American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And we're still waiting on that despite literal decades...
At some fucking point it's time to realise that Steiner's attack will not solve the shit hitting your fan SL.

Change doesn't happen overnight.

At some fucking point SL it's time to realise that Steiner's attack will not solve the shit hitting your fan.

[Picairn]

some thought we'd never get a majority for the Civil Rights Act or Voting Rights Act yet after the 1964 election we did.

Only after extensive protests and demonstrations like the Birmingham campaign and MLK's March on Washington.

[Kilobugya]

Change doesn't happen overnight.

Sure, but it doesn't happen at all, at least in significant way, if you just vote and wait. Politics is a balance of power, you need to organize and do direct (non-violent) action in addition to voting, if you change to actually happen.

[Dresderstan]

And we're still waiting on that despite literal decades...
At some fucking point it's time to realise that Steiner's attack will not solve the shit hitting your fan SL.

Change doesn't happen overnight.

It takes one fucking action to set the wheels of change, and that action can only be through outright revolution.

[San Lumen]

some thought we'd never get a majority for the Civil Rights Act or Voting Rights Act yet after the 1964 election we did.

Only after extensive protests and demonstrations like the Birmingham campaign and MLK's March on Washington.

It took all of those things including voting. Just protests would have done nothing.

Change doesn't happen overnight.

It takes one fucking action to set the wheels of change, and that action can only be through outright revolution.

What do you want the outcome to be? overthrow the free and fairly elected government of your state or country and install a new government no one choose? or something else?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It takes one fucking action to set the wheels of change, and that action can only be through outright revolution.

What do you want the outcome to be? overthrow the free and fairly elected government of your state or country and install a new government no one choose? or something else?

All the states already do that lmfao.

[Dresderstan]

Only after extensive protests and demonstrations like the Birmingham campaign and MLK's March on Washington.

It took all of those things including voting. Just protests would have done nothing.

It takes one fucking action to set the wheels of change, and that action can only be through outright revolution.

What do you want the outcome to be? overthrow the free and fairly elected government of your state or country and install a new government no one choose? or something else?

There's nothing "free and fair" about a rigged two party system.

[Picairn]

It took all of those things including voting. Just protests would have done nothing.

Just voting and hoping for change won't cut it either, Lumen. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[San Lumen]

What do you want the outcome to be? overthrow the free and fairly elected government of your state or country and install a new government no one choose? or something else?

All the states already do that lmfao.

already do what?

It took all of those things including voting. Just protests would have done nothing.



What do you want the outcome to be? overthrow the free and fairly elected government of your state or country and install a new government no one choose? or something else?

There's nothing "free and fair" about a rigged two party system.

What's rigged about it? There are third parties your free to vote for and they could win if enough people voted for them.

[Dresderstan]

All the states already do that lmfao.

already do what?

There's nothing "free and fair" about a rigged two party system.

What's rigged about it? There are third parties your free to vote for and they could win if enough people voted for them.

Which don't get votes or even appear on the ballots because the two parties try everything in their power to prevent them from "splitting the vote" and the media acting like you have to vote for "the lesser of two evils" bullshit.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

All the states already do that lmfao.

already do what?

I mean states like the Dakotas and Oklahoma are basically one-party states mate.

[San Lumen]

already do what?



What's rigged about it? There are third parties your free to vote for and they could win if enough people voted for them.

Which don't get votes or even appear on the ballots because the two parties try everything in their power to prevent them from "splitting the vote" and the media acting like you have to vote for "the lesser of two evils" bullshit.

People are still free to vote for them.

already do what?

I mean states like the Dakotas and Oklahoma are basically one-party states mate.

People voted for them in free and fair elections. Obviously that's what they want.

[Kilobugya]

What's rigged about it? There are third parties your free to vote for and they could win if enough people voted for them.

First-past-the-post makes third parties non viable. For a real multiparty system you need proportional representation or an alternative voting system (RCV or similar).

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I mean states like the Dakotas and Oklahoma are basically one-party states mate.

People voted for them in free and fair elections. Obviously that's what they want.

lmfao

[San Lumen]

What's rigged about it? There are third parties your free to vote for and they could win if enough people voted for them.

First-past-the-post makes third parties non viable. For a real multiparty system you need proportional representation or an alternative voting system (RCV or similar).

I have no issue with RCV. NYC is using it for the first time this year in primaries. General elections will still be first past the post.

[Dresderstan]

Which don't get votes or even appear on the ballots because the two parties try everything in their power to prevent them from "splitting the vote" and the media acting like you have to vote for "the lesser of two evils" bullshit.

People are still free to vote for them.

I mean states like the Dakotas and Oklahoma are basically one-party states mate.

People voted for them in free and fair elections. Obviously that's what they want.

If they're even on the ballot, and don't succumb to the "free press" that one side is evil and the other isn't.

"free and fair" is not what they are.

[San Lumen]

People are still free to vote for them.



People voted for them in free and fair elections. Obviously that's what they want.

If they're even on the ballot, and don't succumb to the "free press" that one side is evil and the other isn't.

"free and fair" is not what they are.

Republicans dont' believe in free and fair elections or democracy.

How are our elections not free and fair. You still haven;t answered what you want to happen in your revolution.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

i haven't even mentioned everybody's favourite: Wyoming. GOP Party State since 1939. It's like if SED pretended a little more to host "free elections".

[Dresderstan]

If they're even on the ballot, and don't succumb to the "free press" that one side is evil and the other isn't.

"free and fair" is not what they are.

Republicans dont' believe in free and fair elections or democracy.

How are our elections not free and fair. You still haven;t answered what you want to happen in your revolution.

Neither do you apparently. Proportional representation is the only free and fair electoral system.

[San Lumen]

i haven't even mentioned everybody's favourite: Wyoming. GOP Party State since 1939.

People voted for that in a free and fair election. Democrats have won the governorship several times.

Republicans dont' believe in free and fair elections or democracy.

How are our elections not free and fair. You still haven;t answered what you want to happen in your revolution.

Neither do you apparently. Proportional representation is the only free and fair electoral system.

How do i not? Why is your system the only way? '

What's wrong with RCV? No vote is wasted in that system.

[Tarsonis]

Republicans dont' believe in free and fair elections or democracy.

How are our elections not free and fair. You still haven;t answered what you want to happen in your revolution.

Neither do you apparently. Proportional representation is the only free and fair electoral system.

I'll take bad faith argumentation for 600 alex

[Dresderstan]

i haven't even mentioned everybody's favourite: Wyoming. GOP Party State since 1939.

People voted for that in a free and fair election. Democrats have won the governorship several times.

Neither do you apparently. Proportional representation is the only free and fair electoral system.

How do i not? Why is your system the only way? '

What's wrong with RCV? No vote is wasted in that system.

Not free or fair.

Because PR actually makes your vote matter and care, why should Party A receive 39% of the vote yet receive over 50% of seats?

[San Lumen]

People voted for that in a free and fair election. Democrats have won the governorship several times.



How do i not? Why is your system the only way? '

What's wrong with RCV? No vote is wasted in that system.

Not free or fair.

Because PR actually makes your vote matter and care, why should Party A receive 39% of the vote yet receive over 50% of seats?

How does RCV not do that? No one can win with a plurality in that system.

[Kilobugya]

Not free or fair.

Because PR actually makes your vote matter and care, why should Party A receive 39% of the vote yet receive over 50% of seats?

How does RCV not do that? No one can win with a plurality in that system.

Well, "Party A receive 39% of the vote" doesn't mean much in RCV. A party that no one really likes but no one really dislikes can get an absolute majority of seats with a minority of votes putting it in first position. Wherever that's a positive or negative outcome is very much open to debate.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-envir ... ctions-for

The Biden administration has indicated that it will “repeal or replace” a Trump administration decision to expand logging in the nation’s largest old-growth forest.

The government’s regulatory agenda indicates that the move follows an Agriculture Department review of a rule from last year that removed protections for the Tongass National Forest in Alaska.

The Trump rule in question created an exemption from a Clinton-era prohibition on road construction and timber harvesting on many Forest Service lands that is known as the "roadless rule."