American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[San Lumen]

Try not having your economy be based on one industry and stop treating urban areas like the enemy.

They are the enemy, because they take our tax dollars so that we can't have even basic infrastructure. And a lot of times we have no choice but to rely on single industries. What are we supposed to do when the government pulls funding for a factory that employs 40% of the town's population and relocates it to Chicago? What about when the government just refuses to help our infrastructure or education? Just conjure up our tax dollars, which go primarily to the state and then to the major cities? We're not even allowed to use our own money for our own problems.

Because that’s how tax money works. Your not the only county In the state. Your tax money shouldn’t go to state highways or other major projects?

The factory also chose to leave.

Are you also suggesting you get more representation than your population allows or have system where you must win a majority of counties to win statewide office?

[Punished UMN]

Large parts of the rural south (including my own town) don't have modern plumbing, we don't get state education funding, any industry that supports a living wage is relocated to major cities. The population of my town has declined from over ten thousand to less than six thousand in only a decade, primarily because the government relocated their factory to an urban area. Didn't help that the feds dumped chemical weapons in our water supply.

That is all wrong.

I want to get the working class more money in the rural south, but I just want this anti science insanity to end.

It's all wrong based on whose authority? Yours? I take it you know a lot about drinking water supply in my town?

[Punished UMN]

They are the enemy, because they take our tax dollars so that we can't have even basic infrastructure. And a lot of times we have no choice but to rely on single industries. What are we supposed to do when the government pulls funding for a factory that employs 40% of the town's population and relocates it to Chicago? What about when the government just refuses to help our infrastructure or education? Just conjure up our tax dollars, which go primarily to the state and then to the major cities? We're not even allowed to use our own money for our own problems.

Because that’s how tax money works. Your not the only county In the state. Your tax money shouldn’t go to state highways or other major projects?

The factory also chose to leave.

The factory didn't choose to leave, the people who own the factory chose to leave.

[San Lumen]

Because that’s how tax money works. Your not the only county In the state. Your tax money shouldn’t go to state highways or other major projects?

The factory also chose to leave.

The factory didn't choose to leave, the people who own the factory chose to leave.

And what do you suggest happen instead?

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm? You might want to back those claims with examples.

Large parts of the rural south (including my own town) don't have modern plumbing,

That is an interesting topic. The US ingeneral has much that can be done with sewage and water systems. It’s not pursued as it’s not sexy.

As to plumbing? That falls under capitalist mentality in general. Why would you want to spend a great deal of money building an infrastructure for a small amount of people.

we don't get state education funding,

Hmmm. What is the population? Do they have an established public school? Are they all about home schooling?

-edit-

I saw the population count later on. I am surprised there is no state funding. You don’t have public schools?

any industry that supports a living wage is relocated to major cities.

That’s more of the business choice then democrats or republicans. More access to people for works and customers. Education too it can be a vicious cycle for the rural people.

Tangent: I have a friend who retired from google at a young age (nice way to say he is loaded). He is in Africa teaching programing to village children. Some of his earliest students are now finding jobs.

This is where a “real” government should be involved. If we want to greatly reduce if not eliminate coal. It should be a phased out approach with retraining. The problem? Not exactly an area the free market likes. Quick profit. Long term investment?……o

The population of my town has declined from over ten thousand to less than six thousand in only a decade, primarily because the government relocated their factory to an urban area. Didn't help that the feds dumped chemical weapons in our water supply.

The feds? Or was it your community minded business people?

What chemicals did the feds dump?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The factory didn't choose to leave, the people who own the factory chose to leave.

And what do you suggest happen instead?

Socialism.

[Kowani]

that's not how economics works

No, Kow, we will rebuild our economy with sheer gumption, we don't need things like funding for plumbing or electricity from capital monopolies.

liberal bootstrap theory saves the day!
i do feel your pain, though, my native andalucia has seen all its jobs move up north while our infrastructure gets nothing from the central government
we're living off tourism and that's it

They are the enemy, because they take our tax dollars so that we can't have even basic infrastructure. And a lot of times we have no choice but to rely on single industries. What are we supposed to do when the government pulls funding for a factory that employs 40% of the town's population and relocates it to Chicago? What about when the government just refuses to help our infrastructure or education? Just conjure up our tax dollars, which go primarily to the state and then to the major cities? We're not even allowed to use our own money for our own problems.

Because that’s how tax money works. Your not the only county In the state. Your tax money shouldn’t go to state highways or other major projects?

The factory also chose to leave.

Are you also suggesting you get more representation than your population allows or have system where you must win a majority of counties to win statewide office?

the factories have been encouraged to leave by government policies over generations
it's not just "i like chicago better lmao lemme move there"

[The Black Forrest]

Cool. So when are they going to stop with the libtard/snowflake/etc/etc/etc?

you have entirely missed the point of what i was saying

Not at all. The problem can’t be resolved when each side expects the other to stop first.

[Punished UMN]

Large parts of the rural south (including my own town) don't have modern plumbing,

That is an interesting topic. The US ingeneral has much that can be done with sewage and water systems. It’s not pursued as it’s not sexy.

As to plumbing? That falls under capitalist mentality in general. Why would you want to spend a great deal of money building an infrastructure for a small amount of people.

we don't get state education funding,

Hmmm. What is the population? Do they have an established public school? Are they all about home schooling?

any industry that supports a living wage is relocated to major cities.

That’s more of the business choice then democrats or republicans. More access to people for works and customers. Education too it can be a vicious cycle for the rural people.

Tangent: I have a friend who retired from google at a young age (nice way to say he is loaded). He is in Africa teaching programing to village children. Some of his earliest students are now finding jobs.

This is where a “real” government should be involved. If we want to greatly reduce if not eliminate coal. It should be a phased out approach with retraining. The problem? Not exactly an area the free market likes. Quick profit. Long term investment?……o

The population of my town has declined from over ten thousand to less than six thousand in only a decade, primarily because the government relocated their factory to an urban area. Didn't help that the feds dumped chemical weapons in our water supply.

The feds? Or was it your community minded business people?

What chemicals did the feds dump?

It was the feds, they owned the weapons and the factory. What specific type of munitions is not known but the EPA site specifies it happened because of "inadequate storage of chemical munitions on the part of the United States Army."

As for other stuff we have an established public school system which was once among the best in the state, but it is impossible to find employees for it now. Because our education achievement suffers because of that, funding gets cut (because federal and state funding is supplied on the basis of the school system showing positive results).

[Punished UMN]

And what do you suggest happen instead?

Socialism.

Was gonna write a more in-depth response but this essentially captures the essence of what I was planning to say.

[Kowani]

Actually, UMN, you might have some good news on the plumbing front-the Senate recently passed a bill authorizing more than $35 billion for drinking water and wastewater treatment infrastructure projects

i don't think it goes far enough, but there's more on the way in biden's infrastructure bill (if that ever goes through)

[The Black Forrest]

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the factories have been encouraged to leave by government policies over generations
it's not just "i like chicago better lmao lemme move there"

It’s not just the government. Cheaper work force for example. It’s also the view on extreme profit. “What do you mean I have to reduce my pollution levels?!?”

Depending on the work at the factory; it might also have been the type and skills of the work force needed.

[San Lumen]

Socialism.

Was gonna write a more in-depth response but this essentially captures the essence of what I was planning to say.

How about you elect socialists to office from your area?

[Punished UMN]

Actually, UMN, you might have some good news on the plumbing front-the Senate recently passed a bill authorizing more than $35 billion for drinking water and wastewater treatment infrastructure projects

i don't think it goes far enough, but there's more on the way in biden's infrastructure bill (if that ever goes through)

I don't have too much hope for it. The EPA put us on the list of health and safety emergencies in 1984, but it wasn't until 2014 that they announced any kind of plan for potential solutions.

[Punished UMN]

Was gonna write a more in-depth response but this essentially captures the essence of what I was planning to say.

How about you elect socialists to office from your area?

And what would they do about it exactly?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Was gonna write a more in-depth response but this essentially captures the essence of what I was planning to say.

How about you elect socialists to office from your area?

That does nothing to fix the problem.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

That is all wrong.

I want to get the working class more money in the rural south, but I just want this anti science insanity to end.

It's all wrong based on whose authority? Yours? I take it you know a lot about drinking water supply in my town?

Not on my authority, just a moral judgment. Chemical weapons in anyone's water supply is a bad thing to do.

I do have to agree on this.

But another part of my brain is screaming at me to counter this anti sjwism.

I am beyond sick of this. I am beyond sick of Trumpism.

I hope there is a way for the rural areas to get reinvigorated economies, I don't hate them really. I don't want to hate anyone on the right wing.

But as long as the redneck anti science continues I'm just going to get more tired.

The problems of the world have little to do with "anti science" and a lot more to do with that business interests are opposed to the interests of the public. Businesses have a monopoly on work and are rigging the economy to maximize profit, and that means the destruction of the public's ability to accumulate wealth, because any wealth the public can accumulate is wealth that is not being spent on the products of business and therefore not being spent on financial investment.

Except for flat earthers killing themselves to ""prove"" that flat earth is a ""real thing"". The return of childhood diseases that where killed off by vaccinations. COVID hurting your economy being extended by retards who refuse to get vaccinated or put on a mask. The denial of global warming leading to mass extinctions and damaging other rural southern states like Louisiana and Florida.

Yes, the businesses are rigging the economy at the expense of your standard of living so that the board and executives can afford there 14th golden jewel encrusted Ferrari that given week.

We need to Trust bust the system and give the working class a living pay while eliminating high medical bills.

[The Black Forrest]

Actually, UMN, you might have some good news on the plumbing front-the Senate recently passed a bill authorizing more than $35 billion for drinking water and wastewater treatment infrastructure projects

i don't think it goes far enough, but there's more on the way in biden's infrastructure bill (if that ever goes through)

It’s the right idea and as you pointed out it doesn’t go far enough.

The problem for UMN? I could see that money going to where it will have the larger impact. Population centers…..

[Kowani]

[
the factories have been encouraged to leave by government policies over generations
it's not just "i like chicago better lmao lemme move there"

It’s not just the government. Cheaper work force for example. It’s also the view on extreme profit. “What do you mean I have to reduce my pollution levels?!?”

Depending on the work at the factory; it might also have been the type and skills of the work force needed.

...if your anger was about reducing pollution levels, why would you move from Tennessee to Illinois
not exactly a smart decision there

Actually, UMN, you might have some good news on the plumbing front-the Senate recently passed a bill authorizing more than $35 billion for drinking water and wastewater treatment infrastructure projects

i don't think it goes far enough, but there's more on the way in biden's infrastructure bill (if that ever goes through)

I don't have too much hope for it. The EPA put us on the list of health and safety emergencies in 1984, but it wasn't until 2014 that they announced any kind of plan for potential solutions.

...
i think you have a good case to sue, with that kind of neglect
that's just
jfc

[Punished UMN]

It’s not just the government. Cheaper work force for example. It’s also the view on extreme profit. “What do you mean I have to reduce my pollution levels?!?”

Depending on the work at the factory; it might also have been the type and skills of the work force needed.

...if your anger was about reducing pollution levels, why would you move from Tennessee to Illinois
not exactly a smart decision there

I don't have too much hope for it. The EPA put us on the list of health and safety emergencies in 1984, but it wasn't until 2014 that they announced any kind of plan for potential solutions.

...
i think you have a good case to sue, with that kind of neglect
that's just
jfc

Sovereign immunity.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Actually, UMN, you might have some good news on the plumbing front-the Senate recently passed a bill authorizing more than $35 billion for drinking water and wastewater treatment infrastructure projects

i don't think it goes far enough, but there's more on the way in biden's infrastructure bill (if that ever goes through)

I don't have too much hope for it. The EPA put us on the list of health and safety emergencies in 1984, but it wasn't until 2014 that they announced any kind of plan for potential solutions.

Then Trump gutted the EPA when he took office so that took away your solutions.

You have a right to be angry. The only way to fix this is for out reach and infrastructure to come to you.

[The Black Forrest]

That is an interesting topic. The US ingeneral has much that can be done with sewage and water systems. It’s not pursued as it’s not sexy.

As to plumbing? That falls under capitalist mentality in general. Why would you want to spend a great deal of money building an infrastructure for a small amount of people.



Hmmm. What is the population? Do they have an established public school? Are they all about home schooling?



That’s more of the business choice then democrats or republicans. More access to people for works and customers. Education too it can be a vicious cycle for the rural people.

Tangent: I have a friend who retired from google at a young age (nice way to say he is loaded). He is in Africa teaching programing to village children. Some of his earliest students are now finding jobs.

This is where a “real” government should be involved. If we want to greatly reduce if not eliminate coal. It should be a phased out approach with retraining. The problem? Not exactly an area the free market likes. Quick profit. Long term investment?……o



The feds? Or was it your community minded business people?

What chemicals did the feds dump?

It was the feds, they owned the weapons and the factory. What specific type of munitions is not known but the EPA site specifies it happened because of "inadequate storage of chemical munitions on the part of the United States Army."

Ohhhhhh old facility? That is a common problem….more then people think. There is a decommissioned air base near where I live. It’s old and is a super fund clean up site. (There is a much longer story which is probably not needed here).

It’s cheaper to build something new then correct the mistakes of the past.

As for other stuff we have an established public school system which was once among the best in the state, but it is impossible to find employees for it now. Because our education achievement suffers because of that, funding gets cut (because federal and state funding is supplied on the basis of the school system showing positive results).

Ah…Yes that is a common problem for many states. We call it teaching to the test. A good foundation? Pfft. We need scores!!!!

[Punished UMN]

I don't have too much hope for it. The EPA put us on the list of health and safety emergencies in 1984, but it wasn't until 2014 that they announced any kind of plan for potential solutions.

Then Trump gutted the EPA when he took office so that took away your solutions.

You have a right to be angry. The only way to fix this is for out reach and infrastructure to come to you.

That's part of the issue though, we don't have the clout for that. There's only so much money, how can 5500 compete with millions?

[Kowani]

...if your anger was about reducing pollution levels, why would you move from Tennessee to Illinois
not exactly a smart decision there


...
i think you have a good case to sue, with that kind of neglect
that's just
jfc

Sovereign immunity.

ie

it's quite possible to sue the EPA

specifically,

Many of the environmental statutes that govern EPA actions contain provisions that allow citizens to sue EPA when EPA fails to perform an act or duty required by the statute.

I can't be sure on which statute you'd need (not a lawyer, don't know enough about your town in particular), but based on what you've said, I'd lean towards the either the CWA, SWDA, or TSCA

since, like you said, it took them until 2004 to even create a plan, i'd say that's a pretty clear example of "failure to act"

[Neutraligon]

Actually it kind of does make sense when you think about bamboo becoming more of a resource for pulping and paper making.

If there was a block of ballots which happened to use bamboo? AHHHHH SEEEEEE VOTER FRAUUUUD!!!!!

https://bioresources.cnr.ncsu.edu/resou ... permaking/

Even then; they filed 80 frivolous law suits over the election so frivolous claims for audits are going to happen.

That... still doesn't make sense.

If it's a worldwide resource for that now (which, as a complete aside, sounds like a damn good idea because of how fast bamboo grows, just saying), then it would appear in various places regardless of where the printing occurred, since paper stock is now sent worldwide from everywhere.

A neighbor of mine when I was a kid had an entire grove of bamboo in their yard. They kept trying to get rid of it and it kept coming back.