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Postby Xmara » Wed May 05, 2021 6:54 pm

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Who the fuck what. Who the fuck in Asia is... Making ballots?

MAYBE LOOK FOR BALLOTS WRITTEN IN CHINESE OR THAI THEN LIKE?


"These ballots look suspicious, boss. Is General Secretary Xi even resident in the US?"

"Sir, can you translate that for me?"

"I think it's supposed to say 'Joe Biden,' but these appear to be the characters for 'lunch special.'"
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 05, 2021 7:08 pm

In true California recall circus fashion, there is a candidate touring with a live bear

Businessman John Cox is gearing up for another race against his former gubernatorial rival, Gavin Newsom, and this time the Republican candidate wants people to “meet the beast” — literally.

Cox’s campaign launched its Meet the Beast Bus Tour Tuesday morning at Miller Regional Park in Sacramento. Cox brought a live bear with him.

Cox released a video earlier in the day referring to himself as “the beast” to the photogenic Newsom’s “beauty,” repeatedly labeling Newsom a “pretty boy” who lacks governing chops. "The bear is here for a reason, to demonstrate we’re going to need beastly changes. And that’s to cut through the media you have to get this message out and that’s what we’re going to do here,” Cox said. Though he’s hoping the bear sets him apart in an increasingly crowded field, Cox believes his previous experience running against Newsom will help.

“I got millions of votes, even though I wasn’t a career politician and I certainly wasn’t a celebrity, but you know it takes a little bit of time,” Cox told reporters.

The effort to recall Newsom was energized by anger over his handling of the pandemic, but Cox pointed to power, water and housing as other areas where he believes Newsom is failing.

Newsom paints the recall effort as the party of Donald Trump clashing with the state’s progressive values. Mr. Newsom checks all the boxes on politics. He talks a good game about diversity an inequality, but really and truly, he’s made life worse for people,” Cox said. “He’s made life more unequal in many ways. He can mouth the words real well but I would ask the voters of this state to really look at the result.”
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Postby Xmara » Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 pm

Kowani wrote:In true California recall circus fashion, there is a candidate touring with a live bear

Businessman John Cox is gearing up for another race against his former gubernatorial rival, Gavin Newsom, and this time the Republican candidate wants people to “meet the beast” — literally.

Cox’s campaign launched its Meet the Beast Bus Tour Tuesday morning at Miller Regional Park in Sacramento. Cox brought a live bear with him.

Cox released a video earlier in the day referring to himself as “the beast” to the photogenic Newsom’s “beauty,” repeatedly labeling Newsom a “pretty boy” who lacks governing chops. "The bear is here for a reason, to demonstrate we’re going to need beastly changes. And that’s to cut through the media you have to get this message out and that’s what we’re going to do here,” Cox said. Though he’s hoping the bear sets him apart in an increasingly crowded field, Cox believes his previous experience running against Newsom will help.

“I got millions of votes, even though I wasn’t a career politician and I certainly wasn’t a celebrity, but you know it takes a little bit of time,” Cox told reporters.

The effort to recall Newsom was energized by anger over his handling of the pandemic, but Cox pointed to power, water and housing as other areas where he believes Newsom is failing.

Newsom paints the recall effort as the party of Donald Trump clashing with the state’s progressive values. Mr. Newsom checks all the boxes on politics. He talks a good game about diversity an inequality, but really and truly, he’s made life worse for people,” Cox said. “He’s made life more unequal in many ways. He can mouth the words real well but I would ask the voters of this state to really look at the result.”

At this point I say we may as well decide all elections by boxing match
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Postby Xmara » Wed May 05, 2021 7:14 pm

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"I think it's supposed to say 'Joe Biden,' but these appear to be the characters for 'lunch special.'"


Oh yeah. Does red ink on a rubber stamp count as a Write-In?

We're not finished Arizona :lol:

As long as it stamps a signature and not a library book return date
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed May 05, 2021 7:42 pm

Kowani wrote:In true California recall circus fashion, there is a candidate touring with a live bear

Businessman John Cox is gearing up for another race against his former gubernatorial rival, Gavin Newsom, and this time the Republican candidate wants people to “meet the beast” — literally.

Cox’s campaign launched its Meet the Beast Bus Tour Tuesday morning at Miller Regional Park in Sacramento. Cox brought a live bear with him.

Cox released a video earlier in the day referring to himself as “the beast” to the photogenic Newsom’s “beauty,” repeatedly labeling Newsom a “pretty boy” who lacks governing chops. "The bear is here for a reason, to demonstrate we’re going to need beastly changes. And that’s to cut through the media you have to get this message out and that’s what we’re going to do here,” Cox said. Though he’s hoping the bear sets him apart in an increasingly crowded field, Cox believes his previous experience running against Newsom will help.

“I got millions of votes, even though I wasn’t a career politician and I certainly wasn’t a celebrity, but you know it takes a little bit of time,” Cox told reporters.

The effort to recall Newsom was energized by anger over his handling of the pandemic, but Cox pointed to power, water and housing as other areas where he believes Newsom is failing.

Newsom paints the recall effort as the party of Donald Trump clashing with the state’s progressive values. Mr. Newsom checks all the boxes on politics. He talks a good game about diversity an inequality, but really and truly, he’s made life worse for people,” Cox said. “He’s made life more unequal in many ways. He can mouth the words real well but I would ask the voters of this state to really look at the result.”

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Postby Immortan Khan » Wed May 05, 2021 7:45 pm

The best candidate in the California recall election is Kevin Paffrath.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 05, 2021 8:31 pm

https://apnews.com/article/south-caroli ... SocialFlow

South Carolina House has voted to add a firing squad to execution methods. The House voted 66-43 in favor. It will require condemned inmates to choose either being shot or electrocuted if lethal injection drugs aren’t available. The state is one of only nine to still use the electric chair and will become only the fourth to allow a firing squad.

It passed the Senate in March by a vote of 32-11.

The House only made minor technical changes to that version, meaning that after a routine final vote in the House and a signoff by the Senate, it will go to Republican Gov. Henry McMaster, who has said he will sign it.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 05, 2021 8:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://apnews.com/article/south-carolina-executions-a6bbef9c9a85b248f5bc7c0c57ad0cbe?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

South Carolina House has voted to add a firing squad to execution methods. The House voted 66-43 in favor. It will require condemned inmates to choose either being shot or electrocuted if lethal injection drugs aren’t available. The state is one of only nine to still use the electric chair and will become only the fourth to allow a firing squad.

It passed the Senate in March by a vote of 32-11.

The House only made minor technical changes to that version, meaning that after a routine final vote in the House and a signoff by the Senate, it will go to Republican Gov. Henry McMaster, who has said he will sign it.


This kind of stuff is really revelatory on how pointless executions are.

What's the point of this? It's not exactly a real choice... But yeah, I guess the USA is all about customer satisfaction, fucking hell.

Considering how expensive executing someone is, just go for the cheapest option while also attempting some superficial humaneness.

It says a lot about this that sometimes humane executions go horrifically wrong.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 05, 2021 8:38 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://apnews.com/article/south-carolina-executions-a6bbef9c9a85b248f5bc7c0c57ad0cbe?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

South Carolina House has voted to add a firing squad to execution methods. The House voted 66-43 in favor. It will require condemned inmates to choose either being shot or electrocuted if lethal injection drugs aren’t available. The state is one of only nine to still use the electric chair and will become only the fourth to allow a firing squad.

It passed the Senate in March by a vote of 32-11.

The House only made minor technical changes to that version, meaning that after a routine final vote in the House and a signoff by the Senate, it will go to Republican Gov. Henry McMaster, who has said he will sign it.


This kind of stuff is really revelatory on how pointless executions are.

What's the point of this? It's not exactly a real choice... But yeah, I guess the USA is all about customer satisfaction, fucking hell.

Considering how expensive executing someone is, just go for the cheapest option while also attempting some superficial humaneness.

It says a lot about this that sometimes humane executions go horrifically wrong.

capital punishment should be outlawed entirely. My state doesn't have the death penalty.

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Postby Immortan Khan » Wed May 05, 2021 8:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://apnews.com/article/south-carolina-executions-a6bbef9c9a85b248f5bc7c0c57ad0cbe?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

South Carolina House has voted to add a firing squad to execution methods. The House voted 66-43 in favor. It will require condemned inmates to choose either being shot or electrocuted if lethal injection drugs aren’t available. The state is one of only nine to still use the electric chair and will become only the fourth to allow a firing squad.

It passed the Senate in March by a vote of 32-11.

The House only made minor technical changes to that version, meaning that after a routine final vote in the House and a signoff by the Senate, it will go to Republican Gov. Henry McMaster, who has said he will sign it.

Tbh the firing squad isn't any more or less humane than lethal injection.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 05, 2021 8:51 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://apnews.com/article/south-carolina-executions-a6bbef9c9a85b248f5bc7c0c57ad0cbe?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

South Carolina House has voted to add a firing squad to execution methods. The House voted 66-43 in favor. It will require condemned inmates to choose either being shot or electrocuted if lethal injection drugs aren’t available. The state is one of only nine to still use the electric chair and will become only the fourth to allow a firing squad.

It passed the Senate in March by a vote of 32-11.

The House only made minor technical changes to that version, meaning that after a routine final vote in the House and a signoff by the Senate, it will go to Republican Gov. Henry McMaster, who has said he will sign it.

Tbh the firing squad isn't any more or less humane than lethal injection.


The death penalty as a whole is inhumane and should be outlawed.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed May 05, 2021 9:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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This kind of stuff is really revelatory on how pointless executions are.

What's the point of this? It's not exactly a real choice... But yeah, I guess the USA is all about customer satisfaction, fucking hell.

Considering how expensive executing someone is, just go for the cheapest option while also attempting some superficial humaneness.

It says a lot about this that sometimes humane executions go horrifically wrong.

capital punishment should be outlawed entirely. My state doesn't have the death penalty.


I disagree. Certain crimes require the death penalty, including crimes not resulting in a death. Such as child rape and attempted sedition, like we saw on January 6.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 05, 2021 9:02 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://apnews.com/article/south-carolina-executions-a6bbef9c9a85b248f5bc7c0c57ad0cbe?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

South Carolina House has voted to add a firing squad to execution methods. The House voted 66-43 in favor. It will require condemned inmates to choose either being shot or electrocuted if lethal injection drugs aren’t available. The state is one of only nine to still use the electric chair and will become only the fourth to allow a firing squad.

It passed the Senate in March by a vote of 32-11.

The House only made minor technical changes to that version, meaning that after a routine final vote in the House and a signoff by the Senate, it will go to Republican Gov. Henry McMaster, who has said he will sign it.

Tbh the firing squad isn't any more or less humane than lethal injection.


Republican legislators aren't exactly complex in their reasoning. There's a small cadre of possible reasons as to why this legislation was passed: either some misguided attribution of honorable death, because they believe firing squads are cheaper somehow (doesn't do anything for court costs), or they disagree with you and see firing squads are less humane and they prefer it that way because people who are lined up for execution don't deserve humaneness, blah blah blah.

None of them are good reasons, most likely.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 05, 2021 9:03 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:capital punishment should be outlawed entirely. My state doesn't have the death penalty.


I disagree. Certain crimes require the death penalty, including crimes not resulting in a death. Such as child rape and attempted sedition, like we saw on January 6.


No let them spend life behind bars. The government should not be involved in executions. The death penalty is morally and ethically wrong.

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Wed May 05, 2021 9:20 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:capital punishment should be outlawed entirely. My state doesn't have the death penalty.


I disagree. Certain crimes require the death penalty, including crimes not resulting in a death. Such as child rape and attempted sedition, like we saw on January 6.

No, all types of rape should deserve the death penalty if done enough times and sedition life in prison. Along with murder/the worst cases of manslaughter, those are the only things that should get the death penalty.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Wed May 05, 2021 9:27 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Tbh the firing squad isn't any more or less humane than lethal injection.


Republican legislators aren't exactly complex in their reasoning. There's a small cadre of possible reasons as to why this legislation was passed: either some misguided attribution of honorable death, because they believe firing squads are cheaper somehow (doesn't do anything for court costs), or they disagree with you and see firing squads are less humane and they prefer it that way because people who are lined up for execution don't deserve humaneness, blah blah blah.

None of them are good reasons, most likely.
There have been a number of movements to boycott the companies that make the drugs for lethal injection which at times has prevented executions from being carried out. This is most likely a response to that. After a number of those instances iirc a number of states considered bringing back other alternative forms of capital punishment. A firing squad, if done correctly, is over pretty quick which is one of the arguments in favour of it I believe.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 05, 2021 9:31 pm

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I disagree. Certain crimes require the death penalty, including crimes not resulting in a death. Such as child rape and attempted sedition, like we saw on January 6.

No, all types of rape should deserve the death penalty if done enough times and sedition life in prison. Along with murder/the worst cases of manslaughter, those are the only things that should get the death penalty.

No crime should get the death penalty. Life sentence is better. If a mistake is made it cannot be cannot get taken back.

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Arizona begins the education crackdown


Republican lawmakers voted Wednesday to punish teachers who don’t present both sides of controversial science or events. Some lawmakers say the effort could force teachers to seek out and present contrary views on everything from climate change, slavery, the 9-11 terrorist attacks, the Holocaust — and even whether Joe Biden really won the election.

The measure approved along party lines requires that any “controversial issues” discussed in the classroom must be done “from diverse and contending perspectives without giving deference to any one perspective.”

“Propaganda has no place in our classrooms,” said Rep. Michelle Udall, (R). She said there have been complaints by parents that their children are being taught things that some people do not believe to be true.

Much of what is in her amendment to SB 1532 is aimed at precluding instruction that one race, ethnic group or sex is “inherently morally or intellectually superior to another.” Udall’s measure also would bar teaching that any individual bears responsibility for actions committed by others of the same race, ethic group or sex.

“It simply prevents teaching our students that their race determines their character, treatment or worth,” she said. “Biased, unbalanced teaching hurts children.”

But Rep. Randall Friese, (D), said the measure is based on a false premise. “It is not propaganda that our country enslaved people for 400 years,” he said. “It is not propaganda that native tribes had their land taken by our forefathers.”

Udall insisted that nothing stops that from being taught.

“We all acknowledge that these things happened,” she said.

But Udall’s legislation contains no definition of what is “controversial” and, under her proposal, could not be presented as fact but instead would require a teacher to provide an alternate view or face discipline. Friese suggested that might only be defined in retrospective after a parent objects to something that already was taught.

And that lack of definition alarmed some legislators who pointed out that any teacher who violates the law is subject to not just a $5,000 fine but would be forced to reimburse the school for any “misused monies.”

Udall brushed aside some of the examples of what might land a teacher in trouble.

For example, Udall said, a teacher would not have to present alternate theories about whether the earth is round.

She said an “accurate portrayal of historical events” would be permitted. And she said that “largely discredited” theories do not need to be presented as fact.

But then legislators started asking about specific examples.

Rep. Athena Salman, (D), said there are those who believe there were positive aspects of slavery and that some slaves were treated better than others.

“Suppose that a teacher were to teach, and believed was an accurate portrayal, that all slavery was bad, that all masters were bad?” she asked.

“If the sources are well understood and if it’s well-cited, that would be considered an accurate portrayal,” Udall said. “If it’s not something that has been discredited, it would be considered an accurate portrayal.”

But Rep. Diego Rodriguez, (D), said Udall’s measure makes issues where there should be none.

“It is not a controversial statement to say slavery was the cause of the Civil War and not an issue of states’ rights,” he said. Ditto, Rodriguez said, would be a statement in a current events class saying that Joe Biden was elected in a fair and free election.

“And now we’re going to have to ‘both-sides’ this?” he asked.

And what of climate change, Salman said, where there is a small group of scientists who contend either it is not occurring or that humans play no role. Does that, too, she asked, require equal time? “If they’re working on controversial topics they should teach them from diverse and contending perspectives without giving preference to either side and let students draw their own conclusion,” Udall responded.

Rep. Kelli Butler, (D), asked about the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

“There are ample conspiracy theories as to whether that happened, how it happened,” she said. Butler wanted to know if a teacher who believes the attacks occurred and who caused them would then have to bring in someone with an alternate viewpoint.

“Because there are a lot them,” she said.

“You can just Google it,” Butler continued. “There are all kinds of videos. It’s a pretty established conspiracy theory.”

Udall said she wasn’t concerned.

“Largely discredited arguments don’t need to be presented as fact,” she said.

But Rep. Charlene Fernandez, (D), said even local issues can fall into the same category.

She told colleagues about Felix Longoria who died during World War II, came home in a flag-draped coffin but was denied a wake at a Texas funeral home “because white people would be upset.”

“Our teachers should be allowed to speak about Felix Longoria,” Fernandez said. “But they can’t teach it unless they can talk about why his family was denied a place to honor their father, their son, a husband, a friend and a neighbor.” Rep. Frank Carroll, R-Sun City West, said he sees the legislation as simply an extension of existing law which declares that parents have a right to direct the education of their minor child “without obstruction or interference from this state.”

“So this is for the parents and this is for the children to be able to stand up against the bad actors,” he said, meaning teachers who don’t honor that law.

And Rep. Mark Finchem, (R), compared all this to the move by some to remove monuments because of what they represent.

“That’s called rewriting history,” he said. “Whether you like that monument or not, that monument exists as a marker in time to provoke thought which, of course, provokes critical thinking.”

Even the method that Udall used to bring the issue to the full House for a vote was itself controversial.

Rather than going through the full process, which would have guaranteed at least one public hearing, she attached it to a semi-related measure which would make it illegal for teachers to use school resources to “organize, plan or execute any activity that impedes or prevents a public school from operating for any period of time.”

That followed a decision by some teachers in the Peoria Unified School District to stage a sick-out in January after its school board decided to reopen schools for in-person learning despite the fact that the “metrics” of the level of infection showed it was not yet safe to do that. Heather Rooks, a parent in the district, testified at a hearing that she had evidence that teachers were sending emails from school servers during school hours to organize the event.

The amended version of SB 1532 now returns the bill to the Senate — which approved it without the additional language.

And the Senate, like the House, can approve the amended bill without a public hearing.
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Are you a person who thinks businesses are private property and thus have the right to decide what happens in their business?…..


Ah, well, I'm a communist. I don't think private property of means of production should exist. And I definitely think natural monopolies like social networks should be nationalized (or internationalized !), or at the very least tightly regulated.

But then it depends what you call "right", in law, right now, they do have such a "right" even if they shouldn't. There are some limits put by laws, but very few.
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Postby Kowani » Thu May 06, 2021 12:16 am

Nuclear subsidies!

The White House has signaled privately to lawmakers and stakeholders in recent weeks that it supports taxpayer subsidies to keep existing nuclear facilities from closing, bending to the reality that it needs these plants to meet U.S. climate goals, three sources familiar with the discussions told Reuters.

The new subsidies, in the form of “production tax credits,” would likely be swept into President Joe Biden’s multi-trillion-dollar legislative effort to invest in the nation’s infrastructure and jobs, the sources said.

Wind and solar power producers already get these tax rebates based on levels of energy they generate.

Biden wants the U.S. power industry to be emissions free by 2035. He is also asking Congress to extend or create tax credits aimed at wind, solar and battery manufacturing as part of his $2.3 trillion American Jobs Plan.

The United States has more than 90 nuclear reactors, the most in the world, and the business is the country’s top source of emissions-free power generation.

But these aging plants have been closing, some as recently as last month, due to rising security costs and competition from plentiful natural gas, wind and solar power, which are rapidly becoming less pricey. Losing more nuclear plants could make Biden’s zero-emissions goal challenging, if not impossible, analysts have said. “There’s a deepening understanding within the administration that it needs nuclear to meet its zero-emission goals,” said a source engaged in the talks and familiar with the White House thinking.

The White House had no comment.

New York state’s Indian Point nuclear power plant, owned by Entergy Corp, closed its last reactor on April 30. In Illinois, Exelon Corp has threatened to close four reactors at two plants by November, if the state does not implement subsidies.

The plants provide thousands of union jobs that pay some of the highest salaries in the energy business. Biden’s allies in the building trades unions have lobbied the White House for the production tax credits.

The credits also have the support of Democratic Senator Joe Manchin, a moderate from the energy-rich state of West Virginia, who holds outsized power in the evenly divided Senate because he can to block his party’s agenda, two of the sources said.

Manchin’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Preliminary plans for a federal nuclear power production tax credit in deregulated markets bar companies from double-dipping in states that offer similar assistance, according to one of the sources. Companies also would have to prove financial hardship, the source said.

While Biden pledged in his campaign to boost spending for research on new generation of advanced nuclear plants, his White House, like the preceding Trump and Obama administrations, has struggled to devise a blueprint to save the existing reactors.

The Biden administration has also supported a Clean Energy Standard (CES) in the infrastructure plan, a mechanism that could support existing nuclear plants.

A CES, which could co-exist with production tax credits, would set gradually more ambitious targets for the power industry to cut emissions until they hit net-zero. The production tax credit could be implemented on a faster timetable and could help save even the Illinois plants, some experts say.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu May 06, 2021 12:21 am

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Speaking of that ban, Oversight Board has upheld Trump's Facebook suspension. However, the Broad did find this:

The board found Trump's posts had "severely violated" Facebook rules but questioned the "indeterminate and standardless penalty of indefinite suspension" and "insisted" the company find a "proportionate response" within six months.

"It is not permissible for Facebook to keep a user off the platform for an undefined period, with no criteria for when or whether the account will be restored," the board wrote.


So the ban was justified but now it's up to Facebook on whether Trump should be permanently banned and what policies FB must update.


Anyone care to explain to me how it's OK for the US to hold people indefinitely without charges or trial in Gitmo but it's "not permissible" to ban traitorous coup plotters indefinitely from Facebook?

I hope Facebook isn't detaining people anywhere... :unsure:
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Postby Kilobugya » Thu May 06, 2021 12:21 am

San Lumen wrote:The death penalty as a whole is inhumane and should be outlawed.


I agree. It's barbaric, it's inhumane, it cheapens human life and increases society's violence level, it's totally inefficient at fighting crime, it's always unfairly applied (ie, Black have higher chance of getting it than Whites for the same crime), it negates the possibility of people to change and better themselves, and it always carries a risks of executing an innocent. There is absolutely no justification for it.
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Postby Picairn » Thu May 06, 2021 12:22 am



We are approaching levels of based that shouldn't even be possible!
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