American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Nakena]

Semi related note:

Listening to "In the name of god" by Sabaton, reading YouTube comments.

Someone said that they think that the Jan 6th Terrorist attack was done by ""leftists"".

God they still fall for that lie.

I'm so tired of all this shit.

YouTube comments are a own category of darkness.

And quite fun to read, too!

[Lady Victory]

Considering that you're angry about rightists being called terrorists, I will guess you are right wing. Therefore of course you weren't scared because it wasn't you who would have been sent to the firing squad if the fever dream of those insurrectionists came true. It would be many of us. You've consistently downplayed what happened on January 6th and yet we all saw the footage. We saw an angry mob storm the capitol with zip ties and a gallows outside looking for senators. I'm sorry the rightists in the capitol made themselves look like terrorists by, you know, being terrorists.

Look in their sig, he's left wing.

He's Left-wing? Maybe somebody should've told him that before he started posting.

[Kowani]

Trump Justice Department obtained Washington Post journalists’ phone records and tried to obtain their email records over reporting they did in the early months of the Trump administration on Russia’s role in the 2016 election

The Justice Department obtained call records for the phones of three Washington Post reporters last year in an apparent bid to discover the sources for a 2017 story detailing a sensitive aspect of the federal investigation into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, the newspaper said Friday. Federal investigators used court orders to obtain so-called toll records on phones used by a trio of Post reporters who worked on a July 2017 story about intelligence intercepts indicating that Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak told superiors he discussed issues related to Russia with then-Trump campaign adviser Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, according to the Post. Such intercepts are considered signals intelligence and are typically treated as highly classified. At his confirmation hearing for attorney general, Sessions denied ever meeting the ambassador during the campaign, but later acknowledged the encounters while denying Kislyak's reported accounts of the meetings.

The toll records typically indicate what numbers a reporter called or received calls from and for how long the call was connected, but do not include information on the content of the conversations.

The Post said the journalists — Ellen Nakashima, Greg Miller and former Post reporter Adam Entous — received letters on May 3 notifying them that the government obtained their calling records from April 15, 2017 through July 31, 2017.

A top Post editor, Cameron Barr, said in a statement that the newspaper is disturbed by the tactics.

“We are deeply troubled by this use of government power to seek access to the communications of journalists,” Barr said. “The Department of Justice should immediately make clear its reasons for this intrusion into the activities of reporters doing their jobs, an activity protected under the First Amendment.”

The Post story was one of a series of leaks that infuriated President Donald Trump during his first months in office. Just two weeks after the report about Kislyak and Sessions, Sessions announced a major crackdown on what he called a "culture of leaks." The attorney general also announced he was creating an FBI unit devoted solely to unlawful disclosures of classified information in the media and he said the department was reviewing its policy on subpoenas seeking information from or about journalists. No changes to the policy were subsequently announced.

Justice Department spokesperson Marc Raimondi declined to discuss specifics about the steps taken toward the Post or to say precisely who was under investigation, but he emphasized that the goal was not to prosecute the journalists.

“While rare, the Department follows the established procedures within its media guidelines policy when seeking legal process to obtain telephone toll records and non-content email records from media members as part of a criminal investigation into the unauthorized disclosure of classified information,” Raimondi said. “The targets of these investigations are not the news media recipients but rather those with access to the national defense information who provided it to the media and thus failed to protect it as lawfully required.”

The Post said the notices it received indicated that investigators obtained permission to access information on what accounts the reporters were emailing to or receiving emails from but that no such data was received by the government. A Post spokesperson declined to comment on why or to say if the newspaper knew of the government’s investigation before this week.

However, an official confirmed that the orders were not obtained until last year. That raises the likelihood that the years-old emails may have been automatically or manually deleted by the time investigators got permission to seek the data.

It seems unlikely the Post would have agreed to turn over the email data without a legal fight. It is unclear whether one of the paper’s service providers would have had access to the information.

Under guidelines revamped by Attorney General Eric Holder in 2013 following controversies over the department's use of legal tools to snoop on reporters, the department is required to notify journalists about such searches within 45 days after obtaining the records.

The attorney general can extend that period to 90 days under exigent circumstances but additional delays are not permitted.

The issuance of the notices earlier this week suggests the department did not receive the data until February of this year or later, after the Biden administration came into office.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Trump Justice Department obtained Washington Post journalists’ phone records and tried to obtain their email records over reporting they did in the early months of the Trump administration on Russia’s role in the 2016 election

The Justice Department obtained call records for the phones of three Washington Post reporters last year in an apparent bid to discover the sources for a 2017 story detailing a sensitive aspect of the federal investigation into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, the newspaper said Friday. Federal investigators used court orders to obtain so-called toll records on phones used by a trio of Post reporters who worked on a July 2017 story about intelligence intercepts indicating that Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak told superiors he discussed issues related to Russia with then-Trump campaign adviser Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, according to the Post. Such intercepts are considered signals intelligence and are typically treated as highly classified. At his confirmation hearing for attorney general, Sessions denied ever meeting the ambassador during the campaign, but later acknowledged the encounters while denying Kislyak's reported accounts of the meetings.

The toll records typically indicate what numbers a reporter called or received calls from and for how long the call was connected, but do not include information on the content of the conversations.

The Post said the journalists — Ellen Nakashima, Greg Miller and former Post reporter Adam Entous — received letters on May 3 notifying them that the government obtained their calling records from April 15, 2017 through July 31, 2017.

A top Post editor, Cameron Barr, said in a statement that the newspaper is disturbed by the tactics.

“We are deeply troubled by this use of government power to seek access to the communications of journalists,” Barr said. “The Department of Justice should immediately make clear its reasons for this intrusion into the activities of reporters doing their jobs, an activity protected under the First Amendment.”

The Post story was one of a series of leaks that infuriated President Donald Trump during his first months in office. Just two weeks after the report about Kislyak and Sessions, Sessions announced a major crackdown on what he called a "culture of leaks." The attorney general also announced he was creating an FBI unit devoted solely to unlawful disclosures of classified information in the media and he said the department was reviewing its policy on subpoenas seeking information from or about journalists. No changes to the policy were subsequently announced.

Justice Department spokesperson Marc Raimondi declined to discuss specifics about the steps taken toward the Post or to say precisely who was under investigation, but he emphasized that the goal was not to prosecute the journalists.

“While rare, the Department follows the established procedures within its media guidelines policy when seeking legal process to obtain telephone toll records and non-content email records from media members as part of a criminal investigation into the unauthorized disclosure of classified information,” Raimondi said. “The targets of these investigations are not the news media recipients but rather those with access to the national defense information who provided it to the media and thus failed to protect it as lawfully required.”

The Post said the notices it received indicated that investigators obtained permission to access information on what accounts the reporters were emailing to or receiving emails from but that no such data was received by the government. A Post spokesperson declined to comment on why or to say if the newspaper knew of the government’s investigation before this week.

However, an official confirmed that the orders were not obtained until last year. That raises the likelihood that the years-old emails may have been automatically or manually deleted by the time investigators got permission to seek the data.

It seems unlikely the Post would have agreed to turn over the email data without a legal fight. It is unclear whether one of the paper’s service providers would have had access to the information.

Under guidelines revamped by Attorney General Eric Holder in 2013 following controversies over the department's use of legal tools to snoop on reporters, the department is required to notify journalists about such searches within 45 days after obtaining the records.

The attorney general can extend that period to 90 days under exigent circumstances but additional delays are not permitted.

The issuance of the notices earlier this week suggests the department did not receive the data until February of this year or later, after the Biden administration came into office.

This is what a dictatorship looks like.

[San Lumen]

Trump Justice Department obtained Washington Post journalists’ phone records and tried to obtain their email records over reporting they did in the early months of the Trump administration on Russia’s role in the 2016 election

The Justice Department obtained call records for the phones of three Washington Post reporters last year in an apparent bid to discover the sources for a 2017 story detailing a sensitive aspect of the federal investigation into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, the newspaper said Friday. Federal investigators used court orders to obtain so-called toll records on phones used by a trio of Post reporters who worked on a July 2017 story about intelligence intercepts indicating that Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak told superiors he discussed issues related to Russia with then-Trump campaign adviser Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, according to the Post. Such intercepts are considered signals intelligence and are typically treated as highly classified. At his confirmation hearing for attorney general, Sessions denied ever meeting the ambassador during the campaign, but later acknowledged the encounters while denying Kislyak's reported accounts of the meetings.

The toll records typically indicate what numbers a reporter called or received calls from and for how long the call was connected, but do not include information on the content of the conversations.

The Post said the journalists — Ellen Nakashima, Greg Miller and former Post reporter Adam Entous — received letters on May 3 notifying them that the government obtained their calling records from April 15, 2017 through July 31, 2017.

A top Post editor, Cameron Barr, said in a statement that the newspaper is disturbed by the tactics.

“We are deeply troubled by this use of government power to seek access to the communications of journalists,” Barr said. “The Department of Justice should immediately make clear its reasons for this intrusion into the activities of reporters doing their jobs, an activity protected under the First Amendment.”

The Post story was one of a series of leaks that infuriated President Donald Trump during his first months in office. Just two weeks after the report about Kislyak and Sessions, Sessions announced a major crackdown on what he called a "culture of leaks." The attorney general also announced he was creating an FBI unit devoted solely to unlawful disclosures of classified information in the media and he said the department was reviewing its policy on subpoenas seeking information from or about journalists. No changes to the policy were subsequently announced.

Justice Department spokesperson Marc Raimondi declined to discuss specifics about the steps taken toward the Post or to say precisely who was under investigation, but he emphasized that the goal was not to prosecute the journalists.

“While rare, the Department follows the established procedures within its media guidelines policy when seeking legal process to obtain telephone toll records and non-content email records from media members as part of a criminal investigation into the unauthorized disclosure of classified information,” Raimondi said. “The targets of these investigations are not the news media recipients but rather those with access to the national defense information who provided it to the media and thus failed to protect it as lawfully required.”

The Post said the notices it received indicated that investigators obtained permission to access information on what accounts the reporters were emailing to or receiving emails from but that no such data was received by the government. A Post spokesperson declined to comment on why or to say if the newspaper knew of the government’s investigation before this week.

However, an official confirmed that the orders were not obtained until last year. That raises the likelihood that the years-old emails may have been automatically or manually deleted by the time investigators got permission to seek the data.

It seems unlikely the Post would have agreed to turn over the email data without a legal fight. It is unclear whether one of the paper’s service providers would have had access to the information.

Under guidelines revamped by Attorney General Eric Holder in 2013 following controversies over the department's use of legal tools to snoop on reporters, the department is required to notify journalists about such searches within 45 days after obtaining the records.

The attorney general can extend that period to 90 days under exigent circumstances but additional delays are not permitted.

The issuance of the notices earlier this week suggests the department did not receive the data until February of this year or later, after the Biden administration came into office.

This is what a dictatorship looks like.

Republicans have all but admitted they want a one party state. If they hold Congress and the Senate come January 3rd 2025 i cannot be ruled out they refuse to certify the result of a Democrat winning.

[North Washington Republic]

This is what a dictatorship looks like.

Republicans have all but admitted they want a one party state. If they hold Congress and the Senate come January 3rd 2025 i cannot be ruled out they refuse to certify the result of a Democrat winning.

I’m afraid for the American Republic.

[Lady Victory]

Republicans have all but admitted they want a one party state. If they hold Congress and the Senate come January 3rd 2025 i cannot be ruled out they refuse to certify the result of a Democrat winning.

I’m afraid for the American Republican.

I'm afraid of the American Republican.

[San Lumen]

Republicans have all but admitted they want a one party state. If they hold Congress and the Senate come January 3rd 2025 i cannot be ruled out they refuse to certify the result of a Democrat winning.

I’m afraid for the American Republican.

Yup and they wouldn't care about the mass protests and unrest that would follow. Democrats would hopefully refuse to accept the legitimacy of a President installed like that.

[North Washington Republic]

I’m afraid for the American Republican.

I'm afraid of the American Republican.

I meant to type “Republic”, but autocorrect said other wise.

[San Lumen]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 1620430429

Detroit Police chief James Craig has announced he will run for Governor of Michigan. he did not deny plans he will run as a Republican.

https://www.mlive.com/politics/2021/05/ ... dixon.html

conservative media personality Tudor Dixon will likely run as well.

[Kowani]

I’m afraid for the American Republican.

I'm afraid of the American Republican.

AQ for you

[North Washington Republic]

I'm afraid of the American Republican.

AQ for you

I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.

[Shrillland]

AQ for you

I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.

Trust me, nobody here at NSG is rejoicing over this. We're political and history nerds, so we've seen it all before.

[San Lumen]

AQ for you

I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.

Im very worried for the future of Democracy in the the US.

[Kowani]

AQ for you

I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.

why would we rejoice
the outcomes of this are bad
the left will not win this struggle
we're not hyperpartisans who can't see past the next election

[North Washington Republic]

I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.

why would we rejoice
the outcomes of this are bad
the left will not win this struggle
we're not hyperpartisans who can't see past the next election

Dude, it’s not the left that thinks this is bad. They’re are conservatives that support Democracy and Constitutional government. Look at the Lincoln Project. I know some think they’re just grifters, but I’m using them as an example that not everyone on the right is a Trump follower.

[Kowani]

why would we rejoice
the outcomes of this are bad
the left will not win this struggle
we're not hyperpartisans who can't see past the next election

Dude, it’s not the left that thinks this is bad.

wait, we do tho

They’re are conservatives that support Democracy and Constitutional government.

this is complex, and broadly speaking, it's a "no they don't", they just don't like the Trumpist version of outright overturning elections

Look at the Lincoln Project. I know some think they’re just grifters, but I’m using them as an example that not everyone on the right is a Trump follower.

ah yes, the "we sent millions to companies we owned" by "running ads that weren't actually effective" Lincoln Project
pure, undiluted, grift

[The Alma Mater]

AQ for you

I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.

I admit it is somewhat gratifying to see the thing we have been warning you about since the 50s has in fact happened - but everyone in their right mind is not happy about the fact that a significant part of the USA lives in a seperate reality.

[North Washington Republic]

Dude, it’s not the left that thinks this is bad.

wait, we do tho

They’re are conservatives that support Democracy and Constitutional government.

this is complex, and broadly speaking, it's a "no they don't", they just don't like the Trumpist version of outright overturning elections

Look at the Lincoln Project. I know some think they’re just grifters, but I’m using them as an example that not everyone on the right is a Trump follower.

ah yes, the "we sent millions to companies we owned" by "running ads that weren't actually effective" Lincoln Project
pure, undiluted, grift

Damn me, I’m just a typo king tonight. I meant to say that it’s not only the left that think this is bad.

But as doe the Lincoln Project, I would point to the fact that 9% of Republicans in Arizona voted for Joe Biden, which gave him his speaker.

[Kowani]

wait, we do tho
this is complex, and broadly speaking, it's a "no they don't", they just don't like the Trumpist version of outright overturning elections

ah yes, the "we sent millions to companies we owned" by "running ads that weren't actually effective" Lincoln Project
pure, undiluted, grift

Damn me, I’m just a typo king tonight. I meant to say that it’s not only the left that think this is bad.

But as doe the Lincoln Project, I would point to the fact that 9% of Republicans in Arizona voted for Joe Biden, which gave him his speaker.

...i have no clue what "speaker" means in this context, nor am i even sure if this sentence is true

[The Alma Mater]

There are dozens of words (like Putschist) which fit just fine in a non-legal sense. Can't we avoid the word which unwitting invokes the PATRIOT Act?

But.. using violence and/or threats to further a political goal is, by definition, a terrorist act...

[Kowani]

broadly speaking, it's a "no they don't"

Probably my dumb browser, but that's a 404 for me.

okay, then, a workaround
Very first link, "“Laboratories of Democratic Backsliding”

[North Washington Republic]

Damn me, I’m just a typo king tonight. I meant to say that it’s not only the left that think this is bad.

But as doe the Lincoln Project, I would point to the fact that 9% of Republicans in Arizona voted for Joe Biden, which gave him his speaker.

...i have no clue what "speaker" means in this context, nor am i even sure if this sentence is true

Boy I’m really bad night. I meant to type “ squeaker ” as in his narrow victory in Arizona.

I’m not lying when I say 9% of Republicans and 10% of conservatives in Arizona voted for Joe Biden

[Kowani]

...i have no clue what "speaker" means in this context, nor am i even sure if this sentence is true

Boy I’m really bad night. I meant to type “speaker” as in his narrow victory in Arizona.

I’m not lying when I say 9% of Republicans and 10% of conservatives in Arizona voted for Joe Biden

okay so I'm assuming you meant squeaker

but i'm unsure what your point is about bringing up the "9% of arizona republicans" here
there's almost always some cross-party voting

[Postauthoritarian America]

I know a lot of lefties are rejoicing at the fact the GOP has gone batshit crazy, but this will not end well and we may be seeing the last years of our Democratic Republic and Constitutional government.

Trust me, nobody here at NSG is rejoicing over this. We're political and history nerds, so we've seen it all before.

I'm still holding out hope that the inevitable collapse of the Republican Party clears the way for a true Socialist party in the US. I can dream, can't I?

Either that or it's Civil War II. Oh well, Costa Rica isn't such a bad place to live in I guess.