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Postby Sincluda » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:44 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Kowani wrote:as it turns out, the person endorsing the beliefs that black people are less trustworthy, less intelligent, less hard-working, or more violent...yeah that's called racism
especially since the effects of holding those beliefs were confirmed as having an empirical effect on your chance of discriminating in an interpersonal interaction within this very study, this is an extremely dumb point

this is the same stupid shit conservatives continue to use against RR as a valid measurement of prejudice
this argument has been made for years now, despite the fact that all the evidence points to the idea that it's bullshit
for the clearest explanation, examine this with an issue that isn't racialized (at least not in a negative way), and where traditional conservative ideology gives no reason to oppose it: the paying of college athletes.

Two features of the “pay for play” issue make it an attractive case for disentangling the complicated relationship between the racial prejudice and the ideological conservatism components of racial resentment. First, due to the fact that financial compensation for college athletes is dictated by a private, nongovernmental entity—the NCAA—attitudes toward the federal government should not be activated in the minds of survey respondents. Second, because increased financial compensation from the NCAA benefits college athletes—a group that is seen to be hard working, dedicated, and highly skilled (Branch 2011; Nocera and Strauss 2016)-attitudes toward government redistributive policies should also not be activated. In short, although NCAA compensation policies are similar to welfare, health care, and criminal justice in
their implicitly racialized character, they are unlikely to activate the same confounds associated with the conservative component of racial resentment

The conservative objections that it's just a measure of ideology don't stand up to scrutiny.
The results from our March 2016 MTurk experiment are presented in Table 3 and in Figure 2. As Figure 2
shows, the interaction between racial resentment and exposure to racial cues had a substantively large impact on white’s NCAA policy opinions. The least racially resentful whites in our “mixed faces” condition, for example, were generally supportive of paying college athletes—with a predicted score on the NCAA salary question of .38. By contrast, the most racially resentful opposed to changing the NCAA’s current compensation policies—with a predicted score greater than .85. Increases in racial resentment mattered much less, however, for white respondents in our “all white faces” condition. Specifically, the most racially resentful whites exposed to pictures of only white athletes were predicted to be, on average, only .20 more opposed to paying college athletes than the least racially resentful whites exposed to these images. As Figure 2 also demonstrates, the differences between similarly resentful whites in our two experimental conditions were statistically significant at high levels of racial resentment (i.e., those scoring higher than .6 on our 0 to 1 index of racial resentment)
but not at low levels of racial resentment (i.e., racial resentment index scores less than .6). In other words, our March 2016 MTurk experiment shows strong support for the expectations articulated in H3. (H3: Increases in racial resentment will lead whites to express greater opposition to paying college athletes only when they are primed to think about African Americans.)

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The pattern even held with names:
The findings from our April 2016 MTurk experiment closely mirrored the findings from our March 2016 MTurk experiment. Once again, there were substantively large differences between the white respondents primed to think about race based on their level of racial resentment. As Table 4 and Figure 3 show, the most racially resentful whites in our “black names” condition were predicted to be, on average, .47 less supportive of paying college athletes than the least racially resentful whites in the “black names” condition. As Figure 3 also shows, there were significant differences between similarly racially resentful whites based on the treatment condition they were assigned to. Specifically, racially resentful whites (i.e., those scoring higher than .6 on our 0 to 1 index) in the “black names” condition of our April 2016 experiment were .22 less supportive of paying college athletes than similarly resentful whites in the “all white names” condition. At low levels of racial resentment, no such treatment effect emerged. To put all of this differently, we found further support for H3 in the April 2016 MTurk experiment, and there appears to be little difference between priming race by using pictures and priming race by using names.

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You mean the 'evidence' that is leftists continual destruction of our academia in their quest to hamfist their beliefs into scientific canon? Yeah, I wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

“Nobody takes [Kowani] seriously” LMFAOOOOOO

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:58 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kowani wrote:Conservatives sue to prevent Denver from hosting the All-Star game after it was moved out of Georgia in response to their voter suppression law

A conservative business group is suing Major League Baseball over its decision to move the 2021 All-Star Game to Denver, alleging the league conspired with the players’ union to intimidate the state government of Georgia over a new voting law and to harm Georgia businesses.

The Job Creators Network filed a lawsuit in a New York federal court Monday, asking for Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association to pay $100 million to make up for lost business revenues in Georgia. It also seeks $1 billion in punitive damages for their “unprecedented cruelty and hostility” toward Georgia.


“MLB robbed the small businesses of Atlanta — many of them minority-owned — of $100 million,” Job Creators Network CEO Alfredo Ortiz said in a news release. “We want the game back where it belongs.” The organization supports small businesses, including in Colorado and Georgia, and was started in part by the retired cofounder of Home Depot, which is based in Atlanta.

so
the hearing for this was today
this is Rudy Giuliani Trump election lawsuit bad

greatest quote so far
Judge: "You're arguing that baseball has essentially stepped into the shoes of the Department of Justice and is now imposing a preclearance requirement on the Georgia legislature?"

Kleinhendlern (lawyer for the job creators network): Yes.

Judge: "Well, I certainly didn't understand that to be your argument."


(they lost, by the way)


And in other ex-Kraken legal eagle news,Lin Wood loses his Federal suit attempting to quash a mental health assessment as part of the Georgia state bar's investigation into his conduct.
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"The violence of American law enforcement degrades the lives of countless people, especially poor Black people, through its peculiar appetite for their death." | "There are but two parties now: traitors and patriots. And I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter and, I trust, the stronger party." -- Ulysses S. Grant, 1861 | "You don't get mulligans in insurrection." | "Today's Republican Party is America's and the world's largest white supremacist organization." | "I didn't vote to overturn an election, and I will not be lectured by people who did about partisanship." -- Rep. Gerry Connolly |"Republicans...have transformed...to a fascist party engaged in a takeover of the United States of America."

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:06 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Kowani wrote:as it turns out, the person endorsing the beliefs that black people are less trustworthy, less intelligent, less hard-working, or more violent...yeah that's called racism
especially since the effects of holding those beliefs were confirmed as having an empirical effect on your chance of discriminating in an interpersonal interaction within this very study, this is an extremely dumb point

this is the same stupid shit conservatives continue to use against RR as a valid measurement of prejudice
this argument has been made for years now, despite the fact that all the evidence points to the idea that it's bullshit
for the clearest explanation, examine this with an issue that isn't racialized (at least not in a negative way), and where traditional conservative ideology gives no reason to oppose it: the paying of college athletes.

Two features of the “pay for play” issue make it an attractive case for disentangling the complicated relationship between the racial prejudice and the ideological conservatism components of racial resentment. First, due to the fact that financial compensation for college athletes is dictated by a private, nongovernmental entity—the NCAA—attitudes toward the federal government should not be activated in the minds of survey respondents. Second, because increased financial compensation from the NCAA benefits college athletes—a group that is seen to be hard working, dedicated, and highly skilled (Branch 2011; Nocera and Strauss 2016)-attitudes toward government redistributive policies should also not be activated. In short, although NCAA compensation policies are similar to welfare, health care, and criminal justice in
their implicitly racialized character, they are unlikely to activate the same confounds associated with the conservative component of racial resentment

The conservative objections that it's just a measure of ideology don't stand up to scrutiny.
The results from our March 2016 MTurk experiment are presented in Table 3 and in Figure 2. As Figure 2
shows, the interaction between racial resentment and exposure to racial cues had a substantively large impact on white’s NCAA policy opinions. The least racially resentful whites in our “mixed faces” condition, for example, were generally supportive of paying college athletes—with a predicted score on the NCAA salary question of .38. By contrast, the most racially resentful opposed to changing the NCAA’s current compensation policies—with a predicted score greater than .85. Increases in racial resentment mattered much less, however, for white respondents in our “all white faces” condition. Specifically, the most racially resentful whites exposed to pictures of only white athletes were predicted to be, on average, only .20 more opposed to paying college athletes than the least racially resentful whites exposed to these images. As Figure 2 also demonstrates, the differences between similarly resentful whites in our two experimental conditions were statistically significant at high levels of racial resentment (i.e., those scoring higher than .6 on our 0 to 1 index of racial resentment)
but not at low levels of racial resentment (i.e., racial resentment index scores less than .6). In other words, our March 2016 MTurk experiment shows strong support for the expectations articulated in H3. (H3: Increases in racial resentment will lead whites to express greater opposition to paying college athletes only when they are primed to think about African Americans.)

Image

The pattern even held with names:
The findings from our April 2016 MTurk experiment closely mirrored the findings from our March 2016 MTurk experiment. Once again, there were substantively large differences between the white respondents primed to think about race based on their level of racial resentment. As Table 4 and Figure 3 show, the most racially resentful whites in our “black names” condition were predicted to be, on average, .47 less supportive of paying college athletes than the least racially resentful whites in the “black names” condition. As Figure 3 also shows, there were significant differences between similarly racially resentful whites based on the treatment condition they were assigned to. Specifically, racially resentful whites (i.e., those scoring higher than .6 on our 0 to 1 index) in the “black names” condition of our April 2016 experiment were .22 less supportive of paying college athletes than similarly resentful whites in the “all white names” condition. At low levels of racial resentment, no such treatment effect emerged. To put all of this differently, we found further support for H3 in the April 2016 MTurk experiment, and there appears to be little difference between priming race by using pictures and priming race by using names.

Image


You mean the 'evidence' that is leftists continual destruction of our academia in their quest to hamfist their beliefs into scientific canon? Yeah, I wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

I...feel like Kowani gets taken seriously by quite a few people.
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Postby Picairn » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:09 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:You mean the 'evidence' that is leftists continual destruction of our academia in their quest to hamfist their beliefs into scientific canon? Yeah, I wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

Pot calling the kettle gold-plated dish black.

Yes, I consider Kowani's studies to be far more valuable than your debating style of "no u".
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Postauthoritarian America wrote:NYT: Trump Justice Dept. subpoenaed communications records for Rep. Adam Schiff, others, aides and family members including minor children in vain attempt for "source" of info on campaign contacts with Russian agents.

I'm guessing that he was doing this while complaining that Obama was surveilling him.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:17 pm

The Bipartisan group has reached an infrastructure deal which will fail immediately

A bipartisan group of 10 senators said Thursday they had reached a tentative infrastructure deal, but skepticism from Republicans and impatience from Democrats left its prospects uncertain as lawmakers departed for the weekend. "We are discussing our approach with our respective colleagues, and the White House, and remain optimistic that this can lay the groundwork to garner broad support from both parties and meet America’s infrastructure needs," said a joint statement from the group, which includes Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah; Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz.; Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio; and Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont. The deal includes $579 billion in new spending for a total of $1.2 trillion in infrastructure funding over eight years, according to two sources familiar with the talks, who requested anonymity to share details.

The senators said in their statement that it would "be fully paid for and not include tax increases." They accelerated their work after talks between President Joe Biden and Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., broke down this week.

The other members of the group are Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine; Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va.; Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La.; Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.; Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska; and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va.

But other senators sounded skeptical.

Sen. Roy Blunt, of Missouri, a member of Republican leadership, said an agreement between the 10 senators would be "a pretty low-entry step to a deal" that can get 60 votes to pass the chamber.

Any deal would likely need the support of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to attract the 10 Republicans needed to defeat a filibuster. The failure of Capito's talks, which included numerous McConnell deputies, was a warning sign for bipartisan prospects.

Republicans are trying to weigh the politics of the talks and whether they might be seen as resisting too much or not enough.

"I remain open-minded. It's the best bet we have right now for something that's not just jamming something down our throats," said Sen. Kevin Cramer, R-N.D.

But Cramer also voiced skepticism, saying the Capito effort was "the best chance" to get broad Republican agreement on an infrastructure package.

Democrats are not on the same page about what should happen next, with some insisting they won't support a deal that excludes priorities like clean energy investments to combat climate change. "There’s no guarantee that there's 50 Democratic votes for whatever this group works out," said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn.

"From my perspective: No climate. No bill. No deal," said Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass.

Some Democrats are trying to pressure their leadership to abandon bipartisan talks and instead push through a partisan bill, but there's no guarantee there are 50 Democratic votes for that tactic either.

In a statement on Thursday, deputy White House spokesperson Andrew Bates said White House staff was briefed earlier in the day by Democratic senators working on infrastructure.

"The President appreciates the Senators’ work to advance critical investments we need to create good jobs, prepare for our clean energy future, and compete in the global economy," he said. "Questions need to be addressed, particularly around the details of both policy and pay fors, among other matters."

Bates said senior White House staff and other aides will work with the Senate group in the days ahead "to get answers to those questions."

As he was leaving the Capitol on Thursday, Manchin declined to say how he would vote if Democrats began to move a package without Republicans.

"Haven't even thought about it," Manchin told NBC News.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said Thursday that party leaders were "not counting" votes, meaning there has not yet been a pressure campaign to get them in unison.

Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., who faces re-election next year, said he favors a bipartisan deal as "the first option," without taking a simple-majority approach off the table.

Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., said he's "very comfortable" with using the filibuster-proof process to pass an infrastructure package and that it would not preclude winning some GOP support along the way.

"I like the bipartisan discussions. If we can do a bipartisan bill, that's great. Even if we can't do a bipartisan bill, the fact that there's been discussions — we'll incorporate the wisdom from those discussions into a reconciliation bill, and it will be a better bill as a result of it," Kaine said.

"Even if we go via reconciliation, I think it's going to be wildly popular with Republican governors, wildly popular with Republican mayors," he said. "Hope we'll get some Republican votes."

Senate Budget Committee Chair Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said he wants to begin the process without Republicans and pass a bill "as quickly as we can."
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:20 pm

Picairn wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:You mean the 'evidence' that is leftists continual destruction of our academia in their quest to hamfist their beliefs into scientific canon? Yeah, I wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

Pot calling the kettle gold-plated dish black.

Yes, I consider Kowani's studies to be far more valuable than your debating style of "no u".

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Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Oh, absolutely. Legally, the state would serve as a silent partner, they wouldn't actually do anything and they'd grant the full deed upon the last mortgage payment, I think.
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Shrillland wrote:
Galloism wrote:That’s actually probably not a terrible idea, provided you get the liability issues hammered out.


Oh, absolutely. Legally, the state would serve as a silent partner, they wouldn't actually do anything and they'd grant the full deed upon the last mortgage payment, I think.

Well if they grant full deed after last mortgage payment, it really is a heck of a deal.

But the article doesn’t say that.
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Shrillland wrote:
Oh, absolutely. Legally, the state would serve as a silent partner, they wouldn't actually do anything and they'd grant the full deed upon the last mortgage payment, I think.

Well if they grant full deed after last mortgage payment, it really is a heck of a deal.

But the article doesn’t say that.


Well, we'll see. It'll be years before we find out either way.
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Yeerosland wrote:
Galloism wrote:Well if they grant full deed after last mortgage payment, it really is a heck of a deal.

But the article doesn’t say that.


Considering the total amount spent on a mortgage is about twice the price of a house, yeah heck of a deal. Half a million, or even a million?

Yeah, but I don’t think that’s how it’s intended to work. If it were, it would need continuous infusions of cash, rather than one time (which they specified one time).

My hunch is they keep their ownership percentage until the property is sold, then take that portion of the proceeds (which everyone hopes is a profit, and can sustain the fund into the future).
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Yeerosland wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yeah, but I don’t think that’s how it’s intended to work. If it were, it would need continuous infusions of cash, rather than one time (which they specified one time).

My hunch is they keep their ownership percentage until the property is sold, then take that portion of the proceeds (which everyone hopes is a profit, and can sustain the fund into the future).


On the one hand, a smaller effective mortgage will help individuals get into that market. 8)
On the other hand, government putting money into the market is bound to drive inflation. :o

To an extent, but notice it’s only to first time homebuyers. So it appears to be intended to overcome that initial down payment problem when the first time homebuyer has no equity from a prior home to roll into a new home.

If they were doing it for everyone it would be different, but limiting to first time homebuyers should reduce volume and lower market impact.
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Doesn't everyone feel a lot calmer these days?

Maybe under duress, for some. But not to worry.
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Texas House Republicans pretend they don’t know how the "overturning elections" section made its way into the state's voter suppression bill, say they don't plan to revive it in a special session

In a sweeping overhaul of Texas elections law that Republicans rushed toward approval in the waning hours of the legislative session, one provision stood out to critics as particularly alarming.

The hastily-added clause would have made it easy for a judge to overturn an election, even if there were only thin evidence of fraud. With former President Donald Trump’s historic efforts to nullify his November loss still fresh in their minds, Democrats singled out the measure as irresponsible.

“Just think about that — your election, YOUR election could be overturned without the other side being required to prove actual voter fraud,” said state Rep. Julie Johnson (D), in an impassioned speech on the floor of the Texas House. “The implications of this are unthinkable. To make matters worse, the provision was not in either the Senate or the House version of the bill.”

The bill never passed, dying at midnight on May 31 after the Democrats blocked a vote on it by walking out. Yet policy debates have given way to an even more basic question: Who added the “Overturning Elections” section to it?

One of the members of the conference committee that crafted the final version of the bill, state Rep. Travis Clardy (R), says he doesn’t know. Other top Republicans who worked on the final draft of the legislation say they don’t know either.

What’s more, Clardy now denounces the measures related to overturning elections and says Republicans don’t plan to revive them in a future bill.

“There was zero appetite or intent or willingness to create some low bar where a single judge can overturn the results of an election,” Clardy said in an interview with Hearst Newspapers. “That would be horrendous policy, and it would never be healthy for the democracy.”

Democratic members say there is no way those provisions were inserted by mistake. They say they raised concerns about them with Republicans when there was time to spare for the bill to be revised.

The sections would have lowered the standard of proof to overturn an election from “clear and convincing” evidence to a “preponderance of the evidence.” And they gave judges the ability to void elections even if it couldn’t be demonstrated that fraudulent ballots made a difference in the outcome.

If the bill had passed, Texas would have been one of few states to have lowered the bar so much, opening the door to a flood of potential election challenges, election law experts said.

“If we deliberately design a system that says all you have to do is come up with a simple preponderance — that is, just barely more evidence than the other side — and we’re going to throw out the elections, when we have a whole gamut of election procedures in place that we justifiably expect to produce reliable results in the normal course, we’re really undermining that,” said Steven Huefner, professor of law at the Ohio State University.

The final version of Senate Bill 7 varied greatly from its previous iterations. Such changes are not uncommon at the Texas Capitol, where the Legislature meets once every two years for 140 days of policy-making and political point-scoring. Sometimes the results are sloppy.

When the Texas Legislative Council, the nonpartisan agency whose lawyers and researchers advise the lawmakers drafting legislation, returned the bill, Clardy said he was caught by surprise by some of the new provisions, which he said were not among revisions submitted by the bill’s authors.

In addition to the last-minute provision on overturning elections, another late addition said early voting on Sundays could not start before 1 p.m. Democrats decried the provision as an attempt to undermine “souls to the polls” events organized by Black churches. Clardy later told NPR it was a typo.

“I don’t want to put the blame on the Legislative Council lawyers that worked on this,” Clardy said. “We never intended and never asked for or wrote ourselves some section called overturning elections. That was not the desire at all.”

He added: “I don’t know about what input other conferees may have had with Lege Council; I’m just saying that as a lawyer, and understanding the import and difference in standards, I would never agree with preponderance and would have and will insist on clear and convincing.”

A legislative council spokeswoman declined to comment, saying the drafting of bills is “privileged and confidential.”

State Rep. Nicole Collier, one of three Democrats on the conference committee and chair of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus, wasn’t buying Republicans’ claims that the language was added by mistake.

“They had time to review it,” Collier said. “The fact that the conference report was signed on Saturday” — the day before it went to the House floor — “means that they had read it, and they approved it.”

During the final debate on the bill, House Elections Committee Chair Briscoe Cain, R-Deer Park, said some amendments he supported were mysteriously missing from the final version. Cain said this week he knew as much as Clardy about where the “Overturning Elections” section came from, and had nothing further to add.

Sen. Bryan Hughes (R), Senate chair of the conference committee, declined to comment on the matter. But in a statement posted to Twitter on Thursday about SB 7, Hughes said the House ordered the conference committee draft, “so any errors didn’t ‘come over’ from the Senate.”

Elizabeth Álvarez-Bingham, the main lawyer who consulted with House Republicans on the bill, said she would not have ever recommended lowering the burden of proof.

“Election contests exist as a role of the judiciary,” Álvarez-Bingham said. “They’re only supposed to override the election if you can meet the highest possible burden, and that’s the way it should be.”

The language in the bill lowering the standard of proof was in an earlier version the Senate approved in April, though there was little discussion about it at the time. State Rep. Cole Hefner, R-Mount Pleasant, had proposed the change in a separate bill that was withdrawn before it could be heard in committee. He did not respond to a request for comment.

State Sen. Paul Bettencourt (R), who served along with Clardy on the conference committee that signed the final version of the legislation, said he also does not want to see the standard of proof lowered and would prefer judges maintain their discretion.

As for the part allowing judges to void elections, no other bills filed this session included the language, according to a search of Texas’ legislative database.

Álvarez-Bingham noted almost identical language already exists in Texas Election Code. It can be found now within a section laying out a judge’s ability to compel voters to reveal their vote during an election contest.

In current law, it is posed as an alternative when the number of illegal votes cannot be calculated. Without that distinction, critics argued, and especially in combination with the lower standard, the provision could have been interpreted to mean judges could reverse an election without making any attempt to determine whether fraudulent votes were numerous enough to change the outcome.

The public never had a chance to vet the new provisions put together, said Sen. Beverly Powell (D), another one of the Democrats on the conference committee.

“Instead, like much of SB7, the provision was crafted behind closed doors and rushed through in the 11th hour without input from minority voter advocacy groups and others,” Powell said in a statement. “I am hopeful that minority voter advocacy groups, local election officials and the public will have a greater say and input during a special session on monumental voting legislation.”

The special session, Clardy said, will give lawmakers a second chance to clean up the bill and include only the language they believe in strongly.

“The proof will be in the pudding on this,” he said. “When we do refile the bills for election integrity, when we come back for a special, whenever the governor sets that and puts us on the call, these matters are going to be corrected.”
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:02 pm

Glamour wrote:Doesn't everyone feel a lot calmer these days?

Maybe under duress, for some. But not to worry.

I mean, the fires aren't necessarily contained, but at least there isn't someone going down to the fires and tossing napalm on it because someone published a photo he didn't like.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Glamour wrote:Doesn't everyone feel a lot calmer these days?

Maybe under duress, for some. But not to worry.

I mean, the fires aren't necessarily contained, but at least there isn't someone going down to the fires and tossing napalm on it because someone published a photo he didn't like.


For me it's just more, "ah these are the regular fires we're used to."
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Tarsonis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I mean, the fires aren't necessarily contained, but at least there isn't someone going down to the fires and tossing napalm on it because someone published a photo he didn't like.


For me it's just more, "ah these are the regular fires we're used to."

Not the guy whose pants are on fire running straight into the biggest driest bushes he can find.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
For me it's just more, "ah these are the regular fires we're used to."

Not the guy whose pants are on fire running straight into the biggest driest bushes he can find.



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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:06 pm

Glamour wrote:Doesn't everyone feel a lot calmer these days?

Maybe under duress, for some. But not to worry.

...no
the long-term structural threats have gotten worse, imo
they're just not being perpetuated by a buffoon who actively sabotaged the largest public health crisis in decades
there's a lot to worry about
it's just not as visible or eye-catching
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