American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[The Reformed American Republic]

Basically, white people invented racism, and thus they're the critical race. It also repudiates statistics and analysis in favor of storytelling (naming one's own reality), and this storytelling must be accepted as true and normal, regardless of the statistics or facts. It also explores whiteness as property, which basically comes down to treating whiteness as golden pass in life, and they go with the un/intentional racist creating "privilege" language and seeks to create racial guilt.

Because of the flaws of critical race theory, it's drawn some academic criticism, and judicial criticism where it's come up.

not that im saying i agree with these people but storytelling is more powerful than the ben shapiro school of facts and logic and maybe the best way to counter it is through alternative stories that are a bit more uplifting. just a thought

Ben Shapiro is a hack. His opposition to being woke is just a stopped clock.

[Picairn]

not that im saying i agree with these people but storytelling is more powerful than the ben shapiro school of facts and logic and maybe the best way to counter it is through alternative stories that are a bit more uplifting. just a thought

Ben "Just sell your homes and leave" Shapiro will always remain a joke.

[Ifreann]

Basically, white people invented racism, and thus they're the critical race. It also repudiates statistics and analysis in favor of storytelling (naming one's own reality), and this storytelling must be accepted as true and normal, regardless of the statistics or facts. It also explores whiteness as property, which basically comes down to treating whiteness as golden pass in life, and they go with the un/intentional racist creating "privilege" language and seeks to create racial guilt.

Because of the flaws of critical race theory, it's drawn some academic criticism, and judicial criticism where it's come up.

not that im saying i agree with these people but storytelling is more powerful than the ben shapiro school of facts and logic and maybe the best way to counter it is through alternative stories that are a bit more uplifting. just a thought

Ben Shapiro is also telling stories, just with the aesthetics of facts and logic.

[The Reformed American Republic]

not that im saying i agree with these people but storytelling is more powerful than the ben shapiro school of facts and logic and maybe the best way to counter it is through alternative stories that are a bit more uplifting. just a thought

Ben "Just sell your homes and leave" Shapiro will always remain a joke.

Modern conservatism is useless to anyone other than a corporate donor.

[Senkaku]

...you’re saying “critical race theory” is as concrete and unified a theory as the laws of gravity? It’s a branch of critical theory with a shitload of scholars who’ve contributed to the body of work considered part of it; to suggest they’re operating at this level of ideological lockstep is cartoonishly silly.

First off, you should know there is both a law of gravity and theory of gravity. If you didn't know that, they're two separate things.

I said theory of gravity, a research area with a shitload of scholars who've contributed to the body of work considered part of it, but is still a fairly well defined thing with fairly well defined parameters.

Like Critical Race Theory, which is recognized as pretty shit. Except the theory of gravity is far more interesting and less poisoned by bullshit.

There are still some pretty significant theoretical disagreements among scholars about the nature of gravity, though— it would be absurdly reductive to just say “the theory of gravity is shit,” dismissing everything from Newton to modern quantum gravity or whatever, and it wouldn’t be conflating the whole body with physics itself to point that out. The implication is that it’s all one unified thing, a consistent whole, when the reality is that it... isn’t. The fact that all scholars involved are all focused on the same phenomenon doesn’t mean they all think about it the same way.

Not that the American right’s propaganda machine even bothers to try and make such a generalization, I think they just say the words sort of like an incantation to give +1 racial resentment score to all viewers.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Tucker Carlson now spewing anti mask garbage. He has joined team anti science.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Tucker Carlson now spewing anti mask garbage. He has joined team anti science.

Fake populism at it's finest. Be anti-mask because Trump is.

[Genivaria]

Tucker Carlson now spewing anti mask garbage. He has joined team anti science.

Joined? He's been on it.
This is the guy who openly espouses the neo-nazi White Replacement myth.

[Senkaku]

If either of you can define an entire academic field in a post, feel free to start doing that. You won’t hear me saying there aren’t some academics with fucking batshit ideas about race (and other issues) and that people on the American left or within the Democratic/liberal tendency haven’t picked them up. Those people do exist; but this idea that they exist in large numbers and that they’re on the brink of taking over either the Democratic Party or the nation or both and imposing some sort of reverse-racism “wokeist” dystopia is just laughable. My point stands— right-wing propagandists use these terms as meaningless contextual cues to indicate to their viewers that an angry reaction is required about a racial issue. The American far right is not actually interested in exploring weird bits of critical theory and having a reasoned debate; they’re interested in starting a nationwide pogrom against minority groups as soon as possible.

i like how you accuse the right for all of these things about overexaggerating certain things and believing in the worst possible scenario and then go ahead and do that same thing. very interesting projections

“you have a strong ideological position and are therefore projecting” has always been one of the silliest arguments out there (tho usually I see it being made by globe emoji Dems on Twitter abt conservative hysterics)

Or... or... the world is more complicated than a political axis/compass...


People have this idea that if they don’t actively like or support something, that means they couldn’t possibly be enabling it, whether it’s a family member’s drug use or their country’s rising tide of reaction. “I tell her I don’t support her lifestyle every night at our family dinner!”

You just basically agreed with me that all the right-wing fearmongering about “wokeism” is absurd propaganda that’s been overhyped to the point of hysteria and delusion; now in the same breath you turn around and say they’re onto something and that “it” is “a real issue” (whatever “it” even means at this point). I’m not saying you’re some boogeyman, I’m saying you’ve been duped into uncritically allowing the most rabid right-wing nutjobs set the terms of this country’s political conversation.

"Exaggerated" does not mean "nonexistent."

Uh huh. Maybe just sit with what I said for a little while and do some introspection and we can talk about it later...

[The Reformed American Republic]

Uh huh. Maybe just sit with what I said for a little while and do some introspection and we can talk about it later...

How about you realize that your position is not objective fact?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Tucker Carlson now spewing anti mask garbage. He has joined team anti science.

Fake populism at it's finest. Be anti-mask because Trump is.

If Trump said jump off a cliff and the media and doctors said "no don't do that you will die" then lots of republicans would end up jumping off cliffs to own the libs.

Tucker Carlson now spewing anti mask garbage. He has joined team anti science.

Joined? He's been on it.
This is the guy who openly espouses the neo-nazi White Replacement myth.

He did? I'm not suprised but I didn't know he was that far gone.

[Picairn]

He did? I'm not suprised but I didn't know he was that far gone.

Here, an article to help you catch up with the news: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-car ... ationalist

[The Reformed American Republic]

He did? I'm not suprised but I didn't know he was that far gone.

Here, an article to help you catch up with the news: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-car ... ationalist

Carson is either a fascist or wants to secure fascist votes for the GOP. Which one it is is irrelevant.

[Galloism]

First off, you should know there is both a law of gravity and theory of gravity. If you didn't know that, they're two separate things.

I said theory of gravity, a research area with a shitload of scholars who've contributed to the body of work considered part of it, but is still a fairly well defined thing with fairly well defined parameters.

Like Critical Race Theory, which is recognized as pretty shit. Except the theory of gravity is far more interesting and less poisoned by bullshit.

There are still some pretty significant theoretical disagreements among scholars about the nature of gravity, though— it would be absurdly reductive to just say “the theory of gravity is shit,” dismissing everything from Newton to modern quantum gravity or whatever, and it wouldn’t be conflating the whole body with physics itself to point that out. The implication is that it’s all one unified thing, a consistent whole, when the reality is that it... isn’t. The fact that all scholars involved are all focused on the same phenomenon doesn’t mean they all think about it the same way.

Not that the American right’s propaganda machine even bothers to try and make such a generalization, I think they just say the words sort of like an incantation to give +1 racial resentment score to all viewers.

Sure, there disagreements on the nature of gravity. But the theory of gravity itself hasn't been lambasted by the courts and serious academics for its abject failures.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He did? I'm not suprised but I didn't know he was that far gone.

Here, an article to help you catch up with the news: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-car ... ationalist

Well damn.

Tucker is just a full blown insane person at this point.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Tucker Carlson is also was on board with free market economics until 2018: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson#Economics

His economic populism is also fake.

[Gravlen]

If either of you can define an entire academic field in a post, feel free to start doing that. You won’t hear me saying there aren’t some academics with fucking batshit ideas about race (and other issues) and that people on the American left or within the Democratic/liberal tendency haven’t picked them up. Those people do exist; but this idea that they exist in large numbers and that they’re on the brink of taking over either the Democratic Party or the nation or both and imposing some sort of reverse-racism “wokeist” dystopia is just laughable. My point stands— right-wing propagandists use these terms as meaningless contextual cues to indicate to their viewers that an angry reaction is required about a racial issue. The American far right is not actually interested in exploring weird bits of critical theory and having a reasoned debate; they’re interested in starting a nationwide pogrom against minority groups as soon as possible.

That's correct of course. No one there is interested in reasoned debate.

But, just for the record, critical race theory is pretty shit. In practice, the 7th circuit court of appeals said "by repudiating reasoned argumentation, (critical race theorists) reinforce stereotypes about the intellectual capacities of nonwhites."

That's in the wikipedia article.

You've got it wrong.

First of all, the courts aren't a suitable arbiter of whether critical race theory is a good theoretical framework for examining issues of law.

Second, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said no such thing. Richard Posner, a judge, said it in an opinion piece / book review in 1997. It was not something he said in a court ruling, so claiming that this was a stance taken by the 7th Circuit is a failure to understand the very basics of the legal system and how it works.

[Zurkerx]

Here, an article to help you catch up with the news: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-car ... ationalist

Well damn.

Tucker is just a full blown insane person at this point.

He's absolutely has lost it at this point:

IS TUCKER CARLSON LOSING HIS MIND?: OK, some of you will argue that he lost it long ago. But as careful students of his evening show, we’ve noticed that Carlson has gradually become more unhinged in recent weeks. He’s devoted enormous attention to apologias for the Jan. 6 insurrectionists. He seemed noticeably perturbed the night that DEREK CHAUVIN was found guilty. And under the banner of just asking questions! he has given quarter to anti-vaxxers and Covid-19 conspiracists.

But on Monday night, during a rant where it was hard to tell whether Carlson was serious or not — his Trump-like way of distancing himself from the content of his monologues is to always keep you guessing as to whether he’s just putting you on — Carlson made a comment that was beyond the pale even for him, and especially strange for a self-styled anti-nanny state libertarian.

“Your response when you see children wearing masks as they play should be no different from your response to seeing someone beat a kid at Walmart,” he said. “Call the police immediately, contact child protective services. Keep calling until someone arrives.”

We hate wearing masks in uncrowded outdoor spaces as much as anyone, and hopefully the CDC will update its guidance on that today. But seeing parents abide by the current CDC advice that kids over the age of 2 “wear a mask correctly when in public and when around people they don’t live with” is not a good reason to sic child protective services on strangers at your local big box store. And we’re pretty sure Carlson knows that, even if some of his viewers might not, which makes his appeal to snitch on mask wearers even worse.

The man is more triggered than- eh, I won't go there but he's gone off the deep end- and my fucking family watches him too.

[Galloism]

That's correct of course. No one there is interested in reasoned debate.

But, just for the record, critical race theory is pretty shit. In practice, the 7th circuit court of appeals said "by repudiating reasoned argumentation, (critical race theorists) reinforce stereotypes about the intellectual capacities of nonwhites."

That's in the wikipedia article.

You've got it wrong.

First of all, the courts aren't a suitable arbiter of whether critical race theory is a good theoretical framework for examining issues of law.

Second, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said no such thing. Richard Posner, a judge, said it in an opinion piece / book review in 1997. It was not something he said in a court ruling, so claiming that this was a stance taken by the 7th Circuit is a failure to understand the very basics of the legal system and how it works.

Thank you for the correction.

A judge on the 7th circuit court of appeals classified it that way. I apparently didn't read very well.

But, it's still pretty shit for rejecting reasoned argumentation in favor of storytelling. Reasoned argumentation, backing reason as a social good, is a significant part of the basis of the enlightenment.

[Kowani]

Biden wants $80 billion to fund the IRS

[Senkaku]

You've got it wrong.

First of all, the courts aren't a suitable arbiter of whether critical race theory is a good theoretical framework for examining issues of law.

Second, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said no such thing. Richard Posner, a judge, said it in an opinion piece / book review in 1997. It was not something he said in a court ruling, so claiming that this was a stance taken by the 7th Circuit is a failure to understand the very basics of the legal system and how it works.

Thank you for the correction.

A judge on the 7th circuit court of appeals classified it that way. I apparently didn't read very well.

But, it's still pretty shit for rejecting reasoned argumentation in favor of storytelling. Reasoned argumentation, backing reason as a social good, is a significant part of the basis of the enlightenment.

If your issue is that it’s “storytelling” rather than “reasoned argumentation” then I think your problem is with certain aspects of postmodern philosophy generally than with critical race theory specifically tbh (I don’t think we need to bicker abt whether judges are necessarily valid arbiters of academic validity bc like... come on)

Biden wants $80 billion to fund the IRS

[Washington Resistance Army]

Biden wants $80 billion to fund the IRS

Denied. Tax man bad, let me keep my stock profits

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Fake populism at it's finest. Be anti-mask because Trump is.

If Trump said jump off a cliff and the media and doctors said "no don't do that you will die" then lots of republicans would end up jumping off cliffs to own the libs.

Just like the pide piper led rats through the streets, dancing like marionettes swaying to the symphony of destruction.

[Genivaria]

Biden wants $80 billion to fund the IRS

Denied. Tax man bad, let me keep my stock profits

Only one thing to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A5raLX ... el=clanky4

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Tucker Carlson is also was on board with free market economics until 2018: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson#Economics

His economic populism is also fake.

Tucker is whatever the GOP is in the moment. He's a charlatan.