American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Unless its in the middle east or anywhere else they treat LGBT people like dogshit.

Logos weren't even what I was talking about.

Im not taking part in your conversation honestly, im just making a random off comment in reply to iffy.

Because it always amused when companies change their social media logos in only some places for pride month.

[Vassenor]

Unless its in the middle east or anywhere else they treat LGBT people like dogshit.

Logos weren't even what I was talking about.

So stop dancing around the issue and talk about what you were actually trying to talk about.

[Genivaria]

Unless its in the middle east or anywhere else they treat LGBT people like dogshit.

Logos weren't even what I was talking about.

Then give an example of what you ARE talking about.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I give fuck all about the logos, and was thinking more along the lines of knee jerk firing for something politically incorrect in a person's past and the like.

Example?

Not the exact case or senario, but something similar: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... ays-he-was

Cafferty, who is Mexican American, told the outlet that he was just cracking his knuckles outside of the window and had no idea that the gesture could have a racist intent.

[Vassenor]

Example?

Not the exact case or senario, but something similar: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... ays-he-was

Cafferty, who is Mexican American, told the outlet that he was just cracking his knuckles outside of the window and had no idea that the gesture could have a racist intent.

Then your problem is with at-will employment, not vaguely defined woke-ism.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Logos weren't even what I was talking about.

Then give an example of what you ARE talking about.

Excuse me, can I actually be granted some time to reply? Just because I don't reply instantly does not mean I'm ignoring you.

[Senkaku]

Elaborate.

Horseshoe theory is the idea that the far-left and the far-right are extremely similar. The example here is the democrat presidents who are supposedly left wing pushing right wing ideas.

You’re buying into both Republican narratives that the Dems are, in fact, on the far left— and Democratic ones, tbh, since people who are actually committed and loyal Democrats tend to position themselves as heroes or saviors rather than enablers and bystanders. The two parties are not extremes that wrap around on each other per horseshoe theory; the reason they often behave in similar ways and advocate similar policies is because they’re actually different flavors of the same ideological tendency, with some minor (albeit very rapidly growing) disagreements.

[Kilobugya]

Not the exact case or senario, but something similar: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... ays-he-was

Then your problem is with at-will employment, not vaguely defined woke-ism.

Indeed, if USA had stricter labor laws, like we have here when employees cannot be fired without due reason, such things wouldn't happen.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Horseshoe theory is the idea that the far-left and the far-right are extremely similar. The example here is the democrat presidents who are supposedly left wing pushing right wing ideas.

You’re buying into both Republican narratives that the Dems are, in fact, on the far left— and Democratic ones, tbh, since people who are actually committed and loyal Democrats tend to position themselves as heroes or saviors rather than enablers and bystanders. The two parties are not extremes that wrap around on each other per horseshoe theory; the reason they often behave in similar ways and advocate similar policies is because they’re actually different flavors of the same ideological tendency, with some minor (albeit very rapidly growing) disagreements.

They disagree on social issues, and one party (GOP) has embraced outright batshittery.

[Ifreann]

You brought up corporate grandstanding, I'm talking about corporate grandstanding, what's the problem?

I give fuck all about the logos, and was thinking more along the lines of knee jerk firing for something politically incorrect in a person's past and the like.

Which is just another expression of the same thing. Corporations care about literally nothing except making money. They are legal entities that exist solely to make money. Corporations fire people who post cringe to protect their public image, which they need to be reasonably good in order to continue selling whatever shit they sell. Which is also why they try to associate themselves with popular social movements. There is nothing left wing about any of this, it's the epitome of right wing free market capitalism. Corporations were doing the same thing in the 50s, except back then they were firing people for being suspected commies.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... hing-wrong

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) is flatly denying he engaged in sexual misconduct as he faces an investigation following accusations from several women who say he harassed them or made them feel uncomfortable.

“The report can’t say anything different,” Cuomo said on Tuesday, “because I didn’t do anything wrong.”

The governor's remarks came during a rare in-person briefing with reporters in upstate New York as Cuomo has mostly stuck to virtual press events and coronavirus response briefings in the wake of the allegations.

[Genivaria]

Example?

Not the exact case or senario, but something similar: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... ays-he-was

Cafferty, who is Mexican American, told the outlet that he was just cracking his knuckles outside of the window and had no idea that the gesture could have a racist intent.

Yeah its bullshit how easy it is to fire someone over anything. At will states are bullshit.

[Senkaku]

And that's "too left"?

I was talking about corporate grandstanding and garbage like critical race theory in the mainstream, and the need to punish and cancel those who aren't "with the times" on a certain issue. The GOP is standing in defiance to this, though in the wrong way, and for terrible reasons. And sure, some "left-wing" positions will get support. Even I support marijuana legalization, even though I have strong disagreements with the left on social and cultural issues, and disagree with many elements of the mainstream that agrees with you guys on many cultural and social issues.

When actually challenged on this, your response is some random blog link about a dude getting fired for cracking his knuckles? Is it so hard to accept that “critical race theory” and “woke” have just become little cueing phrases, totally divorced from any meaning, that right-wing propagandists use to signal to viewers that they should be feeling anger? The reason you have no coherent ideas about them besides that you’re mad about and don’t like them is because that’s the only information the right puts out about them. “This random bad thing happened, I say it’s wokeism/critical race theory!” No one even knows what they mean, they’re just these Pavlovian anger inducers that are vaguely waved about to indicate you’re upset.

[Genivaria]

I give fuck all about the logos, and was thinking more along the lines of knee jerk firing for something politically incorrect in a person's past and the like.

Which is just another expression of the same thing. Corporations care about literally nothing except making money. They are legal entities that exist solely to make money. Corporations fire people who post cringe to protect their public image, which they need to be reasonably good in order to continue selling whatever shit they sell. Which is also why they try to associate themselves with popular social movements. There is nothing left wing about any of this, it's the epitome of right wing free market capitalism. Corporations were doing the same thing in the 50s, except back then they were firing people for being suspected commies.

Suddenly though because more right wing positions are now unpopular companies are just doing the same damn thing to the right and now the right is screeching persecution.
Funny how it's only persecution when it effects them.

[Galloism]

I was talking about corporate grandstanding and garbage like critical race theory in the mainstream, and the need to punish and cancel those who aren't "with the times" on a certain issue. The GOP is standing in defiance to this, though in the wrong way, and for terrible reasons. And sure, some "left-wing" positions will get support. Even I support marijuana legalization, even though I have strong disagreements with the left on social and cultural issues, and disagree with many elements of the mainstream that agrees with you guys on many cultural and social issues.

When actually challenged on this, your response is some random blog link about a dude getting fired for cracking his knuckles? Is it so hard to accept that “critical race theory” and “woke” have just become little cueing phrases, totally divorced from any meaning, that right-wing propagandists use to signal to viewers that they should be feeling anger? The reason you have no coherent ideas about them besides that you’re mad about and don’t like them is because that’s the only information the right puts out about them. “This random bad thing happened, I say it’s wokeism/critical race theory!” No one even knows what they mean, they’re just these Pavlovian anger inducers that are vaguely waved about to indicate you’re upset.

Critical race theory is pretty shit tho. The courts have said so.

[The Reformed American Republic]

When actually challenged on this, your response is some random blog link about a dude getting fired for cracking his knuckles? Is it so hard to accept that “critical race theory” and “woke” have just become little cueing phrases, totally divorced from any meaning, that right-wing propagandists use to signal to viewers that they should be feeling anger? The reason you have no coherent ideas about them besides that you’re mad about and don’t like them is because that’s the only information the right puts out about them. “This random bad thing happened, I say it’s wokeism/critical race theory!” No one even knows what they mean, they’re just these Pavlovian anger inducers that are vaguely waved about to indicate you’re upset.

Critical race theory is pretty shit tho. The courts have said so.

Senkaku will never admit that. That contradicts their narrative.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Which is just another expression of the same thing. Corporations care about literally nothing except making money. They are legal entities that exist solely to make money. Corporations fire people who post cringe to protect their public image, which they need to be reasonably good in order to continue selling whatever shit they sell. Which is also why they try to associate themselves with popular social movements. There is nothing left wing about any of this, it's the epitome of right wing free market capitalism. Corporations were doing the same thing in the 50s, except back then they were firing people for being suspected commies.

Suddenly though because more right wing positions are now unpopular companies are just doing the same damn thing to the right and now the right is screeching persecution.
Funny how it's only persecution when it effects them.

I'm not a Republican.

[Rusozak]

Suddenly though because more right wing positions are now unpopular companies are just doing the same damn thing to the right and now the right is screeching persecution.
Funny how it's only persecution when it effects them.

I'm not a Republican.

But you are right-wing, are you not? I don't believe they were specifically referring to the GOP.

[Genivaria]

Suddenly though because more right wing positions are now unpopular companies are just doing the same damn thing to the right and now the right is screeching persecution.
Funny how it's only persecution when it effects them.

I'm not a Republican.

Good for you? I never mentioned the word Republican.

[Senkaku]

You’re buying into both Republican narratives that the Dems are, in fact, on the far left— and Democratic ones, tbh, since people who are actually committed and loyal Democrats tend to position themselves as heroes or saviors rather than enablers and bystanders. The two parties are not extremes that wrap around on each other per horseshoe theory; the reason they often behave in similar ways and advocate similar policies is because they’re actually different flavors of the same ideological tendency, with some minor (albeit very rapidly growing) disagreements.

They disagree on social issues, and one party (GOP) has embraced outright batshittery.

Sure, but they haven’t always disagreed on social issues— that polarization has taken place within living memory. It’s most obvious on racial issues, but it’s evident in other contested areas in the culture wars too— Clinton was the one who signed the Defense of Marriage Act. The GOP’s slide into totally conspiratorial lunacy maybe isn’t as far a fall as you think; those people have always been hanging around on the margins, the novel development is just that they’re taking up positions of power within the party that they had previously been tacitly excluded from.

I’m not saying there are no discernible differences between them, to be clear— I’m saying the similarities in policy between them are explainable by a similarity in outlook and composition, rather than a supposed vast ideological gulf (as “horseshoe theory” would claim).

[Ifreann]

Which is just another expression of the same thing. Corporations care about literally nothing except making money. They are legal entities that exist solely to make money. Corporations fire people who post cringe to protect their public image, which they need to be reasonably good in order to continue selling whatever shit they sell. Which is also why they try to associate themselves with popular social movements. There is nothing left wing about any of this, it's the epitome of right wing free market capitalism. Corporations were doing the same thing in the 50s, except back then they were firing people for being suspected commies.

Suddenly though because more right wing positions are now unpopular companies are just doing the same damn thing to the right and now the right is screeching persecution.
Funny how it's only persecution when it effects them.

When sporting events are preceded by a military parade, a fly-by of military aircraft, and the performance of two national anthems, that's fine, but when the players signal support for a progressive political movement, suddenly that's leftists waging a culture war to destroy conservatism.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I'm not a Republican.

Good for you? I never mentioned the word Republican.

Republicans are pretty much synonymous with the American right, and I have strong disagreements with them as well. I don't think I fall cleanly on the left-right political spectrum.

[Senkaku]

When actually challenged on this, your response is some random blog link about a dude getting fired for cracking his knuckles? Is it so hard to accept that “critical race theory” and “woke” have just become little cueing phrases, totally divorced from any meaning, that right-wing propagandists use to signal to viewers that they should be feeling anger? The reason you have no coherent ideas about them besides that you’re mad about and don’t like them is because that’s the only information the right puts out about them. “This random bad thing happened, I say it’s wokeism/critical race theory!” No one even knows what they mean, they’re just these Pavlovian anger inducers that are vaguely waved about to indicate you’re upset.

Critical race theory is pretty shit tho. The courts have said so.

Critical race theory is pretty shit tho. The courts have said so.

Senkaku will never admit that. That contradicts their narrative.

If either of you can define an entire academic field in a post, feel free to start doing that. You won’t hear me saying there aren’t some academics with fucking batshit ideas about race (and other issues) and that people on the American left or within the Democratic/liberal tendency haven’t picked them up. Those people do exist; but this idea that they exist in large numbers and that they’re on the brink of taking over either the Democratic Party or the nation or both and imposing some sort of reverse-racism “wokeist” dystopia is just laughable. My point stands— right-wing propagandists use these terms as meaningless contextual cues to indicate to their viewers that an angry reaction is required about a racial issue. The American far right is not actually interested in exploring weird bits of critical theory and having a reasoned debate; they’re interested in starting a nationwide pogrom against minority groups as soon as possible.

[The Reformed American Republic]

...rather than a supposed vast ideological gulf (as “horseshoe theory” would claim).

I agree there. Horseshoe theory is not applicable in this situation.

[Kowani]

University of Pennsylvania investigating after it turns out they were using (without permission) the bones of two children killed by the 1985 Philadelphia Police Bombing, which they somehow lost

A major investigation is now underway after a disturbing revelation. There is outrage over the handling of human remains from the MOVE bombing. The University of Pennsylvania has retained external legal counsel to figure out why the Ivy League school’s museum held onto the remains of a 12-year-old and a 14-year-old who were killed in the 1985 MOVE bombing for decades.

In a series of statements, the university is apologizing to the Africa family, the remaining members of a pro-revolutionary organization that was entangled in a heated standoff with police and the city in the 1970s and 80s.

Eleven members of MOVE died after the city bombed their compound, located on Osage Avenue in densely populated West Philadelphia. Firefighters stood down, allowing the flames to spread. Dozens of homes were incinerated.

The Africa family faced TV cameras and questions this morning.

“This is a really hard thing for me to talk about because I feel like I’m reliving 1985 when they told me that my son was dead,” Janine Africa said.

Among the dead were two teens whose remains were sent to a Penn professor years ago for post-mortem identification and analysis. The Africa family claims they never knew about that.

And over the years, knowledge of who had custody of the remains became unclear. It’s alleged the professor who was initially consulted by the city took the remains to Princeton when he retired from Penn.

Both schools say they don’t have them.

“They have desecrated what they say are their remains, defiled them, and had them hidden away on exhibit as a learning tool for their students. That is the most disrespectful, hateful thing to do to anybody, but especially children,” Africa said.