American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Ifreann]

Voting IDs should be free, available at the point of service, easily accessible (more places to give them out) and quick.

Voter ID should come with a free lollipop.

[Forsher]

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What's with all the . posts? I saw NCR also have a couple of these?

Mandatory voting is a terrible idea. if you don't want to be informed and don't want to vote that should be your right.

We should have automatic registration though.

Do it for the sausage sizzles.

No, but seriously, mandatory voting isn't a requirement to be informed, it's merely a requirement to vote. It's no different to requiring people to pay taxes... a cost of existing within a society.

It would be easy to make IDs available to all voters without that constituting a serious impediment to voting, but see, the Republicans want voter ID laws to be a serious impediment to voting. The goal for them is to stop people from voting.

At this stage, Biden needs to use an executive order to create a National Voter ID card.

To allay the inevitable comparisons to "papers, please", he will also need to issue an executive order making it an offence for anyone other than a poll worker on an election day to ask for a National Voter ID card.

[Ifreann]

It would be easy to make IDs available to all voters without that constituting a serious impediment to voting, but see, the Republicans want voter ID laws to be a serious impediment to voting. The goal for them is to stop people from voting.

At this stage, Biden needs to use an executive order to create a National Voter ID card.

To allay the inevitable comparisons to "papers, please", he will also need to issue an executive order making it an offence for anyone other than a poll worker on an election day to ask for a National Voter ID card.

I don't think that executive orders can do either of those things.

[Forsher]

Voting IDs should be free, available at the point of service, easily accessible (more places to give them out) and quick.

Voter ID should come with a free lollipop.

No, they should be lollipops. Get 'em made, present it, and eat it while you vote.

Sure, you might be starving by the time you get to the front of the queue, but at least you can eat your ID at the end of it.

[Forsher]

At this stage, Biden needs to use an executive order to create a National Voter ID card.

To allay the inevitable comparisons to "papers, please", he will also need to issue an executive order making it an offence for anyone other than a poll worker on an election day to ask for a National Voter ID card.

I don't think that executive orders can do either of those things.

In the US, you can do anything until SCOTUS says no.

EDIT: the problem with executive orders for this purpose is that the next administration can just undo them

[San Lumen]

I don't think that executive orders can do either of those things.

In the US, you can do anything until SCOTUS says no.

The President can't make law.

[Ifreann]

I don't think that executive orders can do either of those things.

In the US, you can do anything until SCOTUS says no.

And they would.

[Forsher]

In the US, you can do anything until SCOTUS says no.

The President can't make law.

ID cards aren't laws. Requiring that people have them? That is a law, but I'm not saying Biden should do that.

[Greater Miami Shores]

"NO YOU!" - Every single GMS post ever. Not exaggerating.

Honestly, stop indulging him everyone. He is never going to have anything interesting or original to say.

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Do you simply have things on auto reply? why can't you engage in meaningful debate like everyone else? Do you think this adds to the conversation?

To prove how absurd your argument is just because you believe the presidential election was rigged and somehow missed every election and the Georgia runoffs were as well despite the latter having someone run them who is a Republican doesn't make it true. Facts are it was a free and fair election and you are simply incapable of accepting your lost.

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I withdraw this Post, I thought I was posting on the Moderator Forum, I will now Post the traditional thank you on the Moderator Forum. GMS.

[Picairn]

Voter ID should come with a free lollipop.

Or a free ice cream cone. Maybe the President can share his love for ice cream to Americans.

[Ifreann]

I don't think that executive orders can do either of those things.

In the US, you can do anything until SCOTUS says no.

EDIT: the problem with executive orders for this purpose is that the next administration can just undo them

No, the problem for this purpose is that the President doesn't have the power to do these things and the Republicans would definitely not let Biden get away with executive overreach that impacts their ability to win an election.

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Voter ID should come with a free lollipop.

Or a free ice cream cone. Maybe the President can share his love for ice cream to Americans.

Smart.

[Forsher]

In the US, you can do anything until SCOTUS says no.

And they would.

Should they?

"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".

If states are making voter ID laws, and they are, then the execution of those laws implies that voter ID ought to exist. I mean, yes, there's a federal versus state level distinction here, but given that those are laws governing a federal process (even if the power over that process is designated to the states), I'd argue there's a common sense rebuttal to this objection (though, yes, I doubt there's legal rebuttal).

[San Lumen]

The President can't make law.

ID cards aren't laws. Requiring that people have them? That is a law, but I'm not saying Biden should do that.

The executive order you want him to sign would be making law and therefore not constitutional.

[Forsher]

In the US, you can do anything until SCOTUS says no.

EDIT: the problem with executive orders for this purpose is that the next administration can just undo them

No, the problem for this purpose is that the President doesn't have the power to do these things and the Republicans would definitely not let Biden get away with executive overreach that impacts their ability to win an election.

Republicans: We need voter ID laws.

Biden: I'm trying to give you voter IDs.

Republicans: ...

Stop repeating your conclusions. I know what you think. You should have started talking about the basis for your argument two posts ago.

[Forsher]

ID cards aren't laws. Requiring that people have them? That is a law, but I'm not saying Biden should do that.

The executive order you want him to sign would be making law and therefore not constitutional.

Please, tell me how creating a federal ministry is a law. As opposed to a specific Article Two power of POTUS.

Once again, requiring people to carry an ID card is a law. Creating them isn't.

[Ifreann]

And they would.

Should they?

"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".

If states are making voter ID laws, and they are, then the execution of those laws implies that voter ID ought to exist. I mean, yes, there's a federal versus state level distinction here, but given that those are laws governing a federal process (even if the power over that process is designated to the states), I'd argue there's a common sense rebuttal to this objection (though, yes, I doubt there's legal rebuttal).

This is an awful lot of words to just agree with me without saying anything else of consequence.

[San Lumen]

The executive order you want him to sign would be making law and therefore not constitutional.

Please, tell me how creating a federal ministry is a law. As opposed to a specific Article Two power of POTUS.

Once again, requiring people to carry an ID card is a law. Creating them isn't.

Creating a federal department requires an act of congress.

The president cannot make a executive order to require or create voter id. They cannot make law. What part of this don’t you get?

[Forsher]

Should they?



If states are making voter ID laws, and they are, then the execution of those laws implies that voter ID ought to exist. I mean, yes, there's a federal versus state level distinction here, but given that those are laws governing a federal process (even if the power over that process is designated to the states), I'd argue there's a common sense rebuttal to this objection (though, yes, I doubt there's legal rebuttal).

This is an awful lot of words to just agree with me without saying anything else of consequence.

It's not agreeing with you.

It's saying that SCOTUS shouldn't get rid of bIDen cards because it's not executive over-reach.

Well...

To allay the inevitable comparisons to "papers, please", he will also need to issue an executive order making it an offence for anyone other than a poll worker on an election day to ask for a National Voter ID card.

That bit is a law.

Creating a federal department requires an act of congress.

I may have misunderstood this bit, but you're going to need a source. Compare:

Moss's is a design-focused spin on an argument Quincy Jones has been making, as well: in 2009, the producer started a campaign asking President Obama to appoint a Secretary of Culture.

That's from The Atlantic. It positions the matter as being no more difficult than a simple appointment. Well, I say simple... appointments would need approval, no?

Furthermore:

Executive agencies are created by the president, while legislative agencies are established by an act of Congress. One of the main differences between an executive agency and a legislative agency is that the president may remove the head of an executive agency at any time with or without cause. To remove the head of a legislative agency, the president must show cause.

which agrees with my "analysis" of Article 2, Section 2, but does appear to be basically a blog:

The United States Constitution does not provide specific and direct authority for the establishment of executive agencies or the appointment of Cabinet members. However, Article II, section 2, the Constitution states that the president may “require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices.”

So... please, what basis, your claim?

The president cannot make a executive order to require or create voter id. They cannot make law. What part of this don’t you get?

Not all policies are law. Not all actions of governments are law.

You continue to assert that creating a voter ID (any national ID system) is a law. It is not. Why, then, do you insist that it is? I have no idea.

[Ifreann]

No, the problem for this purpose is that the President doesn't have the power to do these things and the Republicans would definitely not let Biden get away with executive overreach that impacts their ability to win an election.

We need voter ID laws.

America doesn't really need voter ID laws.

I'm trying to give you voter IDs.

Yeah, but you really ought to understand that what you're proposing isn't within the scope of the US President's power. Actually, you do seem to understand that, but you're proposing it anyway and just sort of talking a lot around how it isn't in within the scope of the President's power.

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Stop repeating your conclusions. I know what you think. You should have started talking about the basis for your argument two posts ago.

Your advice will be given all due consideration.

[Forsher]

We need voter ID laws.

America doesn't really need voter ID laws.

I can see how this was unclear. I'm pretending to be the Republicans.

I'm trying to give you voter IDs.

Yeah, but you really ought to understand that what you're proposing isn't within the scope of the US President's power. Actually, you do seem to understand that, but you're proposing it anyway and just sort of talking a lot around how it isn't in within the scope of the President's power.

Given the two people disagreeing with my interpretation are (1) confusing what I'm suggesting Biden do with lawmaking and (2) not explaining their interpretation of Biden's Article 2 powers, I think it's very much clear that the best argument made in the thread to date is "actually, yes, Biden has these powers".

(n.b. executive orders may not be how executive departments are created, in which case I'm correct that Biden has the power, but was initially wrong about how he could try and do it)

[Talvezout]

Democracy sausages should honestly be a thing in the States.

[Kowani]

No charges will be filed in the case of the Capitol Police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during the Capitol Storming

[Galloism]

No charges will be filed in the case of the Capitol Police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during the Capitol Storming

I mean, that seemed obvious for the situation.

Unarmed does not mean not dangerous, and the police there were faced with both aggression and disparity of force.

[Kowani]

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) announces retirement

[Talvezout]

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) announces retirement

Here is a helpful map of current retirements - 7 Ds retiring (3 resign, 1 death), and 7 Rs retiring (2 deaths). Provided by @JonMIPol on Twitter.

(light grey is death/resignation, light blue is Dem retirement and light pink is Rep retirement)