American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Farnhamia]

No, even before that, with Christian Reconstructionism influencing the GOP even earlier than that.

So that brings us back to like who, Ike? as the last good Republican president?

Pretty much. As Rachel Maddow said, “I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform.”

[Kowani]

So that brings us back to like who, Ike? as the last good Republican president?

Pretty much. As Rachel Maddow said, “I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform.”

i wouldn't call eisenhower good
definitely better than most of what followed, and genuinely cared for the country
but damn if he didn't fuck it up in the most insidious way possible

[Heloin]

The outrage coming from right-wing pundit celebrities over Juneteenth is so obviously just pure grift for clicks. I know they happens a lot for them, but this is just one of the stupidest things to get outraged about. A holiday celebrating when the last slaves were finally free. There is a reason why this got unanimous support in the Senate and a near unanimous support in the House. The few House Republicans that voted against are either stupid or white nationalists.

Some people hate holiday pay and/or more days off apparently.

[Tarsonis]

Pretty much. As Rachel Maddow said, “I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican party platform.”

i wouldn't call eisenhower good
definitely better than most of what followed, and genuinely cared for the country
but damn if he didn't fuck it up in the most insidious way possible

It's the interstate, right? I knew something was up.

[Kowani]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) vetoes funding for the state legislature

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Friday vetoed a portion of the state budget bill funding the state legislature, fulfilling a promise made last month in response to state Democratic lawmakers’ walkout to prevent the passage of a sweeping elections bill.

The veto, which was first reported by the Texas Tribune, has raised concerns on how it will impact legislative staff and agencies, which are funded by the now struck down Article 10.

Abbott said in a statement Friday that “funding should not be provided for those who quit their job early, leaving their state with unfinished business and exposing taxpayers to higher costs for an additional legislative session.” “I therefore object to and disapprove of these appropriations,” he added, according to the Tribune.

Abbott late last month vowed to veto the article hours after state Democrats walked off the House floor in opposition to a Senate-passed bill that called for new election restrictions in the state, including limits on early and curbside voting and a ban on 24-hour voting and temporary outdoor polling places.

Opponents of the legislation, considered to be one of the most sweeping election bills in the series that have come out of GOP-led legislatures this year, have argued that it would disproportionately add impediments on voting for certain segments of the population, including low-income and handicapped voters.

Democrats left the House floor in protest last month, leaving the chamber without enough members present for a quorum and Republicans unable to pass the elections bill before its midnight deadline.

In a statement following the incident, Abbott said it was “deeply disappointing and concerning” that the election bill, whose passage he had made a central priority, was not able to reach his desk.

Abbott said at the time that he would add the legislation to the state’s special session agenda, adding that he expected lawmakers to have “worked out their differences” before returning to the Capitol. During the special session, we will continue to advance policies that put the people of Texas first,” he said.

Lawmakers from both sides of the aisle have expressed concern over Abbott’s veto, with House Democratic Caucus Chairman Chris Turner on Friday calling the move an “abuse of power.”

He added that the caucus was “exploring every option, including immediate legal options, to fight back." "Texas has a governor, not a dictator," he said in a statement to the Tribune. "The tyrannical veto of the legislative branch is the latest indication that [Abbott] is simply out of control.”

In an interview earlier this month, House Speaker Dade Phelan (R) raised concerns about how a veto would impact other agencies funded by the article, saying, “I’m just concerned how it impacts them because they weren’t the ones who decided that we were going to break quorum, it wasn’t their decision, right?"

Texas lawmakers could restore Article 10 of the budget if they hold at a potential special session before Sept. 1, the start of the budget’s fiscal year.

[Kowani]

i wouldn't call eisenhower good
definitely better than most of what followed, and genuinely cared for the country
but damn if he didn't fuck it up in the most insidious way possible

It's the interstate, right? I knew something was up.

yeah, it's the interstate

[Tarsonis]

It's the interstate, right? I knew something was up.

yeah, it's the interstate

Gonna be totally honest, other than stomping nazis and the interstate, I know nothing about Ike

[Kowani]

yeah, it's the interstate

Gonna be totally honest, other than stomping nazis and the interstate, I know nothing about Ike

okay, so
stomping Nazis: very good
overseeing desgregation: very good
establishing NASA: very good
expanding social security: very good
helping shut down McCarthyism: very good
education reform: good
SCOTUS appointments: good

interstates: bad (one of the worst decisions by a president that wasn't an example of mass violence, imo)
coups in Iran and Guatemala: bad
korean war: i personally think this is bad, but my understanding is that americans at large tend to disagree with me
operation wetback: very bad
suburbanization: pretty bad
vietnam war: in his defense, nixon sabotaged the peace talks, but the war project wasn't exactly great
and of course, helping the french in their colonial war in vietnam is entirely on him

so while he's definitely got a lot of good things under his belt, he's got a lot of bad things as well

[Washington Resistance Army]

korean war: i personally think this is bad, but my understanding is that americans at large tend to disagree with me

Wtf Kowani is based and Juchepilled

[Major-Tom]

Gonna be totally honest, other than stomping nazis and the interstate, I know nothing about Ike

okay, so
stomping Nazis: very good
overseeing desgregation: very good
establishing NASA: very good
expanding social security: very good
helping shut down McCarthyism: very good
education reform: good
SCOTUS appointments: good

interstates: bad (one of the worst decisions by a president that wasn't an example of mass violence, imo)
coups in Iran and Guatemala: bad
korean war: i personally think this is bad, but my understanding is that americans at large tend to disagree with me
operation wetback: very bad
suburbanization: pretty bad
vietnam war: in his defense, nixon sabotaged the peace talks, but the war project wasn't exactly great
and of course, helping the french in their colonial war in vietnam is entirely on him

so while he's definitely got a lot of good things under his belt, he's got a lot of bad things as well

I think there were some downsides that revealed themselves in the future in regards to interstates. That said, the way I see it, it was a boon to population growth, economic growth, and societal interconnectedness. The problems came when they ripped through urban areas in the way they did, often marginalizing already marginalized communities.

But that alone doesn't mean it was the worst decision by a president that isn't mass violence, that is a super loaded and absurd take.

[Thermodolia]

No, even before that, with Christian Reconstructionism influencing the GOP even earlier than that.

So that brings us back to like who, Ike? as the last good Republican president?

Nixon was pretty good. If it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have had the EPA and OSHA

[Major-Tom]

So that brings us back to like who, Ike? as the last good Republican president?

Nixon was pretty good. If it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have had the EPA and OSHA

Terrible person, average President. His foreign policy was fairly insidious, but there are differing accounts on whether or not he directly oversaw some of the horrors, or if Kissinger merely took it upon himself to terrorize SE Asia.

Then again, being a terrible person is often a prereq for becoming President, barring some exceptions.

[Thermodolia]

He doesn’t have to. The constitution does not require that a speaker be a member of the House of Representatives

How does this work lmao?

The republicans win the house and then elect Trump. Simple as

[Thermodolia]

Also, Biden's dog, Champ, just died

Damn that sucks

[Heloin]

So that brings us back to like who, Ike? as the last good Republican president?

Nixon was pretty good. If it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have had the EPA and OSHA

Nixon's name deserves to be dragged in the mud until we eventually reach the day when even what a United States was is forgotten, but I will give him that Nixon did give the EPA the teeth it needed to actually create the change.

[San Lumen]

How does this work lmao?

The republicans win the house and then elect Trump. Simple as

If Trump does declare he's running for Speaker thats a great way to motivate Democrats to vote.

[Thermodolia]

Cool how Juneteenth is now an official holiday..

It screws everything up if there are 11 federal holidays as opposed to 10. Now a 12th will be needed eventually for the calendar to have evenly distributed breaks. This date was only primarily celebrated among Black Americans prior to this. But on the other hand, there is perhaps a strong enough case for it becoming federal if almost no states still don't recognize it.

I’m down with 12. Let’s make December 2nd, John Brown Day

[The Reformed American Republic]

NYC looting charges dropped: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/c ... s/3114714/

[Godular]

It screws everything up if there are 11 federal holidays as opposed to 10. Now a 12th will be needed eventually for the calendar to have evenly distributed breaks. This date was only primarily celebrated among Black Americans prior to this. But on the other hand, there is perhaps a strong enough case for it becoming federal if almost no states still don't recognize it.

I’m down with 12. Let’s make December 2nd, John Brown Day

November 1st can be Halloween 2: Electric BOOgaloo

[Genivaria]

It screws everything up if there are 11 federal holidays as opposed to 10. Now a 12th will be needed eventually for the calendar to have evenly distributed breaks. This date was only primarily celebrated among Black Americans prior to this. But on the other hand, there is perhaps a strong enough case for it becoming federal if almost no states still don't recognize it.

I’m down with 12. Let’s make December 2nd, John Brown Day

I am completely up for this, lets keep this energy going.

[Kowani]

So that brings us back to like who, Ike? as the last good Republican president?

Nixon was pretty good. If it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have had the EPA and OSHA[/quote]
Nixon's name deserves to be dragged in the mud until we eventually reach the day when even what a United States was is forgotten, but I will give him that Nixon did give the EPA the teeth it needed to actually create the change.[/quote]

okay, so
stomping Nazis: very good
overseeing desgregation: very good
establishing NASA: very good
expanding social security: very good
helping shut down McCarthyism: very good
education reform: good
SCOTUS appointments: good

interstates: bad (one of the worst decisions by a president that wasn't an example of mass violence, imo)
coups in Iran and Guatemala: bad
korean war: i personally think this is bad, but my understanding is that americans at large tend to disagree with me
operation wetback: very bad
suburbanization: pretty bad
vietnam war: in his defense, nixon sabotaged the peace talks, but the war project wasn't exactly great
and of course, helping the french in their colonial war in vietnam is entirely on him

so while he's definitely got a lot of good things under his belt, he's got a lot of bad things as well

I think there were some downsides that revealed themselves in the future in regards to interstates. That said, the way I see it, it was a boon to population growth, economic growth, and societal interconnectedness. The problems came when they ripped through urban areas in the way they did, often marginalizing already marginalized communities.

But that alone doesn't mean it was the worst decision by a president that isn't mass violence, that is a super loaded and absurd take.

oh, we can't blame ike for the carbon emissions effects of highways-he had no way of knowing that at the time
but highways-and the simultaneous project of suburbanization and white flight that they were not merely instrumental but rather, central to?
yeah no that's been a disaster
the mass poverty and unsustainability of modern cities is quite simply impossible without the highways
it goes much farther than the direct bulldozing of black and immigrant neighborhoods to build them, though that is the most egregious
it's the creation of a permanent racialized underclass by extralegal means-and the instiutionalization thereof-a thing that could not and cannot happen without those very same highways creating and enabling wealth vacuums that is, in my opinion, the massive gaping hole in anyone's understanding of the eisenhower admin
unless we grapple with this-and how nimbyism as a coherent political force arises from this failure, then we are merely being smokescreened

[Greater Miami Shores]

How does this work lmao?

The republicans win the house and then elect Trump. Simple as

I hope your right Therm, and we hope your right.

[Heloin]

It screws everything up if there are 11 federal holidays as opposed to 10. Now a 12th will be needed eventually for the calendar to have evenly distributed breaks. This date was only primarily celebrated among Black Americans prior to this. But on the other hand, there is perhaps a strong enough case for it becoming federal if almost no states still don't recognize it.

I’m down with 12. Let’s make December 2nd, John Brown Day

Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah
His soul goes marching on!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I don't know, but definitely someone pre-Reagan. Man, sometimes I wish America was like it was in earlier times.

Eisenhower? I mean more like last not horrible Republican but still.

Me and my dad once had this discussion. He said he thinks the last good president in general was Ike and everyone since then either did a bad job and/or was a bastard. Usually they did a bad job and were a bastard. Nobody only was a bastard.

[Kowani]

The republicans win the house and then elect Trump. Simple as

If Trump does declare he's running for Speaker thats a great way to motivate Democrats to vote.

or...he could just wait until after they win the house and then declare his candidacy for speakership
for obvious reasons, the speaker is elected after the rest of the house is seated