American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Borderlands of Rojava]

But antifa is the real danger. Antifa Inc and Bigfoot and the other mythical cryptids are gonna overthrow freedom and install communist Sharia law.

Antifa is bad, but the Qanon and the far-right are a bigger threat than a unorganized group of anarchists punks

The worst antifa cell is equivalent to football firms in the UK. They break shit and fight people but they're not some world ending threat and they sure aren't a united front.

[Godular]

I have been posting and reading for at least 48 hours straight.

[San Lumen]

I see no case, just a complaint about how people are calling you out on the stuff you post.

ok but I strongly disagree, I really can't believe you guys that you guys would like it if I or any persons crossed your words that are relevant to you guys, those are the reasons you posted them. Just leave them their clear, and argue, debate and discuss whatever the issue is. I really can't believe you guys, there is no need to quote this post, Please do not quote this post if your answer I strongly disagree with you. Because there is nothing else to discuss. Plus we need to get back to the issues of this thread before I get in trouble and you guys get introuble, I Hear by Drop this Post and I am going to take a Break From Posting, I have been posting and reading for at least 48 hours straight. I am the worlds greatest Insomniac, I can out tweet and our post Republican President Trump From 3 Am, 7 days a week, 367 days a year and I not lolling about it I am very serious about It. Peace over and out.

This is an issue as Republicans are obsessed with fraud that never happened. If there was such massive fraud why wasn’t it presented in court?

The reason is it is a crime to lie under oath. It’s called perjury. Show solid proof of your claims or simply admit Biden won a free and fair election as did Warnock and Ossoff.

[North Washington Republic]

Antifa is bad, but the Qanon and the far-right are a bigger threat than a unorganized group of anarchists punks

The worst antifa cell is equivalent to football firms in the UK. They break shit and fight people but they're not some world ending threat and they sure aren't a united front.

Also, the Democratic Party largely condemns far-left and anarchist violence. Real anarchist and black bloc degenerates HATE the Democratic Party. The GOP embraces their violent far-right fringe and treats them like how a devout Catholic treats a consecrated host.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The worst antifa cell is equivalent to football firms in the UK. They break shit and fight people but they're not some world ending threat and they sure aren't a united front.

Also, the Democratic Party largely condemns far-left and anarchist violence. Real anarchist and black bloc degenerates HATE the Democratic Party. The GOP embraces their violent far-right fringe and treats them like how a devout Catholic treats a consecrated host.

Yeah where did this idea antifa is the Democrats come from?

[North Washington Republic]

Also, the Democratic Party largely condemns far-left and anarchist violence. Real anarchist and black bloc degenerates HATE the Democratic Party. The GOP embraces their violent far-right fringe and treats them like how a devout Catholic treats a consecrated host.

Yeah where did this idea antifa is the Democrats come from?

Projection. The average Trump supporter doesn’t realize how far right they are. They watch media and live in an echo system that doesn’t challenge their point of view and thus they believe they hold mainstream views, and that even moderate Democrats like my Senator(Amy Klobuchar) is “far left”

[Koletsia]

Yeah where did this idea antifa is the Democrats come from?

It's their narrative. Just as many people who align themselves with the Democratic Party call everyone right of them a "fascist", Republicans do the same lumping every ostensibly "left wing" movement together as one entity. It's infantile thinking but it's unfortunately quite widespread and not helped by mass media brainwashing.

[North Washington Republic]

Yeah where did this idea antifa is the Democrats come from?

It's their narrative. Just as many people who align themselves with the Democratic Party call everyone right of them a "fascist", Republicans do the same lumping every ostensibly "left wing" movement together as one entity. It's infantile thinking but it's unfortunately quite widespread and not helped by mass media brainwashing.

See, I disagree that mainstream media is contributing to the radicalization of American politics. It’s social media, and the pandemic supercharged our already polarized country.

[Kowani]

The Sacklers (the family that helped create the opioid crisis) want legal immunity

The billionaires that made their fortune off opioids are asking a federal court to grant sweeping legal immunity to their family and to more than a thousand parties linked to the family and the scandal, including one of their companies peddling opioids across the globe, according to new court records reviewed by the Daily Poster.

If the court blesses the requested releases — and if Congress does not quickly pass pending legislation to halt such immunity — government officials would be prevented from bringing opioid-related lawsuits against not only Sackler family members and their businesses, but also against the Sacklers’ army of lawyers, family trusts, foundations, investors, film companies, and even other pharmaceutical companies that manufacture and sell opioids.

The immunity request was filed by lawyers for Purdue Pharma on Wednesday as part of a larger disclosure in the opioid giant’s ongoing bankruptcy proceedings. Members of the Sackler family are seeking the liability shields in exchange for contributing more than $4 billion to a bankruptcy settlement. Their company, Purdue, represented a 16 percent share of the opioid market according to ProPublica and Stat News — and a federal study released last month found that the public health cost of the opioid epidemic was $1 trillion in 2017 alone.

Opioid crisis response advocacy group Prescription Addiction Intervention Now (P.A.I.N.) called the requested immunity “evidence of [the Sackler] pharmaceutical empire’s sheer power” in a statement provided to the Daily Poster.

“Just as in Purdue’s 2007 federal case, the Sackler family will likely get away without admitting any wrongdoing,” the statement read. “With a legal army at their disposal, they’re using Purdue’s bankruptcy as a shield to turn the tables on hundreds of thousands of personal injury claimants…. The Sackler family deserves to be prosecuted, and their billions belong to the individuals and communities they’ve destroyed.”

Some federal lawmakers have introduced legislation to prevent the Sacklers from obtaining releases from liability suits related to the opioid crisis they helped cause. Pharmaceutical giants including Johnson & Johnson, which supplied the poppies for Purdue’s OxyContin pills, have been lobbying on the bill, which has so far not advanced in the Democratic Congress.

Now, new court documents show just how expansive the Sacklers would like the third-party waivers to be.

A new amended disclosure statement filed by Purdue Pharma in its bankruptcy case reveals that the Sacklers are seeking third-party liability waivers for a number of entities beyond the immediate family. Attached as an appendix, the list is twenty-four pages long and includes all members of the Sackler family; 162 trusts, trustees, and protectors; thirteen Purdue parent entities; and 173 associated companies.

One of those companies is Purdue’s international subsidiary, Mundipharma, which the Sacklers agreed to sell to contribute to the bankruptcy fund.

Mundipharma came under fire for using the same aggressive and misleading tactics Purdue had been forced to abandon in the United States after overdose deaths skyrocketed, prescriptions dropped off, and lawsuits mounted.

In countries like Brazil and China, Mundipharma held seminars to help doctors overcome “opiophobia” and pitched Oxycontin as a less addictive alternative to other opioid painkillers.

According to a 2019 report from the Associated Press, in China, the company’s sales representatives illegally copied patient medical records without consent and visited them in the hospital disguised as doctors. The AP report noted that at the time, keeping control of Mundipharma was a goal of the Sacklers, because it allowed them to continue cashing in on Oxycontin globally.

The bankruptcy case could also lead to liability protection for opioid manufacturers Napp Pharmaceuticals and Qdem Pharmaceuticals, which market generic oxycodone in the UK.

Other companies that would be released from liability include:

• Bracewell LLP, which used to be known as Bracewell & Giuliani. Purdue hired the firm when it was facing a federal investigation in the 2000s. While Purdue pleaded guilty to a felony in 2007, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani helped secure a deal that allowed the company to keep doing business with the federal government and prevented the firm’s executives from going to prison.

• Luther Strange & Associates, a law firm created by Luther Strange, Alabama’s former Republican attorney general and temporary US senator. After he lost his bid for Senate in 2017, Strange started working for members of the Sackler family. In 2019, Strange represented the Sacklers at an event held by the Republican Attorneys General Association, and tried to convince the state attorneys general to accept Purdue’s bankruptcy plan.

• Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, a prestigious law firm that has worked for Richard Sackler, who helped push doctors to prescribe OxyContin, and other members of the Sackler family.

• Investment firms like Paloma Partners, Silver Point Capital, and Alexander Road Capital. Paloma Partners is a Connecticut-based hedge fund founded by Democratic mega-donor Donald Sussman.

full filing here

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The Sacklers (the family that helped create the opioid crisis) want legal immunity

The billionaires that made their fortune off opioids are asking a federal court to grant sweeping legal immunity to their family and to more than a thousand parties linked to the family and the scandal, including one of their companies peddling opioids across the globe, according to new court records reviewed by the Daily Poster.

If the court blesses the requested releases — and if Congress does not quickly pass pending legislation to halt such immunity — government officials would be prevented from bringing opioid-related lawsuits against not only Sackler family members and their businesses, but also against the Sacklers’ army of lawyers, family trusts, foundations, investors, film companies, and even other pharmaceutical companies that manufacture and sell opioids.

The immunity request was filed by lawyers for Purdue Pharma on Wednesday as part of a larger disclosure in the opioid giant’s ongoing bankruptcy proceedings. Members of the Sackler family are seeking the liability shields in exchange for contributing more than $4 billion to a bankruptcy settlement. Their company, Purdue, represented a 16 percent share of the opioid market according to ProPublica and Stat News — and a federal study released last month found that the public health cost of the opioid epidemic was $1 trillion in 2017 alone.

Opioid crisis response advocacy group Prescription Addiction Intervention Now (P.A.I.N.) called the requested immunity “evidence of [the Sackler] pharmaceutical empire’s sheer power” in a statement provided to the Daily Poster.

“Just as in Purdue’s 2007 federal case, the Sackler family will likely get away without admitting any wrongdoing,” the statement read. “With a legal army at their disposal, they’re using Purdue’s bankruptcy as a shield to turn the tables on hundreds of thousands of personal injury claimants…. The Sackler family deserves to be prosecuted, and their billions belong to the individuals and communities they’ve destroyed.”

Some federal lawmakers have introduced legislation to prevent the Sacklers from obtaining releases from liability suits related to the opioid crisis they helped cause. Pharmaceutical giants including Johnson & Johnson, which supplied the poppies for Purdue’s OxyContin pills, have been lobbying on the bill, which has so far not advanced in the Democratic Congress.

Now, new court documents show just how expansive the Sacklers would like the third-party waivers to be.

A new amended disclosure statement filed by Purdue Pharma in its bankruptcy case reveals that the Sacklers are seeking third-party liability waivers for a number of entities beyond the immediate family. Attached as an appendix, the list is twenty-four pages long and includes all members of the Sackler family; 162 trusts, trustees, and protectors; thirteen Purdue parent entities; and 173 associated companies.

One of those companies is Purdue’s international subsidiary, Mundipharma, which the Sacklers agreed to sell to contribute to the bankruptcy fund.

Mundipharma came under fire for using the same aggressive and misleading tactics Purdue had been forced to abandon in the United States after overdose deaths skyrocketed, prescriptions dropped off, and lawsuits mounted.

In countries like Brazil and China, Mundipharma held seminars to help doctors overcome “opiophobia” and pitched Oxycontin as a less addictive alternative to other opioid painkillers.

According to a 2019 report from the Associated Press, in China, the company’s sales representatives illegally copied patient medical records without consent and visited them in the hospital disguised as doctors. The AP report noted that at the time, keeping control of Mundipharma was a goal of the Sacklers, because it allowed them to continue cashing in on Oxycontin globally.

The bankruptcy case could also lead to liability protection for opioid manufacturers Napp Pharmaceuticals and Qdem Pharmaceuticals, which market generic oxycodone in the UK.

Other companies that would be released from liability include:

• Bracewell LLP, which used to be known as Bracewell & Giuliani. Purdue hired the firm when it was facing a federal investigation in the 2000s. While Purdue pleaded guilty to a felony in 2007, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani helped secure a deal that allowed the company to keep doing business with the federal government and prevented the firm’s executives from going to prison.

• Luther Strange & Associates, a law firm created by Luther Strange, Alabama’s former Republican attorney general and temporary US senator. After he lost his bid for Senate in 2017, Strange started working for members of the Sackler family. In 2019, Strange represented the Sacklers at an event held by the Republican Attorneys General Association, and tried to convince the state attorneys general to accept Purdue’s bankruptcy plan.

• Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, a prestigious law firm that has worked for Richard Sackler, who helped push doctors to prescribe OxyContin, and other members of the Sackler family.

• Investment firms like Paloma Partners, Silver Point Capital, and Alexander Road Capital. Paloma Partners is a Connecticut-based hedge fund founded by Democratic mega-donor Donald Sussman.

full filing here

No quarter for mass murderers.

[Koletsia]

It's their narrative. Just as many people who align themselves with the Democratic Party call everyone right of them a "fascist", Republicans do the same lumping every ostensibly "left wing" movement together as one entity. It's infantile thinking but it's unfortunately quite widespread and not helped by mass media brainwashing.

See, I disagree that mainstream media is contributing to the radicalization of American politics. It’s social media, and the pandemic supercharged our already polarized country.

Social media is not monolithic but merely act as public spaces where individuals share ideas. I very much disagree that it has significantly changed the way anyone actually feels about things or what they believe but has merely allowed people of similar thoughts to coordinate and act in a much more efficient way. It only appears as if certain ideas have grown in popularity due to this.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Yeah where did this idea antifa is the Democrats come from?

It's their narrative. Just as many people who align themselves with the Democratic Party call everyone right of them a "fascist", Republicans do the same lumping every ostensibly "left wing" movement together as one entity. It's infantile thinking but it's unfortunately quite widespread and not helped by mass media brainwashing.

Break up big media and big tech.

[Neutraligon]

See, I disagree that mainstream media is contributing to the radicalization of American politics. It’s social media, and the pandemic supercharged our already polarized country.

Social media is not monolithic but merely act as public spaces where individuals share ideas. I very much disagree that it has significantly changed the way anyone actually feels about things or what they believe but has merely allowed people of similar thoughts to coordinate and act in a much more efficient way. It only appears as if certain ideas have grown in popularity due to this.

They are indeed public spaces, but what they have done is given people who have not had much of an audience before a much bigger audience.

[Albrenia]

See, I disagree that mainstream media is contributing to the radicalization of American politics. It’s social media, and the pandemic supercharged our already polarized country.

Social media is not monolithic but merely act as public spaces where individuals share ideas. I very much disagree that it has significantly changed the way anyone actually feels about things or what they believe but has merely allowed people of similar thoughts to coordinate and act in a much more efficient way. It only appears as if certain ideas have grown in popularity due to this.

I suspect you are at least half correct, but are underestimating the radicalising effect echo chambers can have. Particularly with things like QAnon, Incels or even things like Flat Earthers who would normally not be able to work each other up into greater heights of delusion.

[Koletsia]

I suspect you are at least half correct, but are underestimating the radicalising effect echo chambers can have. Particularly with things like QAnon, Incels or even things like Flat Earthers who would normally not be able to work each other up into greater heights of delusion.

Are you suggesting people should not be able to share their ideas with like-minded people?

[Dresderstan]

It's their narrative. Just as many people who align themselves with the Democratic Party call everyone right of them a "fascist", Republicans do the same lumping every ostensibly "left wing" movement together as one entity. It's infantile thinking but it's unfortunately quite widespread and not helped by mass media brainwashing.

Break up big media and big tech.

And the chances of that happening is slim to none until drastic action is taken against the government and big media and corporations through any and all means necessary.

[Albrenia]

I suspect you are at least half correct, but are underestimating the radicalising effect echo chambers can have. Particularly with things like QAnon, Incels or even things like Flat Earthers who would normally not be able to work each other up into greater heights of delusion.

Are you suggesting people should not be able to share their ideas with like-minded people?

No, but it has negative effects. Social media should not be banned, but it is undoubtedly a huge part of the current problem of the rising of baseless, near delusional beliefs among the insular communities that spring up around it.

Much like how I don't think fast food should be banned, but it is undoubtedly a large part of the obesity epidemic.

[Koletsia]

No, but it has negative effects. Social media should not be banned, but it is undoubtedly a huge part of the current problem of the rising of baseless, near delusional beliefs among the insular communities that spring up around it.

Much like how I don't think fast food should be banned, but it is undoubtedly a large part of the obesity epidemic.

So what do you propose?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Here, a video of former national security advisor Michael Flynn saying that he thinks a coup like the one in Myanmar should happen in the US

(this is at the QAnon Conference in Dallas)

I feel that if America would collapse, Flynn would be insane enough to take over his home state and try to take it back.

Thank goodness Trump rejected his ideas of military-monitored elections(and possibly allowed a more widespread ridicule of him by inviting him to the White House).

[North Washington Republic]

Here, a video of former national security advisor Michael Flynn saying that he thinks a coup like the one in Myanmar should happen in the US

(this is at the QAnon Conference in Dallas)

I feel that if America would collapse, Flynn would be insane enough to take over his home state and try to take it back.

Thank goodness Trump rejected his ideas of military-monitored elections(and possibly allowed a more widespread ridicule of him by inviting him to the White House).

Flynn is deserving of a military tribunal for inciting sedition. He deserves the death penalty for his damage he has done to our Republic.

[Albrenia]

I don't have a solution to the problem, sadly. Beyond trying to teach people the dangers of such behaviour, and trying to somehow convince people to re-install their bullshit filters which participation in those sorts of communities inevitably shuts down.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I feel that if America would collapse, Flynn would be insane enough to take over his home state and try to take it back.

Thank goodness Trump rejected his ideas of military-monitored elections(and possibly allowed a more widespread ridicule of him by inviting him to the White House).

Flynn is deserving of a military tribunal for inciting sedition. He deserves the death penalty for his damage he has done to our Republic.

I read up on it a little, seems it's a punishable offense in the military code, along with mutiny. However, it seems he's not in the military anymore. It also seems charges of sedition apply only to those who actually go ahead with the overthrow, though that might be just because they're the only ones people are willing to pursue charges against. I'm sadly not to informed on the matter. Still, we can agree Flynn is a quack.

[The Black Forrest]

It's their narrative. Just as many people who align themselves with the Democratic Party call everyone right of them a "fascist", Republicans do the same lumping every ostensibly "left wing" movement together as one entity. It's infantile thinking but it's unfortunately quite widespread and not helped by mass media brainwashing.

Break up big media and big tech.

Why?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Break up big media and big tech.

Why?

The media is pretty consolidated here in the U.S. with only a handful of corporations controlling most news media. That is not really a good thing, as it gives a small group of people incredible power over the public. Same thing with big tech sites like google.

[Lady Victory]

Flynn is deserving of a military tribunal for inciting sedition. He deserves the death penalty for his damage he has done to our Republic.

I read up on it a little, seems it's a punishable offense in the military code, along with mutiny. However, it seems he's not in the military anymore. It also seems charges of sedition apply only to those who actually go ahead with the overthrow, though that might be just because they're the only ones people are willing to pursue charges against. I'm sadly not to informed on the matter. Still, we can agree Flynn is a quack.

Flynn is more than a quack; he's a dirtbag turncoat traitor. A genuine Benedict Arnold - a modern Jefferson Davis.