American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[San Lumen]

And speaking of President Manchin

Manchin circulating information to colleagues about what he wants + doesn't want in elections bill

Wants expanded early voting, ban on partisan gerrymandering. But he opposes other key provisions and wants new voter ID requirements Manchin wants more flexibility for state officials to remove voters from voter rolls. He also opposes no excuse absentee voting and has indicated discomfort with public financing of elections. He's also been telling colleagues he still thinks he can get Republican support

I am optimistic we will get a a election reform bill passed.

[Kowani]

And speaking of President Manchin

Manchin circulating information to colleagues about what he wants + doesn't want in elections bill

Wants expanded early voting, ban on partisan gerrymandering. But he opposes other key provisions and wants new voter ID requirements Manchin wants more flexibility for state officials to remove voters from voter rolls. He also opposes no excuse absentee voting and has indicated discomfort with public financing of elections. He's also been telling colleagues he still thinks he can get Republican support

I am optimistic we will get a a election reform bill passed.

no we won't
why one earth would we
it's not in the republicans' interest to vote for one-no matter how small it is (save for "make biden waste political capital on small bill that won't do shit)
and mcconnell's already come out against HR4
you're just not gonna get 10 votes for it

[Kowani]

Also, both Reps. Marjorie Tylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) are blaming the FBI for the capitol storming

[Atheris]

Also, both Reps. Marjorie Tylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) are blaming the FBI for the capitol storming

To quote Altrive again:

"Oh no! Who could have seen this coming!"

[Cannot think of a name]

Also, both Reps. Marjorie Tylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) are blaming the FBI for the capitol storming

I mean, what credibility do they have left? Swing for the fences. If you're still on board with those two, you're in for the whooooole ride.

[North Washington Republic]

Also, both Reps. Marjorie Tylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) are blaming the FBI for the capitol storming

Can right wing populists finally stop fucking lying and finally admit that hate cops and law enforcement(if they’re not white supremacists)

[The Reformed American Republic]

Also, both Reps. Marjorie Tylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) are blaming the FBI for the capitol storming

Can right wing populists finally stop fucking lying and finally admit that hate cops and law enforcement(if they’re not white supremacists)

I don't think even most of the Trumpians are outright white supremacists (with the exceptions of the Nazis in the movement) as the Proud Boy's leader isn't even white, but it goes without saying that they do hate law enforcement unless it sides with them as opposed to impartially enforcing the law.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Also, both Reps. Marjorie Tylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) are blaming the FBI for the capitol storming

Republicans: Back the Blue!


Also Republicans: The FBI staged the attack!

[The Reformed American Republic]

Also, both Reps. Marjorie Tylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) are blaming the FBI for the capitol storming

Republicans: Back the Blue!


Also Republicans: The FBI staged the attack!

Because they unfortunately seem to lack principles. They like police when they do something they like, and the right hates the police when they do something they hate.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Can right wing populists finally stop fucking lying and finally admit that hate cops and law enforcement(if they’re not white supremacists)

I don't think even most of the Trumpians are outright white supremacists (with the exceptions of the Nazis in the movement) as the Proud Boy's leader isn't even white, but it goes without saying that they do hate law enforcement unless it sides with them as opposed to impartially enforcing the law.

Depends on how you define white supremacist. Many of them have a rather stereotypical view of minorities and while most may tolerate some token black and brown folks, I think the majority feel highly uncomfortable about the idea of a majority minority America.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... tcome-poll

A slight majority of Republican voters say that state-level reviews of the 2020 presidential election will uncover information that will reverse the outcome of the race, according to a new Morning Consult-Politico poll.

A majority of Republicans in the poll, 51 percent, indicated they think reviews of the 2020 election will change its outcome, including 29 percent who "definitely" think it will change the outcome and 22 percent who think it "probably" will change the results.

These people truly live in another reality.

[North Washington Republic]

Republicans: Back the Blue!


Also Republicans: The FBI staged the attack!

Because they unfortunately seem to lack principles. They like police when they do something they like, and the right hates the police when they do something they hate.

All they care about is “owning da libs”. They don’t give two fucks about policy. They just hate the left(which includes centrists like me)

[Kowani]

Louisiana extends early voting in presidential elections by 3 days

[Galloism]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/558697-majority-of-republicans-thinks-state-reviews-will-change-2020-outcome-poll

A slight majority of Republican voters say that state-level reviews of the 2020 presidential election will uncover information that will reverse the outcome of the race, according to a new Morning Consult-Politico poll.

A majority of Republicans in the poll, 51 percent, indicated they think reviews of the 2020 election will change its outcome, including 29 percent who "definitely" think it will change the outcome and 22 percent who think it "probably" will change the results.

These people truly live in another reality.

Here's what I don't understand.

Presume, for a moment, that all the trumpian fever dreams come true. The Russians, Chinese, Liberal Media, Illuminati, Aliens (both the human and outer space kind) and Lizardpeople cheated and rigged the vote. There's no evidence of any of this, but let's assume they bust it wide open and prove it to a standard of evidence that no reasonable person could dispute it.

The ship is sailed. Seriously. The electoral college voted and decided the election, and congress confirmed it. It's over. It's finished. Even if you prove every fever dream absolutely true, all it means is that you torpedoed the political capital of the people in office. It doesn't mean they're removed from office. We don't have any mechanism to actually do that. They will serve out their terms unless the people already voted in choose to vote to impeach them.

Changing the results at this point doesn't change the result.

[North Washington Republic]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/558697-majority-of-republicans-thinks-state-reviews-will-change-2020-outcome-poll

A slight majority of Republican voters say that state-level reviews of the 2020 presidential election will uncover information that will reverse the outcome of the race, according to a new Morning Consult-Politico poll.

A majority of Republicans in the poll, 51 percent, indicated they think reviews of the 2020 election will change its outcome, including 29 percent who "definitely" think it will change the outcome and 22 percent who think it "probably" will change the results.

These people truly live in another reality.

Here's what I don't understand.

Presume, for a moment, that all the trumpian fever dreams come true. The Russians, Chinese, Liberal Media, Illuminati, Aliens (both the human and outer space kind) and Lizardpeople cheated and rigged the vote. There's no evidence of any of this, but let's assume they bust it wide open and prove it to a standard of evidence that no reasonable person could dispute it.

The ship is sailed. Seriously. The electoral college voted and decided the election, and congress confirmed it. It's over. It's finished. Even if you prove every fever dream absolutely true, all it means is that you torpedoed the political capital of the people in office. It doesn't mean they're removed from office. We don't have any mechanism to actually do that. They will serve out their terms unless the people already voted in choose to vote to impeach them.

Changing the results at this point doesn't change the result.

They’re delusional, dude. And these are the type of people that will lash out violently when their delusions don’t come true. The FBI and Homeland Security need to be working overtime tracking these fuckers.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/558697-majority-of-republicans-thinks-state-reviews-will-change-2020-outcome-poll

A slight majority of Republican voters say that state-level reviews of the 2020 presidential election will uncover information that will reverse the outcome of the race, according to a new Morning Consult-Politico poll.

A majority of Republicans in the poll, 51 percent, indicated they think reviews of the 2020 election will change its outcome, including 29 percent who "definitely" think it will change the outcome and 22 percent who think it "probably" will change the results.

These people truly live in another reality.

Here's what I don't understand.

Presume, for a moment, that all the trumpian fever dreams come true. The Russians, Chinese, Liberal Media, Illuminati, Aliens (both the human and outer space kind) and Lizardpeople cheated and rigged the vote. There's no evidence of any of this, but let's assume they bust it wide open and prove it to a standard of evidence that no reasonable person could dispute it.

The ship is sailed. Seriously. The electoral college voted and decided the election, and congress confirmed it. It's over. It's finished. Even if you prove every fever dream absolutely true, all it means is that you torpedoed the political capital of the people in office. It doesn't mean they're removed from office. We don't have any mechanism to actually do that. They will serve out their terms unless the people already voted in choose to vote to impeach them.

Changing the results at this point doesn't change the result.

Even if they were removed the Vice President would become president and lets say for the sake of this hypothetical they got impeached too. The Speaker of the House becomes president. There is no mechanism for someone who lost an election to be installed as President or the winner of any election.

[Galloism]

Here's what I don't understand.

Presume, for a moment, that all the trumpian fever dreams come true. The Russians, Chinese, Liberal Media, Illuminati, Aliens (both the human and outer space kind) and Lizardpeople cheated and rigged the vote. There's no evidence of any of this, but let's assume they bust it wide open and prove it to a standard of evidence that no reasonable person could dispute it.

The ship is sailed. Seriously. The electoral college voted and decided the election, and congress confirmed it. It's over. It's finished. Even if you prove every fever dream absolutely true, all it means is that you torpedoed the political capital of the people in office. It doesn't mean they're removed from office. We don't have any mechanism to actually do that. They will serve out their terms unless the people already voted in choose to vote to impeach them.

Changing the results at this point doesn't change the result.

Even if they were removed the Vice President would become president and lets say for the sake of this hypothetical they got impeached too. The Speaker of the House becomes president. There is no mechanism for someone who lost an election to be installed as President or the winner of any election.

I'm actually a little unclear what happens if you impeach president, vice president, speaker of the house who becomes acting president. If a new speaker of the house is chosen while the speaker of the house is acting president, does it change the acting president? does the new speaker become next in the line of succession?

We've never been down this path and I'm a little unclear on the rules.

[San Lumen]

Even if they were removed the Vice President would become president and lets say for the sake of this hypothetical they got impeached too. The Speaker of the House becomes president. There is no mechanism for someone who lost an election to be installed as President or the winner of any election.

I'm actually a little unclear what happens if you impeach president, vice president, speaker of the house who becomes acting president. If a new speaker of the house is chosen while the speaker of the house is acting president, does it change the acting president? does the new speaker become next in the line of succession?

We've never been down this path and I'm a little unclear on the rules.

I don't know what would happen either. The Speaker would probably have to resign as they cannot legally hold two offices at once.

[Atheris]

Even if they were removed the Vice President would become president and lets say for the sake of this hypothetical they got impeached too. The Speaker of the House becomes president. There is no mechanism for someone who lost an election to be installed as President or the winner of any election.

I'm actually a little unclear what happens if you impeach president, vice president, speaker of the house who becomes acting president. If a new speaker of the house is chosen while the speaker of the house is acting president, does it change the acting president? does the new speaker become next in the line of succession?

We've never been down this path and I'm a little unclear on the rules.

Line of succession!

If the Speaker is also taken out of office, it goes to President pro tempore of the Senate, then the Secretary of State, then the Secretary of the Treasury, then the Secretary of Defense, then the Attorney General, then of the Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Energy, Education, Veterans Affairs, Homeland Security and then the designated survivor.

[San Lumen]

I'm actually a little unclear what happens if you impeach president, vice president, speaker of the house who becomes acting president. If a new speaker of the house is chosen while the speaker of the house is acting president, does it change the acting president? does the new speaker become next in the line of succession?

We've never been down this path and I'm a little unclear on the rules.

Line of succession!

If the Speaker is also taken out of office, it goes to President pro tempore of the Senate, then the Secretary of State, then the Secretary of the Treasury, then the Secretary of Defense, then the Attorney General, then of the Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Energy, Education, Veterans Affairs, Homeland Security and then the designated survivor.

designated survivor only applies when the full government is assembled such as at inauguration or the State of the Union.

[Atheris]

Line of succession!

If the Speaker is also taken out of office, it goes to President pro tempore of the Senate, then the Secretary of State, then the Secretary of the Treasury, then the Secretary of Defense, then the Attorney General, then of the Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Energy, Education, Veterans Affairs, Homeland Security and then the designated survivor.

designated survivor only applies when the full government is assembled such as at inauguration or the State of the Union.

I mean, it might also apply if literally everybody else is out of the running.

[San Lumen]

designated survivor only applies when the full government is assembled such as at inauguration or the State of the Union.

I mean, it might also apply if literally everybody else is out of the running.

Who would that be? Only the president can name them and only for those occasions.

[Atheris]

I mean, it might also apply if literally everybody else is out of the running.

Who would that be? Only the president can name them and only for those occasions.

I dunno.

[Cannot think of a name]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/558697-majority-of-republicans-thinks-state-reviews-will-change-2020-outcome-poll

A slight majority of Republican voters say that state-level reviews of the 2020 presidential election will uncover information that will reverse the outcome of the race, according to a new Morning Consult-Politico poll.

A majority of Republicans in the poll, 51 percent, indicated they think reviews of the 2020 election will change its outcome, including 29 percent who "definitely" think it will change the outcome and 22 percent who think it "probably" will change the results.

These people truly live in another reality.

Here's what I don't understand.

Presume, for a moment, that all the trumpian fever dreams come true. The Russians, Chinese, Liberal Media, Illuminati, Aliens (both the human and outer space kind) and Lizardpeople cheated and rigged the vote. There's no evidence of any of this, but let's assume they bust it wide open and prove it to a standard of evidence that no reasonable person could dispute it.

The ship is sailed. Seriously. The electoral college voted and decided the election, and congress confirmed it. It's over. It's finished. Even if you prove every fever dream absolutely true, all it means is that you torpedoed the political capital of the people in office. It doesn't mean they're removed from office. We don't have any mechanism to actually do that. They will serve out their terms unless the people already voted in choose to vote to impeach them.

Changing the results at this point doesn't change the result.

No, but it does end up justifying any of their voter suppression moves as well as undermines their opponents so that the next election they're in and they get to completely rewrite the rules.

[Kowani]

Here's what I don't understand.

Presume, for a moment, that all the trumpian fever dreams come true. The Russians, Chinese, Liberal Media, Illuminati, Aliens (both the human and outer space kind) and Lizardpeople cheated and rigged the vote. There's no evidence of any of this, but let's assume they bust it wide open and prove it to a standard of evidence that no reasonable person could dispute it.

The ship is sailed. Seriously. The electoral college voted and decided the election, and congress confirmed it. It's over. It's finished. Even if you prove every fever dream absolutely true, all it means is that you torpedoed the political capital of the people in office. It doesn't mean they're removed from office. We don't have any mechanism to actually do that. They will serve out their terms unless the people already voted in choose to vote to impeach them.

Changing the results at this point doesn't change the result.

No, but it does end up justifying any of their voter suppression moves as well as undermines their opponents so that the next election they're in and they get to completely rewrite the rules.

bingo
it's not about the last election (that's for the minds of the base)
it's about setting themselves up to win the next one