American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Punished UMN]

It was the feds, they owned the weapons and the factory. What specific type of munitions is not known but the EPA site specifies it happened because of "inadequate storage of chemical munitions on the part of the United States Army."

Ohhhhhh old facility? That is a common problem….more then people think. There is a decommissioned air base near where I live. It’s old and is a super fund clean up site. (There is a much longer story which is probably not needed here).

It’s cheaper to build something new then correct the mistakes of the past.

As for other stuff we have an established public school system which was once among the best in the state, but it is impossible to find employees for it now. Because our education achievement suffers because of that, funding gets cut (because federal and state funding is supplied on the basis of the school system showing positive results).

Ah…Yes that is a common problem for many states. We call it teaching to the test. A good foundation? Pfft. We need scores!!!!

Exactly, that's the issue, as we lose funding from people leaving to find jobs, the people who can't just pick up and leave everything behind are stuck with failing infrastructure, failing education, the latter of which gets worse because funding gets pulled as it's failing, creating a feedback loop, and a shrinking economy. Our options are basically to either pick up and leave everything behind to go live in a major city, where we'll pay more than half our incomes in rent for the rest of our lives for starvation wages, or we can stay here and lose everything anyway.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

UMN and Kowni, I'm sorry if I was rash earlier.

I'm still sick to death of anti science and Anti SJW'ism, but I didn't want to offend you guys.

I want to fix the rural south and I want to end the divide.

[Punished UMN]

Sovereign immunity.

ie

it's quite possible to sue the EPA

specifically,

Many of the environmental statutes that govern EPA actions contain provisions that allow citizens to sue EPA when EPA fails to perform an act or duty required by the statute.

I can't be sure on which statute you'd need (not a lawyer, don't know enough about your town in particular), but based on what you've said, I'd lean towards the either the CWA, SWDA, or TSCA

since, like you said, it took them until 2004 to even create a plan, i'd say that's a pretty clear example of "failure to act"

2014, not 2004, for the record. It took thirty years for them to finalize the plan, not twenty.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

okay
see
UMN's point is, i think, too sympathetic to rural areas' point of view
but liberal stereotypes of rural areas is, if nothing else, not helpful
it does nothing but help continue the cycle of perpetual hatred and division


that's not how economics works

I do have to agree on this.

But another part of my brain is screaming at me to counter this anti sjwism.

I am beyond sick of this. I am beyond sick of Trumpism.

I hope there is a way for the rural areas to get reinvigorated economies, I don't hate them really. I don't want to hate anyone on the right wing.

But as long as the redneck anti science continues I'm just going to get more tired.

The thing I hate about the post Trump world is how conflicted I feel. On one hand when I say I stand for working class interests, that means I have to include working class Trump supporters too, who make up half of the people in my community, but on the other hand many of these same people hate me for my race and for my political views. It's tricky. And I'm feeling tired as well.

[Washington Resistance Army]

UMN and Kowni, I'm sorry if I was rash earlier.

I'm still sick to death of anti science and Anti SJW'ism, but I didn't want to offend you guys.

I want to fix the rural south and I want to end the divide.

The underlined is genuinely not possible, it hasn't been for a pretty long time.

[Kowani]

Ohhhhhh old facility? That is a common problem….more then people think. There is a decommissioned air base near where I live. It’s old and is a super fund clean up site. (There is a much longer story which is probably not needed here).

It’s cheaper to build something new then correct the mistakes of the past.



Ah…Yes that is a common problem for many states. We call it teaching to the test. A good foundation? Pfft. We need scores!!!!

Exactly, that's the issue, as we lose funding from people leaving to find jobs, the people who can't just pick up and leave everything behind are stuck with failing infrastructure, failing education, the latter of which gets worse because funding gets pulled as it's failing, creating a feedback loop, and a shrinking economy. Our options are basically to either pick up and leave everything behind to go live in a major city, where we'll pay more than half our incomes in rent for the rest of our lives for starvation wages, or we can stay here and lose everything anyway.

y'all were thrown away, coño

UMN and Kowni, I'm sorry if I was rash earlier.

I'm still sick to death of anti science and Anti SJW'ism, but I didn't want to offend you guys.

I want to fix the rural south and I want to end the divide.

different south, originally

but we get hit with the same tropes back home regardless, so it's not something i'm unused to
and yeah, i know that dealing with the worst aspects of it can be...frustrating
especially when they lead to horrible outcomes for everyone else
but we don't get anywhere by punching down on people who are struggling

ie

it's quite possible to sue the EPA

specifically,

Many of the environmental statutes that govern EPA actions contain provisions that allow citizens to sue EPA when EPA fails to perform an act or duty required by the statute.

I can't be sure on which statute you'd need (not a lawyer, don't know enough about your town in particular), but based on what you've said, I'd lean towards the either the CWA, SWDA, or TSCA

since, like you said, it took them until 2004 to even create a plan, i'd say that's a pretty clear example of "failure to act"

2014, not 2004, for the record. It took thirty years for them to finalize the plan, not twenty.

...i think that's worse

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I do have to agree on this.

But another part of my brain is screaming at me to counter this anti sjwism.

I am beyond sick of this. I am beyond sick of Trumpism.

I hope there is a way for the rural areas to get reinvigorated economies, I don't hate them really. I don't want to hate anyone on the right wing.

But as long as the redneck anti science continues I'm just going to get more tired.

The thing I hate about the post Trump world is how conflicted I feel. On one hand when I say I stand for working class interests, that means I have to include working class Trump supporters too, who make up half of the people in my community, but on the other hand many of these same people hate me for my race and for my political views. It's tricky. And I'm feeling tired as well.

Overall, we need to reincorporate those working class Trump supporters to our side.

But the problem is, exactly how to do that when they are deep into the anti sjw echo chambers?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

UMN and Kowni, I'm sorry if I was rash earlier.

I'm still sick to death of anti science and Anti SJW'ism, but I didn't want to offend you guys.

I want to fix the rural south and I want to end the divide.

The underlined is genuinely not possible, it hasn't been for a pretty long time.

You really don't believe there can be peace?

[The Black Forrest]

It’s not just the government. Cheaper work force for example. It’s also the view on extreme profit. “What do you mean I have to reduce my pollution levels?!?”

Depending on the work at the factory; it might also have been the type and skills of the work force needed.

...if your anger was about reducing pollution levels, why would you move from Tennessee to Illinois
not exactly a smart decision there

I was speaking in general. Regulations, etc., are often sited for lost income.

As to the munitions factory? Might still have been the environmental issue. Cleaning up a facility if it predates regulations, it very expensive thus people want to avoid it rather then do the right thing.

I really can’t speak for the lost facility as I don’t know the details.

All I am saying it’s not always evil government. Before I joined the evil DOD; I worked at a certain areodefense company. They had a history of going into small towns for a project knowing full well it would end. During the project times; it was good. People started buying property, etc. They failed to mention this was never planned to be an ongoing thing. It will shutdown and we will leave. People got screwed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The underlined is genuinely not possible, it hasn't been for a pretty long time.

You really don't believe there can be peace?

No. Not after Trump, and he wasn't even the root cause, he's just another symptom.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You really don't believe there can be peace?

No. Not after Trump, and he wasn't even the root cause, he's just another symptom.

Idk that seems kind of hopeless. Me and the Trump fans aren't exactly on good terms and I still hold out hope that maybe this division will one day be a thing of the past.

[Kowani]

The thing I hate about the post Trump world is how conflicted I feel. On one hand when I say I stand for working class interests, that means I have to include working class Trump supporters too, who make up half of the people in my community, but on the other hand many of these same people hate me for my race and for my political views. It's tricky. And I'm feeling tired as well.

Overall, we need to reincorporate those working class Trump supporters to our side.

But the problem is, exactly how to do that when they are deep into the anti sjw echo chambers?

i have a plan
it's just unconstitutional

[Loeje]

The thing I hate about the post Trump world is how conflicted I feel. On one hand when I say I stand for working class interests, that means I have to include working class Trump supporters too, who make up half of the people in my community, but on the other hand many of these same people hate me for my race and for my political views. It's tricky. And I'm feeling tired as well.

Overall, we need to reincorporate those working class Trump supporters to our side.

But the problem is, exactly how to do that when they are deep into the anti sjw echo chambers?

Caring about their problems might be a good start.

[Punished UMN]

I also want to say that urban areas have it pretty fucking bad too. My "what's your shining city on a hill?" comment was intended to bring up that the government and businesses are destroying large parts of the urban population as well, often with similar means. Think of the Southside of Chicago or Flint. It's not necessarily an urban vs rural thing, but there is a cadre of urban liberal intelligentsia that only really cares about wealthy (predominantly white) neighborhoods in major cities. A lot of times urban folk in-general get caught up in that dispute, but it's really only a handful of you and that's why it is infuriating to see a lot of poor urban liberals denounce us when the real enemy is in your business districts.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No. Not after Trump, and he wasn't even the root cause, he's just another symptom.

Idk that seems kind of hopeless. Me and the Trump fans aren't exactly on good terms and I still hold out hope that maybe this division will one day be a thing of the past.

A not insignificant amount of Trump fans think you're an active participant in the white genocide. You can't reason with or have peace with such people, it's simply impossible to have a civil society when beliefs like that are prevalent.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Overall, we need to reincorporate those working class Trump supporters to our side.

But the problem is, exactly how to do that when they are deep into the anti sjw echo chambers?

i have a plan
it's just unconstitutional

Oh no, we brought the tankie out in Kowani.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Overall, we need to reincorporate those working class Trump supporters to our side.

But the problem is, exactly how to do that when they are deep into the anti sjw echo chambers?

i have a plan
it's just unconstitutional

Arrest them all?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

i have a plan
it's just unconstitutional

Arrest them all?

We trick them into thinking Ben Shapiro is having a meet and greet at Jeepers and when they all crowd in there, we lock the doors and board the windows up so they can't escape. And then...

...why isn't anything else written on the plan?

[Esthe]

That... still doesn't make sense.

If it's a worldwide resource for that now (which, as a complete aside, sounds like a damn good idea because of how fast bamboo grows, just saying), then it would appear in various places regardless of where the printing occurred, since paper stock is now sent worldwide from everywhere.

A neighbor of mine when I was a kid had an entire grove of bamboo in their yard. They kept trying to get rid of it and it kept coming back.

Did he ever manage to get rid of it?

Also, sorry that I keep threadjacking this and the COVID thread, I would find news but everyone gets to it before me.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

different south, originally

but we get hit with the same tropes back home regardless, so it's not something i'm unused to
and yeah, i know that dealing with the worst aspects of it can be...frustrating
especially when they lead to horrible outcomes for everyone else
but we don't get anywhere by punching down on people who are struggling

We don't get anywhere like this, but with my IRL step family being in the Rural north and every time we get together one of my step uncles shits out his "MEDIA BAD TRUMP GOOD" bollox.

We have an argument every time over it.

Seeing the Anti sjwism in real life and the utter nonsense that was the gamergate/Trump campaign made me even more angry at the right wing.

Trump's presidency just accelerated this anger.

COVID and the terrorst attack just pushed me over the edge.

[The Black Forrest]

That... still doesn't make sense.

If it's a worldwide resource for that now (which, as a complete aside, sounds like a damn good idea because of how fast bamboo grows, just saying), then it would appear in various places regardless of where the printing occurred, since paper stock is now sent worldwide from everywhere.

A neighbor of mine when I was a kid had an entire grove of bamboo in their yard. They kept trying to get rid of it and it kept coming back.

I had that too in one place I lived. Bamboo just won’t die.

Gallo: If I would make a SWAG; I would say the person behind the audit request is a trumpet and the argument presented plays in the China is bad (“China virus”) smokescreen the ex-president loved to use. They aren’t looking to prove these ballots came from Asia; just the usual attack on the democratic system by suggesting it’s not safe…..

[Borderlands of Rojava]

A neighbor of mine when I was a kid had an entire grove of bamboo in their yard. They kept trying to get rid of it and it kept coming back.

I had that too in one place I lived. Bamboo just won’t die.

Gallo: If I would make a SWAG; I would say the person behind the audit request is a trumpet and the argument presented plays in the China is bad (“China virus”) smokescreen the ex-president loved to use. They aren’t looking to prove these ballots came from Asia; just the usual attack on the democratic system by suggesting it’s not safe…..

The cider mill near my house is infested with bamboo.

[Drew Durrnil]

A neighbor of mine when I was a kid had an entire grove of bamboo in their yard. They kept trying to get rid of it and it kept coming back.

Did he ever manage to get rid of it?

Also, sorry that I keep threadjacking this and the COVID thread, I would find news but everyone gets to it before me.

"Everyone" meaning Kowani

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Did he ever manage to get rid of it?

Also, sorry that I keep threadjacking this and the COVID thread, I would find news but everyone gets to it before me.

"Everyone" meaning Kowani

Kowani is everyone. You are Kowani, I am Kowani, he is Kowani, Kowani is the universe.

[Senkaku]

No. Not after Trump, and he wasn't even the root cause, he's just another symptom.

Idk that seems kind of hopeless. Me and the Trump fans aren't exactly on good terms and I still hold out hope that maybe this division will one day be a thing of the past.

That may one day be the case, but unfortunately I suspect it won’t be for the reasons anyone is hoping for.