North Washington Republic wrote:I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.
what lefties are those
Political Geography wrote:Senkaku wrote:Would you prefer "putschists"?
Some of them, yeah.
Yes, because violently seizing key administrative targets in the nation's capital and trying to capture lawmakers for subsequent planned public executions is rather more serious than ransacking the local Apple store or shooting some rando.
Breaking doors and windows is not a violent crime. "Seizing" consisted of entering. I'm seeing a whole lot of break and enter, some vandalism and theft, assault and battery particularly outside, and at least one serious national security violation.
...yes, that's how you take over a building. You smash open sealed entries, you force your way past the defenders, and you enter. There's nothing factually wrong about what I said, so this nitpicking comes off as rather desperately to cling onto a very particular just-so story you're telling yourself about all this, despite the facts being arrayed against you.
Anyone who entered the House chamber or anywhere else there were staff or congressers, openly armed, I'd give them the harshest treatment.
Why is everyone in this thread obsessed with giving "harsh" treatment to people?
What exactly is gained by calling some or all of the putschists "terrorists"? Do you want longer sentences, possibly served in solitary or near-solitary conditions (to prevent them communicating evil terrorist intelligence to other terrorists). Do you want them executed?
No, and I've been quite clear about the fact I don't want those things. Nothing is "gained" or lost besides our ability to describe reality as it is, an ability which we've had eroded to a considerable degree already and which I think we should try and preserve.
Anti-terrorism laws are mostly bad laws, which should not be legitimized by use.
The solution there would be to try to change those laws, rather than to pretend that terrorism does not exist and that its practitioners are in fact martyred innocents suffering only for the righteousness of their convictions or whatever the fuck.
Meanwhile, using the label freely about people who haven't even been to court yet, then saying "oh I didn't mean it legally" is a bit like calling someone a murderer because she got an abortion.
I think in this case it's more like calling someone a murderer because they killed someone in cold blood and got away with it.
There are dozens of words (like Putschist) which fit just fine in a non-legal sense. Can't we avoid the word which unwitting invokes the PATRIOT Act?
Now we can't use any word to describe someone that implies they're legally a criminal? Shall we forbid the use of the term "thief" and "rapist" and "narcotrafficker" except in the case of actual criminal convictions?
I never want to hear another "dissident leftist" complaining about "wokeness" or "cancel culture" putting discourse off limits, by the way, since apparently as soon as anyone actually makes a forthright assessment of the right-wing proto-insurgency that nearly toppled the government, you're suddenly all for using appropriately
gentle phrases, that you claim are more
respectful of people's sensitivities and
historical traumas, and don't have
problematic implications of criminality
as defined by the imperial state.