spoke publicly following the lunch and said he is "pushing the pause button" on the legislation, adding the GOP conference is “undecided."

He also noted the Justice Department and other congressional oversight committees are investigating the insurrection.
McConnell questioned whether a new commission would interfere with that work.
Most Republican members are wary of the commission and want to reframe the narrative away from the insurrection.

A prominent concern is that it could be weaponized to subpoena members.
There's also concerns it might alienate members of the GOP base, as well as former President Trump — who was impeached by the House for inciting the riot.

Alternatively, they recognize that if an investigation is going to take place, it's better to have a hand in investigating it than to allow Democrats to be fully in control.


We shouldn't be surprised: it's an attack on Trump and rather than hold accountability (despite there being a few other investigations), they'll try to woe those type of voters. It's truly pathetic. Not to mention, people like McCarthy are worried they'll be subpoena: because then they will have to swear to tell the truth, and that's something they don't want to do.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 19, 2021 7:28 am

New York AG Letitia James is joining the Manhattan district attorney's office in a criminal investigation of the Trump Organization.

The Civil Investigation will continue so far as we know. The fact that Letitia's investigation now has a criminal component probably tells us they suspect criminal activity and further increases legal risk for Trump, his family, and organization. Trump also has another problem: Giuliani, who had a search warrant executed on him weeks ago as they comb through that information though Giuliani is trying to stop that.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 19, 2021 7:44 am

Zurkerx wrote:New York AG Letitia James is joining the Manhattan district attorney's office in a criminal investigation of the Trump Organization.

The Civil Investigation will continue so far as we know. The fact that Letitia's investigation now has a criminal component probably tells us they suspect criminal activity and further increases legal risk for Trump, his family, and organization. Trump also has another problem: Giuliani, who had a search warrant executed on him weeks ago as they comb through that information though Giuliani is trying to stop that.


Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him behind bars before 2024 and throwing the Republican party into utter disarray.

With this case, the SDNY and the one in Georgia i think its a matter of who indicts him first.

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Postby Kilobugya » Wed May 19, 2021 8:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:New York AG Letitia James is joining the Manhattan district attorney's office in a criminal investigation of the Trump Organization.

The Civil Investigation will continue so far as we know. The fact that Letitia's investigation now has a criminal component probably tells us they suspect criminal activity and further increases legal risk for Trump, his family, and organization. Trump also has another problem: Giuliani, who had a search warrant executed on him weeks ago as they comb through that information though Giuliani is trying to stop that.


Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him behind bars before 2024 and throwing the Republican party into utter disarray.

With this case, the SDNY and the one in Georgia i think its a matter of who indicts him first.


I would love that, but I fear he'll be able to drag the calendar for after 2024... time for the inquiry to conclude, a grand jury to indict, getting Florida to cooperate with NY/Georgia, getting him tried, ... and at every step his lawyers will do their best to slow the proceedings.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 19, 2021 8:07 am

Kilobugya wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him behind bars before 2024 and throwing the Republican party into utter disarray.

With this case, the SDNY and the one in Georgia i think its a matter of who indicts him first.


I would love that, but I fear he'll be able to drag the calendar for after 2024... time for the inquiry to conclude, a grand jury to indict, getting Florida to cooperate with NY/Georgia, getting him tried, ... and at every step his lawyers will do their best to slow the proceedings.


I don't think hes going to be able to do that.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 19, 2021 8:13 am

https://www.progressiverailroading.com/ ... nth--63518

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Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 19, 2021 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:New York AG Letitia James is joining the Manhattan district attorney's office in a criminal investigation of the Trump Organization.

The Civil Investigation will continue so far as we know. The fact that Letitia's investigation now has a criminal component probably tells us they suspect criminal activity and further increases legal risk for Trump, his family, and organization. Trump also has another problem: Giuliani, who had a search warrant executed on him weeks ago as they comb through that information though Giuliani is trying to stop that.


Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him behind bars before 2024 and throwing the Republican party into utter disarray.

With this case, the SDNY and the one in Georgia i think its a matter of who indicts him first.


Yeah, it's only a matter of time. The question then becomes is this: if Trump is indicted and eventually convicted, will the GOP abandon him? Not like they'll be able to pardon him, especially since he faces State Crimes too. That said, it seems the new litmus to become a Republican/Conservative is define absolute loyalty to Trump.

Kilobugya wrote:I would love that, but I fear he'll be able to drag the calendar for after 2024... time for the inquiry to conclude, a grand jury to indict, getting Florida to cooperate with NY/Georgia, getting him tried, ... and at every step his lawyers will do their best to slow the proceedings.


He can certainly try but I doubt he can push it that far back. Just like his other challenges, they'll get smacked down if he goes with "it's a political witch-hunt- I'm the real victim here!"

He won't win too many judges hearts with that. It would also be the case(s) of the century: seeing a former President on trial.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 19, 2021 8:43 am

https://thehill.com/policy/transportati ... -to-london

Low-cost commercial airliner JetBlue announced Wednesday that it would expand to London's Heathrow and Gatwick airports, with flights set to begin in August.

The second U.S.-London JetBlue connection will go into service next year, the company added, with flights from Boston to London set to begin in the summer of 2022.

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