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San Lumen wrote:https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/04/michigan-patriot-party-one-step-closer-to-a-spot-on-the-ballot.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Michigan Patriot Party one step closer to a spot on the ballot. The Board of State Canvassers approved petition language Thursday for the potential party to start gathering signatures for future certification.

The board’s four members voted unanimously to approve the language. The Michigan Patriot Party has to collect 42,506 petition signatures to be submitted to the secretary of state for review.

The Michigan Patriot Party not only needs to collect the 42,000-plus signatures, but organizers also need to collect 100 signatures from each of at least half of the state’s 83 counties and gather all valid signatures within a 180-day window.


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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:46 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/04/michigan-patriot-party-one-step-closer-to-a-spot-on-the-ballot.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Michigan Patriot Party one step closer to a spot on the ballot. The Board of State Canvassers approved petition language Thursday for the potential party to start gathering signatures for future certification.

The board’s four members voted unanimously to approve the language. The Michigan Patriot Party has to collect 42,506 petition signatures to be submitted to the secretary of state for review.

The Michigan Patriot Party not only needs to collect the 42,000-plus signatures, but organizers also need to collect 100 signatures from each of at least half of the state’s 83 counties and gather all valid signatures within a 180-day window.


Oh no, it's happening.


You’re surprised that Trumpists are forming their own political party?
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:48 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/04/michigan-patriot-party-one-step-closer-to-a-spot-on-the-ballot.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Michigan Patriot Party one step closer to a spot on the ballot. The Board of State Canvassers approved petition language Thursday for the potential party to start gathering signatures for future certification.

The board’s four members voted unanimously to approve the language. The Michigan Patriot Party has to collect 42,506 petition signatures to be submitted to the secretary of state for review.

The Michigan Patriot Party not only needs to collect the 42,000-plus signatures, but organizers also need to collect 100 signatures from each of at least half of the state’s 83 counties and gather all valid signatures within a 180-day window.


Oh no, it's happening.


And if it gets any traction it will hurt the Republican party.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Oh no, it's happening.


And if it gets any traction it will hurt the Republican party.


Yeah but at what cost? The Michigan Patriot Party is bound to be like the Sinn Fein of the Wolverine Watchmen, Michigan Home Guard, Three Percenters and Michigan Militia.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:51 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And if it gets any traction it will hurt the Republican party.


Yeah but at what cost? The Michigan Patriot Party is bound to be like the Sinn Fein of the Wolverine Watchmen, Michigan Home Guard, Three Percenters and Michigan Militia.


It will split the Republican vote and Democrats win more but i do fear for the crazies they could nominate.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:55 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Oh no, it's happening.


You’re surprised that Trumpists are forming their own political party?


No, but I am scared.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Yeah but at what cost? The Michigan Patriot Party is bound to be like the Sinn Fein of the Wolverine Watchmen, Michigan Home Guard, Three Percenters and Michigan Militia.


It will split the Republican vote and Democrats win more but i do fear for the crazies they could nominate.


The thing is they could win at a local level. And imagine being the unfortunate soul trapped in a town run by the MPP aka every right wing militia group in the state.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:57 pm

Political Geography wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It will split the Republican vote and Democrats win more but i do fear for the crazies they could nominate.


You shouldn't. Attracting crazies from the GOP is actually a good thing. It keeps them a long way from power.

What's MTG's home state ?


Georgia.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:58 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It will split the Republican vote and Democrats win more but i do fear for the crazies they could nominate.


The thing is they could win at a local level. And imagine being the unfortunate soul trapped in a town run by the MPP aka every right wing militia group in the state.


That is a scary thought. Are municipal and county elections partisan in Michigan?

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The thing is they could win at a local level. And imagine being the unfortunate soul trapped in a town run by the MPP aka every right wing militia group in the state.


That is a scary thought. Are municipal and county elections partisan in Michigan?


They indeed are. That's why Peter Lucido is the local prosecutor (AAAAAAAH).
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Postby Auze » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Oh no, it's happening.


And if it gets any traction it will hurt the Republican party.

Assuming, of course, that the Michigan Republicans don’t push for ranked-choice voting. Unlikely, but stranger things have happened...
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:04 pm

Political Geography wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The thing is they could win at a local level. And imagine being the unfortunate soul trapped in a town run by the MPP aka every right wing militia group in the state.


The dog catcher can't do a lot of harm, unless the council grants his request for a surplus Apache to catch dogs with.


And the sheriff?
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:10 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
You’re surprised that Trumpists are forming their own political party?


No, but I am scared.


Well, it as bound to happen. The Republican Party is already a cult with a minuscule number of anti-Trumpers. The (even more) bat shit crazy Trump followers don’t think that the GOP is being loyal enough to Trump.

This is when people overdose on the drug known as populism. It eventually leads to demagoguery.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:12 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
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That is a scary thought. Are municipal and county elections partisan in Michigan?


They indeed are. That's why Peter Lucido is the local prosecutor (AAAAAAAH).


Ah. It seems in Detroit they are non partisan though. It might vary across the state. Lansing has partisan elections.

Is that similar to the District Attorney?

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:13 pm

Political Geography wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The thing is they could win at a local level. And imagine being the unfortunate soul trapped in a town run by the MPP aka every right wing militia group in the state.


The dog catcher can't do a lot of harm, unless the council grants his request for a surplus Apache to catch dogs with.

Such a dumb phrase. I’ve never seen that on the ballot anywhere.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:20 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
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No, but I am scared.


Well, it as bound to happen. The Republican Party is already a cult with a minuscule number of anti-Trumpers. The (even more) bat shit crazy Trump followers don’t think that the GOP is being loyal enough to Trump.

This is when people overdose on the drug known as populism. It eventually leads to demagoguery.


Populism happens in a society whose current system doesn't work very well. The solution is to offer an alternative that isn't based around racism and xenophobia and tyranny.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:34 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Oh no, it's happening.

Aw, come on...
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Postby North Washington Republic » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:36 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Well, it as bound to happen. The Republican Party is already a cult with a minuscule number of anti-Trumpers. The (even more) bat shit crazy Trump followers don’t think that the GOP is being loyal enough to Trump.

This is when people overdose on the drug known as populism. It eventually leads to demagoguery.


Populism happens in a society whose current system doesn't work very well. The solution is to offer an alternative that isn't based around racism and xenophobia and tyranny.


And populism leads to shit like vaccine hesitancy, anti-masker and climate change denial. No matter if it’s on the left or the right, it leads to anti-intellectualism and demagoguery.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:43 pm

Also, I made a map of an alternate 2024 Election where proportional representation and/or ranked choice voting caused the emergence of many political parties. Unfortunately it's to big to put as a normal image so I have to copy/paste.

https://i.imgur.com/ehA4tWN.png
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:48 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Populism happens in a society whose current system doesn't work very well. The solution is to offer an alternative that isn't based around racism and xenophobia and tyranny.


And populism leads to shit like vaccine hesitancy, anti-masker and climate change denial. No matter if it’s on the left or the right, it leads to anti-intellectualism and demagoguery.


Nice false equivalency. You're joking if you think Bernie Sanders would deny covid or stand against vaccines. And this is why centrism isn't good. If you look at neo nazis and then look at anarchists and think they're "two sides to the same coin," then you have zero understanding of either ideology.
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Troy Carter, Dem. Candidate for Louisiana's special election to replace Cedric Richmond, gets removed from No Fossil Fuel Money Pledge after violating it 9 times

A candidate in the two-Democrat special election runoff to replace Cedric Richmond as the U.S. representative for Louisiana’s Second Congressional District was removed from the No Fossil Fuel Money pledge this afternoon after taking multiple large donations from fossil fuel interests in violation of the pledge and declining to return them.

Troy Carter signed the pledge on March 5, promising not to take any donations larger than $200 from any PAC, executive, or lobbyist of fossil fuel companies. But Sludge reviewed Carter’s pre-runoff Federal Election Commission filing and found he had taken at least nine large donations that were in violation, including from an oil transportation company PAC, executives of a natural gas utility company, and a lobbyist for Chevron.

Oil Change U.S., the nonprofit organization that organized the No Fossil Fuel Money pledge, notified Carter’s campaign of its multiple violations on March 12 and reached out again today. The campaign did not respond to either communication, and it has not responded to Sludge’s inquiries. The pledge gives candidates seven days to address violations before their names are removed.

“We’re disappointed that Sen. Troy Carter’s continued addiction to fossil fuel money has led to his being removed from the pledge, which has only happened a handful of times across our thousands of signers,” said Oil Change U.S. senior campaigner Collin Rees. “But removing him from the pledge was our only option, given his repeated violations of his commitment to avoid fossil fuel money.” The No Fossil Fuel Money pledge was created in 2017 and has become a litmus test for candidates who want to demonstrate to voters that they are serious about addressing the climate crisis. More than 3,200 politicians at the state and federal level have taken the pledge.

Carter has been endorsed by Richmond, who during his years in the House was one of the oil and gas industry’s closest Democratic allies. Another Carter endorser is former U.S. senator John Breaux, who is now a lobbyist for natural gas supply company Black Belt Energy and Americans for Carbon Dividends, the lobbying arm of the Climate Leadership Council which counts BP, ExxonMobil, and ConocoPhillips among its founding members.

The other candidate in the race, Karen Carter Peterson, was also discovered by Sludge to have taken two contributions that violated the pledge that she signed on March 1. Peterson told Oil Change U.S. that she would refund the donations. Peterson remains in good standing with the pledge, according to Rees.

“We’re glad that his opponent Sen. Karen Carter Peterson remains a No Fossil Fuel Money pledge signer in good standing, especially in a race where the future of our energy system plays such a crucial role,” Rees said.

The Second Congressional District in Louisiana includes a stretch of land along the Mississippi River often referred to as “Cancer Alley” that is home to dozens of oil refineries and petrochemical plants and includes seven of the ten most polluted census tracts in the United States, including areas where cancer risks are hundreds of times higher than the national average.

The runoff election will be held on April 24 and early voting has already begun.
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/loca ... e/2649716/

Robert E Lee High School in Fairfax County, Virginia has been renamed for Civil Rights leader and Congressmen John Lewis.

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San Lumen wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/virginia-high-school-john-lewis-rename-confederate-lee/2649716/

Robert E Lee High School in Fairfax County, Virginia has been renamed for Civil Rights leader and Congressmen John Lewis.


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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:24 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Also, I made a map of an alternate 2024 Election where proportional representation and/or ranked choice voting caused the emergence of many political parties. Unfortunately it's to big to put as a normal image so I have to copy/paste.

https://i.imgur.com/ehA4tWN.png

It's an interesting thought. And a fair guess at how such a thing would play out.

By the way, Minnesota actually has an independent political party: The Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. This is basically synonymous with the Democrats in every practical way, but in a multi-party system would be it's own thing. And Minnesotans would probably vote for that.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:47 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Also, I made a map of an alternate 2024 Election where proportional representation and/or ranked choice voting caused the emergence of many political parties. Unfortunately it's to big to put as a normal image so I have to copy/paste.

https://i.imgur.com/ehA4tWN.png

It's an interesting thought. And a fair guess at how such a thing would play out.

By the way, Minnesota actually has an independent political party: The Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. This is basically synonymous with the Democrats in every practical way, but in a multi-party system would be it's own thing. And Minnesotans would probably vote for that.

Based Minnesota going it's own way. Of course, it'd almost certainly loose in the House, or if the political system worked somewhat similarly to what my former country Ukraine did, in the second round it wouldn't even be on the ballot.
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