American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[The Reformed American Republic]

To be honest, I should have expected a bad take from NWR, as he is unironically pro-neoconservative and basically is an establishment Democrat.

I take no shame in being an institutionalist or what some called “establishment”. I gave up fringe and more radical political and word views for about 6 years now.

And I think the “bad take” here is yours, saying that the abolishment of slavery was a “hollow victory”

That's not what I said, but rather how I thought people considered it. There's a difference.

[Grenartia]

But I actually have wrangled an alligator

The damnedest things happen when you don't have your camera, eh?

No, it was entirely due to me and my dad being stupid. And a camera wouldn't have caught much, since it was at night.

To be fair, the Republic of West Florida was in Louisiana. But I actually have wrangled an alligator, so I figure I'm close enough.

Candace is that you?

In a sewer? Yuck.

That's gator country for you.

No gods, no kings; only gators.

I heard gator taste good.

Unironically it tastes like chicken.

You consider the abolishment of slavery a “hollow victory”

We had Jim Crow for over a hundred years, and some of its legacy is still prevalent in the South. Reconstruction was a wasted chance.

Edit: I do think Juneteenth deserves to be celebrated, but nonetheless we should remind ourselves the fight isn't over.

Reconstruction should've gone on for longer. The Union half-assed the job.

And the abolition wasn't completely implemented until June 19th, 1865. So, again, is the abolition of slavery not something that we should celebrate?

December 6th is when it should be celebrated, not June 19th.

And thus, by saying that, you're completely ignoring the history of June 19th.

During the American Civil War (1861–1865), emancipation came at different times to various places in the Southern United States. Large celebrations of emancipation, often called Jubilees (recalling the biblical Jubilee in which slaves were freed) occurred on September 22, January 1, July 4, August 1, April 6, and November 1, among other dates. In Texas, emancipation came late: enforced in Texas on June 19, 1865, as the southern rebellion collapsed, emancipation became a well known cause of celebration.[21] While June 19, 1865, was not actually the 'end of slavery' even in Texas (like the Emancipation Proclamation, itself, General Gordon's military order had to be acted upon) and although it has competed with other dates for emancipation's celebration, ordinary African Americans created, preserved, and spread a shared commemoration of slavery's wartime demise across the United States.[10]

Despite the surrender of General Robert E. Lee at Appomattox Court House on April 9, 1865, the western Army of the Trans-Mississippi did not surrender until June 2.[26] On the morning of June 19, 1865, Union Major General Gordon Granger arrived on the island of Galveston, Texas,[27] to take command of the more than 2,000 federal troops[28] recently landed in the department of Texas to enforce the emancipation of its slaves and oversee a peaceful transition of power, additionally nullifying all laws passed within Texas during the war by Confederate lawmakers.[27] The Texas Historical Commission and Galveston Historical Foundation report that Granger’s men marched throughout Galveston reading General Order No. 3 first at Union Army Headquarters at the Osterman Building (formerly at the intersection of Strand Street and 22nd Street, since demolished), in the Strand Historic District. Next they marched to the 1861 Customs House and Courthouse before finally marching to the Negro Church on Broadway, since renamed Reedy Chapel-AME Church.[29] The order informed all Texans that, in accordance with a Proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves were free:

The people of Texas are informed that, in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor. The freedmen are advised to remain quietly at their present homes and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts and that they will not be supported in idleness either there or elsewhere.

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Formerly enslaved people in Galveston celebrated after the announcement.[36] On June 19, 1866, one year after the announcement, freedmen in Texas organized the first of what became the annual celebration of "Jubilee Day".[30] Early celebrations were used as political rallies to give voting instructions to newly freed African Americans.[37] Early independence celebrations often occurred on January 1 or 4.[38]

In some cities, black people were barred by Democrats from using public parks because of state-sponsored segregation of facilities. Across parts of Texas, freed people pooled their funds to purchase land to hold their celebrations.[23][30] The day was first celebrated in Austin in 1867 under the auspices of the Freedmen's Bureau, and it had been listed on a "calendar of public events" by 1872.[33] That year, black leaders in Texas raised $1,000 for the purchase of 10 acres (4 ha) of land to celebrate Juneteenth, today known as Houston's Emancipation Park.[39] The observation was soon drawing thousands of attendees across Texas; an estimated 30,000 black people celebrated at Booker T. Washington Park in Limestone County, Texas, established in 1898 for Juneteenth celebrations.[33][40] Attendance at the Limestone County event fell off sharply in the wake of the 1981 drowning of three local teenagers while in the custody of a Limestone County sheriff’s deputy, a reserve deputy, and a probation officer.[41] By the 1890s, Jubilee Day had become known as Juneteenth.[25]

[Tarsonis]

Reconstruction should've gone on for longer. The Union half-assed the job.

Partially true, but really the Republicans traded it to get Hayes elected. Tilden would have ended it anyway had he taken office.

[The Black Forrest]

Keep the faith. The fight isn't over and the bold and brave will triumph. Never surrender. Victory is yours.

2024, keep an eye on the year. We're going to come out big and we're going to save our country from the incompetence of Joseph Biden.

Listen, if Trump runs, Republicans loose. I recommend Ron DeSantis for good victory chances.

Eh? How does a wannabe trump do better then the original?

[North Washington Republic]

Listen, if Trump runs, Republicans loose. I recommend Ron DeSantis for good victory chances.

Eh? How does a wannabe trump do better then the original?

If Trump doesn’t run, Ron DeSentis has a good chance at getting the nomination. Republican primary voters want the next closest thing if they can’t have Trump.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Listen, if Trump runs, Republicans loose. I recommend Ron DeSantis for good victory chances.

Eh? How does a wannabe trump do better then the original?

Say what you will about the riot bill(could have handled it better), he is more neutral than Trump on some issues, like marijuana and the environment(the last one at least in the everglades). He also did flip a county, and increased the lead in the black-majority Gadsen county and Tampa bay area. In addition, he has military service and is far more likable.

[Grenartia]

No, it was entirely due to me and my dad being stupid. And a camera wouldn't have caught much, since it was at night.

Every animal seems scary big at night. My worst camping memory was hearing galloping horses (wild horses as it turned out). I got out of the tent and didn't get back in.

I knew how big it was (it was a juvenile, about 4ft). And it didn't seem scary. We had a healthy respect for what even a juvenile gator can do. But we also really wanted some of our fishing gear back, and the little bastard wouldn't let go of the line.

So from your history of Juneteenth, no other day would be quite right either, due to the regionality of practical Emancipation?

I think the community most affected by it has organically decided what date works best for them, and that day happens to be today, June 19th.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I don't. I'm saying some people would view it that way thanks to Sharecropping and the like.

To be honest, I should have expected a bad take from NWR, as he is unironically pro-neoconservative and basically is an establishment Democrat.

I see you finally called out the 500000000 pound elephant in the room. I was waiting for someone else to just call a spade a spade.

[North Washington Republic]

To be honest, I should have expected a bad take from NWR, as he is unironically pro-neoconservative and basically is an establishment Democrat.

I see you finally called out the 500000000 pound elephant in the room. I was waiting for someone else to just call a spade a spade.

You’re acting like this is some new discovery. I never made my “establishment” views a secret.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I see you finally called out the 500000000 pound elephant in the room. I was waiting for someone else to just call a spade a spade.

You’re acting like this is some new discovery. I never made my “establishment” views a secret.

No you haven't. I should have commented on how cringy they were a while ago, as Rojava pointed out.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I see you finally called out the 500000000 pound elephant in the room. I was waiting for someone else to just call a spade a spade.

You’re acting like this is some new discovery. I never made my “establishment” views a secret.

You haven't but most people for whatever reason haven't spoken on them.

[North Washington Republic]

You’re acting like this is some new discovery. I never made my “establishment” views a secret.

You haven't but most people for whatever reason haven't spoken on them.

Okay. And I can call you a dirty anarchist, but that wouldn’t be productive.

[The Reformed American Republic]

You’re acting like this is some new discovery. I never made my “establishment” views a secret.

You haven't but most people for whatever reason haven't spoken on them.

I usually don't call people out, the main exceptions being tankies and fascists. I have found establishment views to be cringy, but not worth highlighting, until now.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You haven't but most people for whatever reason haven't spoken on them.

Okay. And I can call you a dirty anarchist, but that wouldn’t be productive.

You could call me that, and you'd be laughably wrong. Whereas when I call you a neoliberal, I'm pretty much spot on in terms of your ideology.

[North Washington Republic]

You haven't but most people for whatever reason haven't spoken on them.

I usually don't call people out, the main exceptions being tankies and fascists. I have found establishment views to be cringy, but not worth highlighting, until now.

Did I piss in your oatmeal or something?

[North Washington Republic]

Okay. And I can call you a dirty anarchist, but that wouldn’t be productive.

You could call me that, and you'd be laughably wrong. Whereas when I call you a neoliberal, I'm pretty much spot on in terms of your ideology.

And I don’t being called a “neoliberal”. The far-right does the same thing.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

You could call me that, and you'd be laughably wrong. Whereas when I call you a neoliberal, I'm pretty much spot on in terms of your ideology.

And I don’t being called a “neoliberal”. The far-right does the same thing.

Except you are a neoliberal. Most of the things you support are exactly what a neoliberal would support. You even got the bothsides rhetoric of one, constantly needing to focus on the violence "on many sides" as if all violence is equal or all is unjustified. And whats the far right gotta do with this?

[North Washington Republic]

And I don’t being called a “neoliberal”. The far-right does the same thing.

Except you are a neoliberal. Most of the things you support are exactly what a neoliberal would support. You even got the bothsides rhetoric of one, constantly needing to focus on the violence "on many sides" as if all violence is equal or all is unjustified. And whats the far right gotta do with this?

I point that out because I subscribe to the horseshoe theory.

I admit that in the United States, I’m center-left. In nearly every Western European country, I would be considered center-right. I make no secret of this.

Can we get back on topic, please? This isn’t my blog and I don’t want to get warned for threadjacking..


The topic was Juneteenth. I say it should be recognized and celebrated as a federal holiday because I view the abolishment of slavery as worthy of celebrating. The fight for equal and equitable justice isn’t finished, but recognition is still part of the fight.

[The Temple of the Computer]

Except you are a neoliberal. Most of the things you support are exactly what a neoliberal would support. You even got the bothsides rhetoric of one, constantly needing to focus on the violence "on many sides" as if all violence is equal or all is unjustified. And whats the far right gotta do with this?

I point that out because I subscribe to the horseshoe theory.

I admit that in the United States, I’m center-left. In nearly every Western European country, I would be considered center-right. I make no secret of this.

Can we get back on topic, please? This isn’t my blog and I don’t want to get warned for threadjacking..


The topic was Juneteenth. I say it should be recognized and celebrated as a federal holiday because I view the abolishment of slavery as worthy of celebrating. I’ll fight for equal and equitable justice isn’t finished, but recognition is still part of the fight.

'Because I subscribe to horseshoe theory' the second you said horseshoe theory I lost all respect I once had for you, but yeah Juneteeth should be a federal holiday.

[Tarsonis]

I point that out because I subscribe to the horseshoe theory.

I admit that in the United States, I’m center-left. In nearly every Western European country, I would be considered center-right. I make no secret of this.

Can we get back on topic, please? This isn’t my blog and I don’t want to get warned for threadjacking..


The topic was Juneteenth. I say it should be recognized and celebrated as a federal holiday because I view the abolishment of slavery as worthy of celebrating. I’ll fight for equal and equitable justice isn’t finished, but recognition is still part of the fight.

'Because I subscribe to horseshoe theory' the second you said horseshoe theory I lost all respect I once had for you, but yeah Juneteeth should be a federal holiday.

Horse shoe theory has its merits. I don't think anyone cares about your respect.

[The Temple of the Computer]

'Because I subscribe to horseshoe theory' the second you said horseshoe theory I lost all respect I once had for you, but yeah Juneteeth should be a federal holiday.

Horse shoe theory has its merits. I don't think anyone cares about your respect.

'From the way that I see it, there is no difference between gassing the jews and not gassing the jews' average horse-shoe centrist.

[Tarsonis]

Horse shoe theory has its merits. I don't think anyone cares about your respect.

'From the way that I see it, there is no difference between gassing the jews and not gassing the jews' average horse-shoe centrist.

Oh I get it, you don't know what horse-shoe theory is.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I usually don't call people out, the main exceptions being tankies and fascists. I have found establishment views to be cringy, but not worth highlighting, until now.

Did I piss in your oatmeal or something?

No, you're self-riotous and are looking for trouble.

[The Temple of the Computer]

'From the way that I see it, there is no difference between gassing the jews and not gassing the jews' average horse-shoe centrist.

Oh I get it, you don't know what horse-shoe theory is.

Oh I do, but you don't care about that do you? Due to some 'both sides' bullshit.

[New haven america]

Horse shoe theory has its merits. I don't think anyone cares about your respect.

'From the way that I see it, there is no difference between gassing the jews and not gassing the jews' average horse-shoe centrist.

That's not Horse Shoe Theory.

Horse Shoe Theory is begin so against something you start actually supporting it.