American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Washington Resistance Army]

I hope the next storming of the Capitol is at least done for a good reason like demanding health care, housing, debt cancelation, or something like that.

The one time Americans rise up and seize the Capitol is to install Trump as a dictator, what a travesty.

Oh, so it's fine to raid the capitol when it's socialists(and considering every time socialists raided the capitol socialism failed), but when it's right wingers it's bad. The only slightly better thing is that the socialists would likely try to oppress everyone equally.

I mean yeah a bunch of people only opposed the siege because of who did it.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I hope the next storming of the Capitol is at least done for a good reason like demanding health care, housing, debt cancelation, or something like that.

The one time Americans rise up and seize the Capitol is to install Trump as a dictator, what a travesty.

Oh, so it's fine to raid the capitol when it's socialists(and considering every time socialists raided the capitol socialism failed), but when it's right wingers it's bad. The only slightly better thing is that the socialists would likely try to oppress everyone equally.

Or would try to liberate everyone but you must not know what most of us stand for.

[Helidan]

Biden open to 25% corporate tax rate as part of an infrastructure bill compromise.
While I'd prefer total nationalization, that will never happen in America, so as long as the government actually taxes corporations, I believe this is a good compromise. Though I doubt the "People's Party" GOP will be happy with their precious corporations being taxed at all.

[Ifreann]

Oh, so it's fine to raid the capitol when it's socialists(and considering every time socialists raided the capitol socialism failed), but when it's right wingers it's bad. The only slightly better thing is that the socialists would likely try to oppress everyone equally.

I mean yeah a bunch of people only opposed the siege because of who did it.

Shocking new moral system in which it would be good to try and force the government do good things, even though it was bad when people tried to force the government to surrender Mike Pence so that he could be hanged.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

no, no, no
the obvious solution is genetically modifying the grass
because why would we reduce production on anything when we can just build increasingly complex ecological wunderwaffen?

tfw we've literally become Hitler in the bunker

Any day now Steiner and his wunderwaffe will stave off climate collapse

https://youtu.be/VxK98kZ9G3o

Billionaires trying to find a solution to climate change thats profitable be like

[Zurkerx]

It's a huge disappointment, especially considering how Cohen even admitted it was hush money. The FEC is broken- the only way forward now is for the DOJ to do something. Speaking of them, I do feel they'll intervene in the Arizona Case: I'm pretty sure this "audit" will be breaking many laws.



It was going to be a competitive race as is though Kemp would have the slight advantage. If he were to lose a chance at a second term, however, I do feel Abrams chances improve greatly, especially since someone like Jones would scare moderates and people living in the suburbs. It may even help Warnock so I can bet Democrats are hoping Trump endorses some nut-cases to challenge them.

I would be very surprised if Trump doesn’t endorse Jones.

I would be too.

Biden open to 25% corporate tax rate as part of an infrastructure bill compromise.
While I'd prefer total nationalization, that will never happen in America, so as long as the government actually taxes corporations, I believe this is a good compromise. Though I doubt the "People's Party" GOP will be happy with their precious corporations being taxed at all.

The 25% Rate has only been mainly floated by Manchin, which I feel Biden will do just to get his support; the GOP have no intention of compromising as we've seen and are just stalling. So, I suspect Biden will ram this through if he can, but he needs Manchin's support first.

Anyway, Most Republicans Still Won’t Accept That Biden Won, Biden is polling poorly on immigration, and the Virginia GOP has an unpredictable race for governor.

A CNN Polls shows that 70% of Republicans think Biden didn't win fairly, compared to 23% that do; 69% of Independents believe Biden won fairly as well as 97% Democrats holding the same view. These results are similar to a poll they did back in mid-January, a sign that Republicans won't let it go. In a chart by YouGov, the numbers of accepting Biden's Win are similar:

But in a Pew Poll, 68% of Americans he government was doing a very or somewhat bad job of handling the number of asylum seekers at the border. Concerns about unlawful entry into the U.S. have also shot up, with 48 percent of Americans saying that “illegal immigration is a very big problem,” the highest share since 2016. This number is driven by Republicans but there is a sizable minority of Democrats holding this view too. This could hurt Biden and Democrats in the Midterms though how big of an issue it would be remains to been seen.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I mean yeah a bunch of people only opposed the siege because of who did it.

Shocking new moral system in which it would be good to try and force the government do good things, even though it was bad when people tried to force the government to surrender Mike Pence so that he could be hanged.

Considering every socialist government that came to power by force turned tyranical, and to storm the capital you have to be extreme, they'd be hanging more than Pence.

[San Lumen]

I would be very surprised if Trump doesn’t endorse Jones.

I would be too.

Biden open to 25% corporate tax rate as part of an infrastructure bill compromise.
While I'd prefer total nationalization, that will never happen in America, so as long as the government actually taxes corporations, I believe this is a good compromise. Though I doubt the "People's Party" GOP will be happy with their precious corporations being taxed at all.

The 25% Rate has only been mainly floated by Manchin, which I feel Biden will do just to get his support; the GOP have no intention of compromising as we've seen and are just stalling. So, I suspect Biden will ram this through if he can, but he needs Manchin's support first.

Anyway, Most Republicans Still Won’t Accept That Biden Won, Biden is polling poorly on immigration, and the Virginia GOP has an unpredictable race for governor.

A CNN Polls shows that 70% of Republicans think Biden didn't win fairly, compared to 23% that do; 69% of Independents believe Biden won fairly as well as 97% Democrats holding the same view. These results are similar to a poll they did back in mid-January, a sign that Republicans won't let it go. In a chart by YouGov, the numbers of accepting Biden's Win are similar:

But in a Pew Poll, 68% of Americans he government was doing a very or somewhat bad job of handling the number of asylum seekers at the border. Concerns about unlawful entry into the U.S. have also shot up, with 48 percent of Americans saying that “illegal immigration is a very big problem,” the highest share since 2016. This number is driven by Republicans but there is a sizable minority of Democrats holding this view too. This could hurt Biden and Democrats in the Midterms though how big of an issue it would be remains to been seen.

I have a feeling Chase will get the nomination. If she does Democrats likely win all three statewide offices by double digits and get at least 60 seats in House of Delegates.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

500 (alleged) terrorists have been arrested by the FBI. More to come.

Still weaselling the word "terrorist" I see.

Unless the FBI has alleged that they're terrorists, saying "alleged terrorists" is just a lie. You putting the label you prefer on them can't be given authority by the word "alleged".

The moon is allegedly made of cheese. Alleged by NASA? No? Then no, it's not allegedly made of cheese.

They wanted to install Trump as dictator to own the libs.

This is literally the FBIs definition of terrorism.

[Ifreann]

Shocking new moral system in which it would be good to try and force the government do good things, even though it was bad when people tried to force the government to surrender Mike Pence so that he could be hanged.

Considering every socialist government that came to power by force turned tyranical, and to storm the capital you have to be extreme, they'd be hanging more than Pence.

Demanding healthcare will surely lead to Stalinism.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

500 (alleged) terrorists have been arrested by the FBI. More to come.

But see according to Trump they peacefully and law abidingly stormed the capitol, smeared feces on the walls and broke windows and tried to lynch Mike Pence. Because why be honest when you can just rewrite history like you're Joseph Stalin?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Shocking new moral system in which it would be good to try and force the government do good things, even though it was bad when people tried to force the government to surrender Mike Pence so that he could be hanged.

Considering every socialist government that came to power by force turned tyranical, and to storm the capital you have to be extreme, they'd be hanging more than Pence.

The Zapatistas and Rojava Kurds called. You're wrong.

[Kilobugya]

Considering every socialist government that came to power by force turned tyranical, and to storm the capital you have to be extreme, they'd be hanging more than Pence.

Paris' Commune begs to disagree.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Berbers in Barbacha be like "what tyranny? We pushed that out."

[Zurkerx]

I would be too.



The 25% Rate has only been mainly floated by Manchin, which I feel Biden will do just to get his support; the GOP have no intention of compromising as we've seen and are just stalling. So, I suspect Biden will ram this through if he can, but he needs Manchin's support first.

Anyway, Most Republicans Still Won’t Accept That Biden Won, Biden is polling poorly on immigration, and the Virginia GOP has an unpredictable race for governor.

A CNN Polls shows that 70% of Republicans think Biden didn't win fairly, compared to 23% that do; 69% of Independents believe Biden won fairly as well as 97% Democrats holding the same view. These results are similar to a poll they did back in mid-January, a sign that Republicans won't let it go. In a chart by YouGov, the numbers of accepting Biden's Win are similar:

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But in a Pew Poll, 68% of Americans he government was doing a very or somewhat bad job of handling the number of asylum seekers at the border. Concerns about unlawful entry into the U.S. have also shot up, with 48 percent of Americans saying that “illegal immigration is a very big problem,” the highest share since 2016. This number is driven by Republicans but there is a sizable minority of Democrats holding this view too. This could hurt Biden and Democrats in the Midterms though how big of an issue it would be remains to been seen.

I have a feeling Chase will get the nomination. If she does Democrats likely win all three statewide offices by double digits and get at least 60 seats in House of Delegates.

I'm not so sure: Youngkin has been making ground. That said, I see Trump hasn't endorsed anyone. If he does, that will change the trajectory of who the nominee will be though regardless, I do feel Democrats will win.

Terry McAuliffe will likely be the Democrat's nominee.

[Ifreann]

But see according to Trump they peacefully and law abidingly stormed the capitol, smeared feces on the walls and broke windows and tried to lynch Mike Pence. Because why be honest when you can just rewrite history like you're Joseph Stalin?

They did not try to lynch Mike Pence. Given how nearby Pence was, maybe you could make "conspiracy to lynch Mike Pence" but given that there was a rowdy protest going on, not even "uttering credible threats" is going to stand up against good ol' Free Speech.

They built a gallows. They weren't going to ask him to do chin ups.

[Picairn]

They did not try to lynch Mike Pence.

You sure buddy? What was a gallow doing in the Capitol then?

[Washington Resistance Army]

But see according to Trump they peacefully and law abidingly stormed the capitol, smeared feces on the walls and broke windows and tried to lynch Mike Pence. Because why be honest when you can just rewrite history like you're Joseph Stalin?

They did not try to lynch Mike Pence. Given how nearby Pence was, maybe you could make "conspiracy to lynch Mike Pence" but given that there was a rowdy protest going on, not even "uttering credible threats" is going to stand up against good ol' Free Speech.

I'm 99% sure "freedom of speech" does not extend to threatening to drag someone outside to the gallows you built to lynch them with lol

[Borderlands of Rojava]

But see according to Trump they peacefully and law abidingly stormed the capitol, smeared feces on the walls and broke windows and tried to lynch Mike Pence. Because why be honest when you can just rewrite history like you're Joseph Stalin?

They did not try to lynch Mike Pence. Given how nearby Pence was, maybe you could make "conspiracy to lynch Mike Pence" but given that there was a rowdy protest going on, not even "uttering credible threats" is going to stand up against good ol' Free Speech.

Storming a capitol with zip ties and threatening to hang Mike Pence is good old free speech? In what dystopia alternate universe, the purge?

[San Lumen]

I have a feeling Chase will get the nomination. If she does Democrats likely win all three statewide offices by double digits and get at least 60 seats in House of Delegates.

I'm not so sure: Youngkin has been making ground. That said, I see Trump hasn't endorsed anyone. If he does, that will change the trajectory of who the nominee will be though regardless, I do feel Democrats will win.

Terry McAuliffe will likely be the Democrat's nominee.

I agree McAuliffe will be the Democratic nominee. The Lt. Governor and Attorney General are the ones to watch. Democrats will probably hold the House as well.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Storming a capitol with zip ties and threatening to hang Mike Pence is good old free speech? In what dystopia alternate universe, the purge?

Threatening to hang Mike Pence =/= Trying to lynch Mike Pence.

Yes it is???

The definition of lynching is literally just an unlawful hanging.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Storming a capitol with zip ties and threatening to hang Mike Pence is good old free speech? In what dystopia alternate universe, the purge?

Threatening to hang Mike Pence =/= Trying to lynch Mike Pence.

The dystopian universe I live in, still includes a difference between words and deeds. Perhaps it would be a nicer place if we could just ban words like "murder" and "rape" and the deeds would magically become impossible.

They built a fucking gallows outside. No it was not just words, you're downplaying a violent attack on the Capitol that we all saw on TV.

This isn't good old fashioned free speech. It's terrorism and you know it: https://youtu.be/4qzjM-XUq0k

[Ifreann]

Storming a capitol with zip ties and threatening to hang Mike Pence is good old free speech? In what dystopia alternate universe, the purge?

Threatening to hang Mike Pence =/= Trying to lynch Mike Pence.

The dystopian universe I live in, still includes a difference between words and deeds. Perhaps it would be a nicer place if we could just ban words like "murder" and "rape" and the deeds would magically become impossible.

Looking for Mike Pence so that you can bring him to your gallows and hang him is trying to lynch Mike Pence, and we know that that is what they were trying to do because they said so, and we know they weren't just saying things for no reason because they also built a gallows.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They wanted to install Trump as dictator to own the libs.

This is literally the FBIs definition of terrorism.

How about you just go back to calling them "terrorists" on your own account, and not give the misleading impression that THE FBI alleges they are terrorists?

I still won't be happy with it. The US government has (imo unconstitutional) powers over anyone they designate as terrorists. It's a bit close to fascism for you to imply that people who mostly did nothing worse than breaking and entering, should be held without access to a lawyer etc.

To be honest, I think most of them should be given a fine and nothing more than a misdemeanor on their record. The idea that (most of them) intended to cause terror in order to change government policy, does not square with their non-violent methods (breaking doors and windows is not violence). Some of them had planned for weeks at least, and some knew the layout of the building. Yet no-one brought explosives to open doors. Dignifying that mob with the label "terrorists" is likely to please them rather than make them ashamed, it's taking them too seriously.

To actually succeed in keeping Trump in office, they would have had to kill all of Congress (to prevent them re-convening somewhere else), except a handful willing to certify Trump, then prevent a Congress of appointees from meeting (anywhere) and overturning that. For 14 days until inauguration. There are so many ways that plan could go wrong, even killing most of Congress would barely qualify as a "coup". But you can call it an "attempted coup" if you like.

The FBI's definition of Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

Shown: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences of a political nature.

More closely, we can see a violent criminal act that was committed by individuals and groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences of a political nature.

30$ million dollars worth of damage from violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences of a political nature.

Then there's the fact that a group that we can all agree are terrorists, ISIS, approved of the capital terrorist attack.

If it looks like a terrorist attack, damages property like a terrorist attack, and assaults people like a terrorist attack, then it probably is a terrorist attack.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Considering every socialist government that came to power by force turned tyranical, and to storm the capital you have to be extreme, they'd be hanging more than Pence.

Paris' Commune begs to disagree.

Okay, fine, the Paris Commune, which lasted a few weeks, the Rojava's, which lasted six years, and the Zapatistas are arguably successful despite violent origins. We will now ignore the USSR, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Ethiopia, and arguably North Korea as well as the eastern puppet states.