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Postby Senkaku » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:49 am

Galloism wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Biden will announce that he's moving the deadline for States to open COVID vaccines to all U.S. adults to April 19.

The original deadline was May 1st though most States other than Oregon and Hawaii have announced they will make the vaccine to all adults by April 19th. He will also announce that 150 shots have been administered in 75 Days since he took office.

2 a day?

I’m told making mRNA is very complicated :p
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Postby Joohan » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:22 am

Bringing things back to the environmental debate, a liberal society, whose precepts are based upon the pleasure and fulfillment of the individual, is not and cannot will itself into responsible consumption. What few people who may take a moral stand against harmful mass consumption will be overshadowed by the masses who are either ignorant or prefer the ease of their current situation.

Corporations may be the worst polluters, but that's only because of public demand for their goods and services. Liberalism is the politics of the masses, and the masses want pleasure and ease, not collective responsibility
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Postby Kilobugya » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:25 am

Joohan wrote:Corporations may be the worst polluters, but that's only because of public demand for their goods and services.


Suuure it's not like they artificially create such demand through advertising and programmed obsolescence. And it's not like said goods and services couldn't be produced for just a slightly higher price with a much lower environmental footprint.

Joohan wrote:Liberalism is the politics of the masses, and the masses want pleasure and ease, not collective responsibility


That's why the majority of "masses" are in favor of Green New Deal ?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:55 am

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/poli ... n-2323125/

Mayor of Nevada's third largest city North Las Vegas John Lee has announced he is switching parties to become a Republican.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:59 am

Kilobugya wrote:
Joohan wrote:Corporations may be the worst polluters, but that's only because of public demand for their goods and services.


Suuure it's not like they artificially create such demand through advertising and programmed obsolescence. And it's not like said goods and services couldn't be produced for just a slightly higher price with a much lower environmental footprint.


That's the kicker though, they really can't be. Computerized civilization and everything we build and use is built on the back of finite resources and it takes immense energy and resources to not only keep these things in production and working but to move them worldwide.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:00 am

Finally, movement on the Iran Deal

Efforts to bring the United States back into the 2015 deal on Iran’s nuclear program are to step up a gear on Tuesday as Iran and the five world powers remaining in the accord meet in Vienna while the U.S. is due to start indirect talks with Tehran.

Friday’s announcement that Washington and Tehran would begin indirect talks through intermediaries was one of the first signs of tangible progress in efforts to return both nations to the terms of the accord, which bound Iran to restrictions in return for relief from U.S. and international sanctions.[…] Senior foreign ministry officials from the countries still in the accord, the so-called Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, are holding a European Union-chaired meeting Tuesday in Vienna. Also due in the Austrian capital is a U.S. delegation headed by the administration’s special envoy for Iran, Rob Malley. State Department spokesman Ned Price said talks will be structured around working groups that the Europeans will form with the other parties to the accord.

Price said on Monday the talks are a “healthy step forward” but added that “we don’t anticipate an early or immediate breakthrough as these discussions, we fully expect, will be difficult.”

“We don’t anticipate at present that there will be direct talks with Iran,” he said. “Though of course we remain open to them. And so we’ll have to see how things go starting early this week.”

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif wrote on Twitter Friday: “No Iran-US meeting. Unnecessary.”

A statement issued after parties to the accord met virtually on Friday said the aim of their meeting Tuesday is to “clearly identify sanctions lifting and nuclear implementation measures, including through convening meetings of the relevant expert groups.”
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Postby Joohan » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:01 am

Kilobugya wrote:
Suuure it's not like they artificially create such demand through advertising and programmed obsolescence. And it's not like said goods and services couldn't be produced for just a slightly higher price with a much lower environmental footprint.


Yes, businesses took advantage of the entrepreneursism and individuality of the west in order to generate profits for themselves... that's kind of the whole point. The system was open to corruption at its foundation.

That's why the majority of "masses" are in favor of Green new deal?


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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:15 am

Joohan wrote:
Kilobugya wrote:
Suuure it's not like they artificially create such demand through advertising and programmed obsolescence. And it's not like said goods and services couldn't be produced for just a slightly higher price with a much lower environmental footprint.


Yes, businesses took advantage of the entrepreneursism and individuality of the west in order to generate profits for themselves... that's kind of the whole point. The system was open to corruption at its foundation.

That's why the majority of "masses" are in favor of Green new deal?


No

It’s important to note that this finding is not unanimous among pollsters
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:20 am

https://newjerseyglobe.com/legislature/ ... -district/

Assemblyman Robert Auth (R-Old Tappan) and Assemblywoman-elect DeAnne DeFuccio (R-Upper Saddle River) In New Jersey may have partially used the wrong petitions and filed general election petitions instead of ones designed for the Republican primary, according to the state Division of Elections.

Secretary of State Tahesha Way could allow them to cure the petitions or accept as is if enough signatures are valid. Its also possible she could reject them entirely which would mean they'd have to go before a judge to be on the primary ballot in June. Two other Republicans are running in the primary. Each assembly district in the state has two members.

New Jersey is holding state legislative elections this year in addition to the gubernatorial election.

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Postby Kilobugya » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:25 am

San Lumen wrote:https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/north-las-vegas-mayor-john-lee-says-hes-becoming-a-republican-2323125/

Mayor of Nevada's third largest city North Las Vegas John Lee has announced he is switching parties to become a Republican.


Isn't that odd to switch from D to R when Nevada itself is trending blue ?
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:30 am

Kilobugya wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/north-las-vegas-mayor-john-lee-says-hes-becoming-a-republican-2323125/

Mayor of Nevada's third largest city North Las Vegas John Lee has announced he is switching parties to become a Republican.


Isn't that odd to switch from D to R when Nevada itself is trending blue ?


I think it's odd just in general to be switching TO Republican. I mean, what in the last couple months have they done to actually gain supporters?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:03 am

Heh. Saw a tweet. Day 75 and Joe Biden has not golfed. Wonder how many times the other guy did?
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:09 am

Galloism wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Biden will announce that he's moving the deadline for States to open COVID vaccines to all U.S. adults to April 19.

The original deadline was May 1st though most States other than Oregon and Hawaii have announced they will make the vaccine to all adults by April 19th. He will also announce that 150 shots have been administered in 75 Days since he took office.

2 a day?


Well now, that would be a national crisis if that were the case. :p

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:10 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Heh. Saw a tweet. Day 75 and Joe Biden has not golfed. Wonder how many times the other guy did?


Day 75 and kiddos still in cages, huh?
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Postby Joohan » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:24 am

Kowani wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Yes, businesses took advantage of the entrepreneursism and individuality of the west in order to generate profits for themselves... that's kind of the whole point. The system was open to corruption at its foundation.



No

It’s important to note that this finding is not unanimous among pollsters


I should say its unlikely that anything approaching a majority of the population ( America ) support it. I've never heard a Republican speak favorably of it ( and that's a little less than half the country right there) and ice even heard quite a fee democrats call it pie in the sky.

Regardless though, when push comes to shove, the public generally dont like it when the government tries to curb irresponsible consumption. The whole yellow vest protest in France started out in reaction to the heightened price of fuel - and here in the states people were up in arms about not being able to buy a 32oz drink at gas stations. People are typically only hypothetically for green and responsible solutions - that is until the moment they realize that such solutions will pose a minor inconvenience to their daily lives.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:02 am

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The Black Forrest wrote:Heh. Saw a tweet. Day 75 and Joe Biden has not golfed. Wonder how many times the other guy did?


Day 75 and kiddos still in cages, huh?

Are the situations comparable?

While much of the media attention has highlighted increased arrivals of children at the U.S.-Mexico border, far less focus has been given to the reduction of shelter capacity that occurred before the numbers of arrivals began increasing. The Biden administration took office with less than half of the shelter capacity that ORR had estimated was needed for preparedness.

Two key developments in 2020 altered the picture: the COVID-19 pandemic and a public-health order that made it possible to expel border arrivals, including unaccompanied children. After the pandemic hit in early 2020, the number of available licensed beds fell sharply. There were several reasons for this—state and local requirements, federal health guidelines, social distancing standards, the need to quarantine and isolate children, and staff absences. Staff absences resulted from illness and because ORR imposed a staffing freeze on shelter providers for a number of months. In November 2020, officials estimated ORR operational capacity had been reduced by about 40 percent, down to 7,800 operational beds.

The sharp reduction in capacity did not cause a shortage of bedspace because the number of children referred to ORR during 2020 fell to its lowest level since 2013. One reason was likely the difficulties in traveling during the pandemic and enforcement efforts in Mexico. Another reason was that the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued an order in March 2020 essentially barring all unauthorized persons from entering the United States via land borders. Under the order, reportedly issued in response to White House pressure and under objections from CDC experts, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) expelled 15,867 unaccompanied children during 2020.

Referrals to ORR fell to near zero for April through July and remained very low through the fall. The situation changed after a federal district judge issued an order on November 18, 2020 enjoining the practice of expelling unaccompanied children. Referrals to ORR doubled between October and December and have continued to grow since then. On January 29, an appellate panel lifted the district court’s order while the case is on appeal. The Biden administration then decided not to resume unaccompanied child expulsions.

The length of time children are in federal custody has varied over time. The great majority are released to a parent, relative, or other person designated by the child’s parents after the potential sponsor is vetted. The average length of time in custody for released children was reduced from 72 days in 2011 to 34 days in 2015 and 38 days in 2016. Length of stay grew during the Trump administration, reaching 93 days in November 2018 in the aftermath of family separation and heightened fingerprint requirements and information sharing with immigration enforcement regarding potential sponsors and persons in their home. The average length of stay was 42 days at the end of January.

Speeding the discharge rate is clearly possible and some decisions can be straightforward, but others likely involve hard tradeoffs. Ensuring a strict separation between ORR services and immigration enforcement can speed discharges because sponsors will be more likely to come forward, and the termination of HHS-DHS information sharing for enforcement was a key step. Further increasing staffing devoted to the discharge process can help. Improving guidance to staff about which inquiries are and are not needed in the sponsor vetting process can matter, as can ensuring that time is not lost when children are transferred between facilities and identifying which aspects are most contributing to the length of the process. But some shortcuts in vetting sponsors, e.g. reduced background checks and verifications, can increase risks to children, which makes it important to carefully weigh benefits against risks. Historically, the greatest concerns about risks of trafficking or other abuses occur when children are released to non-relatives.

Finally, some children in ORR custody arrived at the border with a close relative, such as a grandparent or adult sibling, but under federal law are classified as unaccompanied. It remains unclear how many children are in ORR custody for this reason, but developing a highly expedited process for approving these close relatives as sponsors would prevent needless family separations and reduce the number of children in custody.

Having an immigration system that allows children to enter the country and have their protection claims heard and treats them humanely and allows for family reunification is much preferable to one that expels unaccompanied children without considering their circumstances or claims for immigration relief. The long-term challenge is to rebuild the asylum system and work with the countries of origin to address underlying conditions. The short-term challenge is to have adequate capacity for arriving children. The Biden administration began at significant disadvantage because that capacity was not in place, but it must now navigate the tradeoffs in developing and implementing emergency facilities and adjusting discharge policies, and proceed with transparency in doing so.

Hampered by the Pandemic: Unaccompanied Child Arrivals Increase as Earlier Preparedness Shortfalls Limit the Response
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:07 am

Gravlen wrote:
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Day 75 and kiddos still in cages, huh?

Are the situations comparable?


Apparently Biden can just wave a magic wand and reunite everyone immediately.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:10 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Are the situations comparable?


Apparently Biden can just wave a magic wand and reunite everyone immediately.


So I guess keep them in inhumane conditions until then?

Considering Biden made this a sticking point with Trump it's perfectly valid to criticize him for not improving the situation and apparently just ignoring the fact that it's a thing.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:16 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Apparently Biden can just wave a magic wand and reunite everyone immediately.


So I guess keep them in inhumane conditions until then?

Or work to improve it?

You know, like the Biden admin is doing, after the Trump admin reduced capacity? See my edit above.

Salus Maior wrote:Considering Biden made this a sticking point with Trump it's perfectly valid to criticize him for not improving the situation and apparently just ignoring the fact that it's a thing.

Criticizing him for not improving the situation would be legitimate, if the situation on the ground hadn't changed (lower capacity thanks to Trump, higher number of arrivals) and Biden was doing nothing - which he isn't.

There are things to be critical about, but your argument, reduced to a silly catchphrase as it is, is worthless and useless.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:24 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Heh. Saw a tweet. Day 75 and Joe Biden has not golfed. Wonder how many times the other guy did?

On Day 75 he had only gone golfing once, on 02/04/2017, according to Trumpgolfcount.com
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:27 am



Thats a an oxymoron. Not being involved in politics means they dont get campaign donations. Corporate America should cut the GOP off entirely.

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Money = speech, and it's important that corporations make their voices heard.
Corporations: *Speaks out*
No, not like that.

Also, to quote John Boehner: Fuck Ted Cruz.
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Money = speech, and it's important that corporations make their voices heard.
Corporations: *Speaks out*
No, not like that.

Also, to quote John Boehner: Fuck Ted Cruz.

Corporations shouldn't speak out at all or donate money at all. They should be kept out of politics, though for different reasons.
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