American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Washington Resistance Army]

Certainly, but that doesn't mean it's inherently wrong.

Um, no. Terrorism is like child molestation. There is no justification for it.

You live in a nation founded by terrorists and had George Washington on your flag for a long while. Save me the bullshit moralism and come back to the real world.

[North Washington Republic]

Um, no. Terrorism is like child molestation. There is no justification for it.

You live in a nation founded by terrorists and had George Washington on your flag for a long while. Save me the bullshit moralism and come back to the real world.

You’re the one that’s needs save me from the bullshit nihilism and come back to the real world.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You live in a nation founded by terrorists and had George Washington on your flag for a long while. Save me the bullshit moralism and come back to the real world.

You’re the one that’s needs save me from the bullshit nihilism and come back to the real world.

Literally nothing in this discussion has anything to do with nihilism. Saying terrorism is never justified is just tut tutting centrism, there's a wide range of situations in which violence is an acceptable means to force political change. John Browns raid was terrorism but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone nowadays who thinks it was unjustified.

[North Washington Republic]

You’re the one that’s needs save me from the bullshit nihilism and come back to the real world.

Literally nothing in this discussion has anything to do with nihilism. Saying terrorism is never justified is just tut tutting centrism, there's a wide range of situations in which violence is an acceptable means to force political change. John Browns raid was terrorism but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone nowadays who thinks it was unjustified.

Well, I’m am a centrist. Haven’t you figured that out yet?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Literally nothing in this discussion has anything to do with nihilism. Saying terrorism is never justified is just tut tutting centrism, there's a wide range of situations in which violence is an acceptable means to force political change. John Browns raid was terrorism but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone nowadays who thinks it was unjustified.

Well, I’m am a centrist. Haven’t you figured that out yet?

Yes, I have, and it's why your views are so atrocious. There is no moral middle ground on plenty of issues, it's a fantasy and one which has severely handicapped this nation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Literally nothing in this discussion has anything to do with nihilism. Saying terrorism is never justified is just tut tutting centrism, there's a wide range of situations in which violence is an acceptable means to force political change. John Browns raid was terrorism but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone nowadays who thinks it was unjustified.

Well, I’m am a centrist. Haven’t you figured that out yet?

Yes, I have, and it's why your views are so atrocious. There is no moral middle ground on plenty of issues, it's a fantasy and one which has severely handicapped this nation.

[North Washington Republic]

Well, I’m am a centrist. Haven’t you figured that out yet?

Yes, I have, and it's why your views are so atrocious. There is no moral middle ground on plenty of issues, it's a fantasy and one which has severely handicapped this nation.

And I think your views are atrocious as well. And I believe that growing polarization and extremism in American politics is ruining this nation. This is a debate form. You’re going to encounter people you disagree with.

[Luminesa]

Yes, I have, and it's why your views are so atrocious. There is no moral middle ground on plenty of issues, it's a fantasy and one which has severely handicapped this nation.

And I think your views are atrocious as well. And I believe that growing polarization and extremism in American politics is ruining this nation. This is a debate form. You’re going to encounter people you disagree with.

WRA has been on this forum for...quite a long time, just popping in to make a mention. He's not a spring chicken...or spring mountain man.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Well, I’m am a centrist. Haven’t you figured that out yet?

Yes, I have, and it's why your views are so atrocious. There is no moral middle ground on plenty of issues, it's a fantasy and one which has severely handicapped this nation.

Yes, we strongly agree on this one, on the Republicans side and on the Democrats side.

[North Washington Republic]

And I think your views are atrocious as well. And I believe that growing polarization and extremism in American politics is ruining this nation. This is a debate form. You’re going to encounter people you disagree with.

WRA has been on this forum for...quite a long time, just popping in to make a mention. He's not a spring chicken...or spring mountain man.

I can see that, but the whole “you suck”, “No, you suck” isn’t really going to get anywhere. I understand that me being a centrist on this form is not going to win me a popularity contest, and that’s fine. I want to talk about the issues at hand.

The issue was that I mentioned that my local police station was destroyed and burned, and even a year later, our community still doesn’t have a permanent police station. I said I viewed both that and the attack at the Capitol as acts of terrorism and said terrorism is never justified, which apparently pissed WRA off.

[Washington Resistance Army]

WRA has been on this forum for...quite a long time, just popping in to make a mention. He's not a spring chicken...or spring mountain man.

I can see that, but the whole “you suck”, “No, you suck” isn’t really going to get anywhere. I understand that me being a centrist on this form is not going to win me a popularity contest, and that’s fine. I want to talk about the issues at hand.

The issue was that I mentioned that my local police station was destroyed and burned, and even a year later, our community still doesn’t have a permanent police station. I said I viewed both as terrorism and said terrorism is never justified, which apparently pissed WRA off.

Oh I don't think you suck, you're fine as a person. But that view is just a meme. You're trying to morally equate people lashing out over a verifiable trend of minority peoples being vastly more likely to be gunned down than the majority and their killers more likely to face no punishment with people trying to hang Pence because Trump said he was bad and stole the election. There is no universe in which these things are on the same level.

[North Washington Republic]

I can see that, but the whole “you suck”, “No, you suck” isn’t really going to get anywhere. I understand that me being a centrist on this form is not going to win me a popularity contest, and that’s fine. I want to talk about the issues at hand.

The issue was that I mentioned that my local police station was destroyed and burned, and even a year later, our community still doesn’t have a permanent police station. I said I viewed both as terrorism and said terrorism is never justified, which apparently pissed WRA off.

Oh I don't think you suck, you're fine as a person. But that view is just a meme. You're trying to morally equate people lashing out over a verifiable trend of minority peoples being vastly more likely to be gunned down than the majority and their killers more likely to face no punishment with people trying to hang Pence because Trump said he was bad and stole the election. There is no universe in which these things are on the same level.

Ah, but I do agree that POC are treated differently by police and the justice system, and definitely not in a good way. I also agree that law enforcement has been infiltrated by white supremacists, and many do commit acts of violence against POC in order to spark the race war they want so badly. I do believe that reforms and expulsion of white supremacists in law-enforcement is necessary. I also believe in getting rid of qualified immunity. Police should know they they are going to hold accountable. I also support more community policing and residency requirements.

That being said, I think burning down the police station does WAY more harm than good, encourages anarchy and is an act of terrorism. And as for the terrorist attack on the Capitol, I’ve said repeatedly that I believe that the perpetrators should receive the death penalty.

[-SARS-]

And as for the terrorist attack on the Capitol, I’ve said repeatedly that I believe that the perpetrators should receive the death penalty.

That escalated quickly.

[Greater Miami Shores]

WRA has been on this forum for...quite a long time, just popping in to make a mention. He's not a spring chicken...or spring mountain man.

I can see that, but the whole “you suck”, “No, you suck” isn’t really going to get anywhere. I understand that me being a centrist on this form is not going to win me a popularity contest, and that’s fine. I want to talk about the issues at hand.

The issue was that I mentioned that my local police station was destroyed and burned, and even a year later, our community still doesn’t have a permanent police station. I said I viewed both that and the attack at the Capitol as acts of terrorism and said terrorism is never justified, which apparently pissed WRA off.

I commend you for being a centrist. I am a right winger. But the leftists tell me and us we are always wrong on all issues based on objective Facts and the scientific method, and me and my fellow right wingers, are always wrong on all issues based on our opinions" They are always right on all issues based on objective Facts and the scientific method, and we are always wrong on all issues based on our opinions?

[North Washington Republic]

And as for the terrorist attack on the Capitol, I’ve said repeatedly that I believe that the perpetrators should receive the death penalty.

That escalated quickly.

I believe seditious and terrorist acts should have the death penalty. *shrugs*

What do you believe is an appropriate punishment for them and do you think that those that attacked the Capitol can be rehabilitated? I don’t think so.

[-SARS-]

That escalated quickly.

I believe seditious and terrorist acts should have the death penalty. *shrugs*

What do you believe is an appropriate punishment for them and do you think that those that attacked the Capitol can be rehabilitated? I don’t think so.

Some can be rehabilitated and some can't. They should go to prison.

[Greater Miami Shores]

As I have explained in details many times, it is ridiculous to think President Trump planned a Coup Coup D'état against the Capitol Police, the Armed Forces of the USA, and the US government with 500 or so, or even a thousand right wingers, what a Great Coup D[etat Plan? But many of your leftists friends since you are not a leftist, strongly believe it. I think I explained it to you in details in one of my posts on it.

Nobody ever said Trump was smart.

Quite the opposite actually, he's dumb as shit and uses grade school vocabulary so yeah it's not very ridiculous to think he'd try that.

Dude, the article you presented on the Moderators forum, where you state it is a Fact and True, Trump speaks like a child, is written by Emily Shugerman who also writes for the Daily Beast, both of them, are biased, partisan, anti Republican and anti Trump, of course she is going to say this, which just happens to agree with your views. Just because they are your views does not make it a Fact and True. I and millions of Proud Trump Cultists, Pro America First, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, have heard President Trump speak at Trump Rallies, the News, Post Conferences and From The White House, we strongly think President Trump speaks Great and Awesome. I think the opposite and millions of us Proud Trump Cultists, Pro America First, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor, strongly agree with me. I will never say any person speaks like a child, I would not like it if any person said I speak like a child. I think you would not like it if any person said you speak like a child. I think you and I or any person would not like it, if another person said we speak like a child. I think any person would not like it if any person said they speak like a child. I think Republican President Trump would not like it if any persons says he speaks like a child. I think all of us would strongly disagree with anyone who says we speak like a child. I think it is very disrespectful for any person to say another person speaks like like a child.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 49926.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/emily-shugerman

[Kowani]

Tom Perez, Obama's Labour Secretary and previous Chair of the DNC, signs on as lobbyist at union-busting firm

Former Obama Labor Secretary Tom Perez announced on Thursday that he’s joining the law firm Venable LLP, whose website boasts that its lawyers “regularly counsel and train clients on union avoidance.”

Perez, who was the Democratic National Committee (DNC) chair until January, joins a growing number of Obama officials who cashed in their government experience with jobs at union-busting companies. That list includes press secretaries Jay Carney, who became the top flack at Amazon, and Robert Gibbs, who spent several years as a top flack for McDonald’s. Obama senior advisor David Plouffe served as policy chief at Uber, while former senior adviser Valerie Jarrett has a board seat at Lyft.

Rather than avoid issues he oversaw as Labor Secretary, Perez said in a press release he will be working specifically on those issues.

“Venable’s attorneys are at the forefront of helping clients navigate dynamic regulatory, policy, and labor and employment issues,” Perez said in Venable’s press release announcing his hiring. “I look forward to joining them in this important work.” Michael Volpe, a co-chair of Venable’s labor and employment practice group, said that Perez’s “unique background and insights on workplace matters will be invaluable to our clients.” Volpe’s firm biography notes that he has “broad experience representing corporate interests in union organizing efforts and campaigns.”

Perez served as Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights under President Barack Obama, before serving as Obama’s Labor Secretary from 2013 to 2017.

Later, he served as DNC chair, after Obama and now-President Joe Biden reportedly worked the phones to help propel him to victory over progressive favorite Keith Ellison, who is now Minnesota’s attorney general.

Earlier this year, Perez applauded Biden’s choice for Labor Secretary, Marty Walsh, tweeting: “America needs a secretary of labor who will fight tirelessly to empower American workers and the labor movement. A union member and champion of workers’ rights, Marty Walsh is the right person for the job.”

Now, months later, Perez is joining a law firm that openly helps Corporate America crush unions.

“Recognizing that the goal of our clients is to prevent and manage their business risks, we regularly counsel and train clients on union avoidance, employee terminations, arbitration, and contract administration and interpretation,” Venable’s website says.

In another area of its website, the firm says that its “lawyers regularly advise and represent clients in connection with matters before the National Labor Relations Board, union negotiations and organizing, labor strikes, picketing, and corporate campaigns.”

One Venable partner’s firm bio brags that he “defeated a labor union bid for recognition as the collective bargaining representative after advising and coordinating the employer's five-month anti-union campaign.”

Another Venable lawyer’s bio gloats that she secured a “favorable result for [a] corporation undergoing a Department of Labor investigation regarding violations of the Federal Labor Standards Act.”

According to Maryland Matters, Perez's job at Venable is only part-time, and he could still run for governor in Maryland in 2022.

Venable’s website says its lobbying thrives on its “deep bench and legal strength,” which “complement our reputation and relationships in Washington, D.C., giving clients a seat at the table and access to our powerful government network.”

The firm’s lobbying clients have included Lockheed Martin, Citadel LLC, American Airlines, and the Self-Driving Coalition for Safer Streets, which represents rideshare companies like Uber and Lyft.

Venable regularly submits comments on behalf of their clients to regulatory agencies, including the Labor Department.

In 2011, Venable submitted a comment opposing the Obama Labor Department’s proposed “persuader rule,” which was designed to require employers to more thoroughly disclose their spending on anti-union consultants, on behalf of the Coalition for a Democratic Workplace, a front for corporate lobbying groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers.

Venable warned that the Labor Department’s persuader rule would deny “employers the needed legal advice to communicate with employees both before and during periods of union organizing, collective bargaining and strikes.”

The rule was finally implemented in 2016, but it was blocked by a federal district court judge. When Donald Trump took office in 2017, his administration quickly moved to rescind it.

[Kilobugya]

Ah, but I do agree that POC are treated differently by police and the justice system, and definitely not in a good way. I also agree that law enforcement has been infiltrated by white supremacists, and many do commit acts of violence against POC in order to spark the race war they want so badly. I do believe that reforms and expulsion of white supremacists in law-enforcement is necessary. I also believe in getting rid of qualified immunity. Police should know they they are going to hold accountable. I also support more community policing and residency requirements.

That being said, I think burning down the police station does WAY more harm than good, encourages anarchy and is an act of terrorism. And as for the terrorist attack on the Capitol, I’ve said repeatedly that I believe that the perpetrators should receive the death penalty.

So you've on one side people defending a justified cause, filled with legitimate anger over a deep injustice, but a few of them using method you oppose. And on the other side, people wanting to steal an election and kill those not allowing that. You can't equate the two.

I agree that the acts of violence done by some people among BLM protests were wrong, not so much because I oppose violence itself (I do in general, but there are cases where it's only recourse we have left), but mostly because it was tactically bad, it gave a bad image of a movement that was otherwise very popular. But that's not, at all, comparable with the Jan 6th attack.

As for the death penalty, I oppose it in every case, it's barbaric, inhumane, inefficient and cheapening human life.

[Albrenia]

As for the death penalty, I oppose it in every case, it's barbaric, inhumane, inefficient and cheapening human life.

Same, along with my general discomfort with the state being allowed to decide to kill a civilian who is posing no danger to anyone (because they're locked up in prison, for example).

[Greater Miami Shores]

As for the death penalty, I oppose it in every case, it's barbaric, inhumane, inefficient and cheapening human life.

Same, along with my general discomfort with the state being allowed to decide to kill a civilian who is posing no danger to anyone (because they're locked up in prison, for example).

Even if they have committed murder?

[Albrenia]

Same, along with my general discomfort with the state being allowed to decide to kill a civilian who is posing no danger to anyone (because they're locked up in prison, for example).

Even if they have committed murder?

Yup. Let the bastards rot in jail for life with no hope of parole.

Has the added benefit of if new evidence turns up proving their innocence, they can at least be freed for what remains of their lives.

[Kilobugya]

Even if they have committed murder?

Yes, killing someone doesn't undo killing someone. It just adds suffering and death to suffering death. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. And society gains nothing by sinking at the level of murders, voluntarily ending a life that's not longer a threat.

I can understand police forces killing someone who is armed and dangerous, when it's the only way to prevent him from killing others, but that's it - once the suspect as been arrested and neutralized, there is absolutely no justification for ending his life.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Even if they have committed murder?

Yup. Let the bastards rot in jail for life with no hope of parole.

Has the added benefit of if new evidence turns up proving their innocence, they can at least be freed for what remains of their lives.

I am undecided on this issue, I like the idea they should pay with their life for killing another person. But I like the idea of letting them rot in jail for the rest of their life. I used to work with a Black Lady, good friend of mine at work, we used to help each other out a lot, and we talked a lot on our lunch break. I can't remember if she is from the US Virgin Islands or the British Virgin Islands, she told me in her nation the punishment fits the crimes, I cant remember what the punishment is for Rape, I think she said they cut their off.

[Kilobugya]

Yup. Let the bastards rot in jail for life with no hope of parole.

I don't agree with life without parole either - people can change and redeem themselves.