American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Rehoboth Beach]

Is that your opinion or is that in the actual rules of war?

Great Question, I don't know, but Therm was in the Army, so he probably knows what he is talking about.

All's fair in Love and War.

[Picairn]

According to the grapevine the Biden administration is planning on turning their focus towards Russia and China.

Good.

[Shrillland]

We know, we're just letting you know how things tend to work amongst the regulars of the place. And don't let "regulars" discourage you, we're open to everybody.

We are?

More or less. It's not like we actually have standards.

[Kowani]

Chuck Schumer says there will not be an infrastructure deal without climate provisions

[Rehoboth Beach]

I didn't complain.

I know, just making a tongue-and-cheek joke at your expense.

But it fell flat. No sale.

[Salus Maior]

We don't have to destroy entire cities and wipe out centuries of history. we can do my suggestions instead.

But your solutions will lead to fuck all if we don’t also deal with China.

But I want you to answer my question. Are history and art more important than people? Yes or no?

This is such bullshit. You're literally talking about nuking people, so obviously people don't matter to you either.

And, furthermore, if we nuke China what do you think they're going to do with their nukes? Maybe nuking China isn't the option to "save people".

[Washington Resistance Army]

Chuck Schumer says there will not be an infrastructure deal without climate provisions

So there probably won't be an infrastructure deal.

[San Lumen]

But your solutions will lead to fuck all if we don’t also deal with China.

But I want you to answer my question. Are history and art more important than people? Yes or no?

This is such bullshit. You're literally talking about nuking people, so obviously people don't matter to you either.

And, furthermore, if we nuke China what do you think they're going to do with their nukes? Maybe nuking China isn't the option to "save people".

if Beijing was destroyed and the government obliterated whose going to to give the launch order?

[Atheris]

It’s not a war crime to destroy economic centers to destroy an enemies ability to wage war.

Is that your opinion or is that in the actual rules of war?

Well, let's crack open the old "law of war" book. Ahem.

Modern laws of war regarding conduct during war (jus in bello), such as the 1949 Geneva Conventions, provide that it is unlawful for belligerents to engage in combat without meeting certain requirements, such as wearing distinctive uniform or other distinctive signs visible at a distance, carrying weapons openly, and conducting operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. Impersonating enemy combatants by wearing the enemy's uniform is allowed, though fighting in that uniform is unlawful perfidy, as is the taking of hostages.

And going to the International Humanitarian Law book...

Project of an International Declaration concerning the Laws and Customs of War, Brussels, 27 August 1874. Article 13(g). Article 18 of the 1913 Oxford Manual of Naval War provides: “It is forbidden to destroy enemy property, except in the cases where such destruction is imperatively required by the necessities of war.”

So... I'd say it's legal.

[Thermodolia]

But your solutions will lead to fuck all if we don’t also deal with China.

But I want you to answer my question. Are history and art more important than people? Yes or no?

Nuking them is insane. 20 million people do not deserve to die in Beijing nor does centuries or millennia of history much or it irreplaceable deserve to be vaporized.

Please answer the question.

And the nuking was used as you said you didn’t care what had to be done to end global warming. Evidently you do in fact care what happens.

But that’s besides the point China needs to be stopped in order for any anti-global warming things to work. We don’t have to nuke them but we could definitely go to war with them or halt all trade to them

[San Lumen]

Nuking them is insane. 20 million people do not deserve to die in Beijing nor does centuries or millennia of history much or it irreplaceable deserve to be vaporized.

Please answer the question.

And the nuking was used as you said you didn’t care what had to be done to end global warming. Evidently you do in fact care what happens.

But that’s besides the point China needs to be stopped in order for any anti-global warming things to work. We don’t have to nuke them but we could definitely go to war with them or halt all trade to them

A war is not worth it. Halting all trade would collapse the economy.

[Salus Maior]

This is such bullshit. You're literally talking about nuking people, so obviously people don't matter to you either.

And, furthermore, if we nuke China what do you think they're going to do with their nukes? Maybe nuking China isn't the option to "save people".

if Beijing was destroyed and the government obliterated whose going to to give the launch order?

Because I'm sure the entire government and military structure exists in Beijing.

Ffs.

[Rehoboth Beach]

Chuck Schumer says there will not be an infrastructure deal without climate provisions

Yay!
Climate deniers should ask selves why any decent engineer would want to build infrastructure while ignoring climate changes? Isn't that actually part of his/her job?

[Thermodolia]

But your solutions will lead to fuck all if we don’t also deal with China.

But I want you to answer my question. Are history and art more important than people? Yes or no?

This is such bullshit. You're literally talking about nuking people, so obviously people don't matter to you either.

And, furthermore, if we nuke China what do you think they're going to do with their nukes? Maybe nuking China isn't the option to "save people".

The nuking isn’t something I’m seriously considering, it was to probe Lumen who said that he doesn’t care what we’d have to do to end global warming. Nuking the planet obviously would end global warming, but he obviously didn’t support that which shows there is a limit.

All this was done to get people to stop saying “I don’t care let’s do it no matter the cost” if they don’t actually want to go all the way

[Dresderstan]

Nuking them is insane. 20 million people do not deserve to die in Beijing nor does centuries or millennia of history much or it irreplaceable deserve to be vaporized.

Please answer the question.

And the nuking was used as you said you didn’t care what had to be done to end global warming. Evidently you do in fact care what happens.

But that’s besides the point China needs to be stopped in order for any anti-global warming things to work. We don’t have to nuke them but we could definitely go to war with them or halt all trade to them

And besides don't the ends justify the means?

[The Black Forrest]

Those cities have some very important historical artifacts and buildings. I would not wish to see them vaporized such as the Forbidden City.

Like you yourself said the planet matters more and if some people don’t like it, tough.

We absolutely should restrict fishing and some people don't like it tough.

Restrict yes. Completely ban no. We need to balance aggressive actions with concern for the livelihood of the common man.

That would depend on the stock of fish and the reproduction rates. If they are in safe numbers? Sure. Restriction and control are acceptable.

If they are in precarious lows, sorry your livelihood is not worth protection when you are heading to wiping out your supplies.

Coal mines should die. They are. The trumpists keep waving the sickly bodies of miners and yelling this is America! Natural gas is killing them. No more prop ups. It’s an industry which once had a purpose. It’s time to let it go like the lamp lighters. Now should we abandon them and say sucks to be you? Well; I am not a trumpist so I will say these people do need support and transition abilities. And I mean the miners; not the owners as they already have the ability to take care of themselves.

Anyway……

[Thermodolia]

Please answer the question.

And the nuking was used as you said you didn’t care what had to be done to end global warming. Evidently you do in fact care what happens.

But that’s besides the point China needs to be stopped in order for any anti-global warming things to work. We don’t have to nuke them but we could definitely go to war with them or halt all trade to them

A war is not worth it. Halting all trade would collapse the economy.

But both of those actions would solve global warming. We need to be aggressive. Half assing it isn’t going to work

[Thermodolia]

Like you yourself said the planet matters more and if some people don’t like it, tough.


Restrict yes. Completely ban no. We need to balance aggressive actions with concern for the livelihood of the common man.

That would depend on the stock of fish and the reproduction rates. If they are in safe numbers? Sure. Restriction and control are acceptable.

If they are in precarious lows, sorry your livelihood is not worth protection when you are heading to wiping out your supplies.

Coal mines should die. They are. The trumpists keep waving the sickly bodies of miners and yelling this is America! Natural gas is killing them. No more prop ups. It’s an industry which once had a purpose. It’s time to let it go like the lamp lighters. Now should we abandon them and say sucks to be you? Well; I am not a trumpist so I will say these people do need support and transition abilities. And I mean the miners; not the owners as they already have the ability to take care of themselves.

Anyway……

I’m in full agreement here.

If we are going to be aggressive in fighting global warming we need to be able to help those who are going to be effected by the changes.

If that means UBI until things are better than so be it.

[Picairn]

There are millions of skilled, middle class jobs unfilled in the United States.

Wrong, there is a job shortage right now because corporations pay workers too little.

Your narrative collapses right there.

Your narrative is fantasy.

If you want to blame someone, blame the leftist government education monopoly that has motivated, intelligent and energetic kids entering the system and twelve years later they can't write a coherent paragraph or cite the three branches of the federal government.

That means, the left has utterly failed to educate students despite having them for 7 hours a day for 12 years.

Leftists don't dominate government education. Schools are run by the states and local communities.

Pathetic when good jobs are left unfilled.

There are no good jobs.

[The Black Forrest]

Especially considering, eventually someone is going to be stuck with a shit job, no amount of "job makers" or advanced technology is going to change that.

That's just how scarcity works in general and specifically job scarcity.

But people at the top always imagine they'll be at the top forever or they can always change the government to always suit their own needs, even if it means destroying the republic in the process.

There are millions of skilled, middle class jobs unfilled in the United States.

Your narrative collapses right there.

If you want to blame someone, blame the leftist government education monopoly that has motivated, intelligent and energetic kids entering the system and twelve years later they can't write a coherent paragraph or cite the three branches of the federal government.

That means, the left has utterly failed to educate students despite having them for 7 hours a day for 12 years.

Pathetic when good jobs are left unfilled.

Your schtick is interesting and yet seen many times before.

There are indeed many unfilled jobs. The problem with a large amount of them; they are minimum wage jobs which doesn’t cover things like child care and oh health insurance. We gotta fight dem dar soclistic communist gays types ya know? While keeping out for Jewish space lazers. There isn’t time!!!!

There are many unfilled jobs at well my level which is tech and it’s because they are looking for 20 year olds with 30 years experience. I had two more interviews. They loved me; they love my phone interview. I do the video group meeting and I can actually see a couple *sigh*

Hate to break it to you duh ebul leftist gay commies aren’t behind this problem.

[Washington Resistance Army]

North Korea would surrender their nukes in a fortnight under Chinese pressure.

Actually the biggest way to say you know nothing about the DPRK beyond what Fox tells you. The KPA built a line of fortifications along its northern border with China and stationed units on it years ago. While they're still friendly with Beijing they've made clear they'll fight anyone and everyone if need be.

[Lady Victory]

North Korea would surrender their nukes in a fortnight under Chinese pressure.

Actually the biggest way to say you know nothing about the DPRK beyond what Fox tells you. The KPA built a line of fortifications along its northern border with China and stationed units on it years ago. While they're still friendly with Beijing they've made clear they'll fight anyone and everyone if need be.

Which is painfully ironic because they're the IRL equivalent of a Civilization player that's a whole tech era behind everyone else, meaning they'd get their asses handed to them no matter who they fight. He'll I wouldn't be surprised if they went to war with themselves and still lost.

[The Black Forrest]

There are no good jobs.

Ya big silly. You don’t speak conservative. Anything that pays a salary; no matter how small is a good job! You just have to work many so you can pull yourself up by your boot straps.

They still live in the myth of economic prosperity of the 50s.

I am not good with printed sarcasm. so [/s]

[New haven america]

Actually the biggest way to say you know nothing about the DPRK beyond what Fox tells you. The KPA built a line of fortifications along its northern border with China and stationed units on it years ago. While they're still friendly with Beijing they've made clear they'll fight anyone and everyone if need be.

Which is painfully ironic because they're the IRL equivalent of a Civilization player that's a whole tech era behind everyone else, meaning they'd get their asses handed to them no matter who they fight. He'll I wouldn't be surprised if they went to war with themselves and still lost.

A year or 2 ago they tried scrambling their fighter jets from the 1970's and 80's (Because those are the only ones they have), and ~1/2 of them crashed or failed to take off because of mechanical and organizational failure.

[Punished UMN]

Actually the biggest way to say you know nothing about the DPRK beyond what Fox tells you. The KPA built a line of fortifications along its northern border with China and stationed units on it years ago. While they're still friendly with Beijing they've made clear they'll fight anyone and everyone if need be.

Which is painfully ironic because they're the IRL equivalent of a Civilization player that's a whole tech era behind everyone else, meaning they'd get their asses handed to them no matter who they fight. He'll I wouldn't be surprised if they went to war with themselves and still lost.

As I said to Tars earlier, that's a bit of an exaggeration. North Korea is technologically behind by quite a bit, but they are technologically advanced enough that their bulk and their effort at fortification and terrain nullify quite a bit of that.