American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[The Rich Port]

There is if you are of the opinion that your nation has done nothing wrong ever, which is something that cannot be said for any nation on Earth.

Except maybe... Tibet? Kickassia? Sealand?

That's not what nationalism is.

Semantics but ok fine, what is nationalism to you then.

[North Washington Republic]

Indicative of a broader, ignorant attitude among many Republicans, and especially the Trump cult of personality faction.

Historical whitewashing, nationalism, euphemistic racism and fascism. See also: the Lost Cause Myth, the 13/50 fallacy, the Trump Prophecy.

Nothing wrong with nationalism, the others listed are vices they have.

I’m personally a civil nationalist myself, but I feel that that ethno-nationalists now control the nationalist narrative, which makes people view all nationalists in a bad light.

[The Reformed American Republic]

That's not what nationalism is.

Semantics but ok fine, what is nationalism to you then.

Not semantics. Being a nationalist does not mean I deny atrocities or historic wrongs; your definition on what it means to be a nationalist is wrong. I'm a cultural nationalist.

[Immortan Khan]

Nothing wrong with nationalism, the others listed are vices they have.

I’m personally a civil nationalist myself, but I feel that that ethno-nationalists now control the nationalist narrative, which makes people view all nationalists in a bad light.

Civic nationalism isn't even a real form of nationalism it's just patriotism that adopts the label to try and attract people.

[North Washington Republic]

I’m personally a civil nationalist myself, but I feel that that ethno-nationalists now control the nationalist narrative, which makes people view all nationalists in a bad light.

Civic nationalism isn't even a real form of nationalism it's just patriotism that adopts the label to try and attract people.

Political science disagrees with you.

[The Rich Port]

Semantics but ok fine, what is nationalism to you then.

Not semantics. Being a nationalist does not mean I deny atrocities or historic wrongs; your definition on what it means to be a nationalist is wrong. I'm a cultural nationalist.

Yeah no it's semantics, it's not my fault nationalists had to invent 50 different kinds of nationalism in order to be less wrong but ultimately are always wrong because nationalism of any kind is always inherently objectively incorrect or subjectively immoral.

I'm patriotic, not nationalistic.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

So yeah, you're gonna have to define what "cultural nationalism" means to you.

[Kowani]

Nothing wrong with nationalism, the others listed are vices they have.

There is if you are of the opinion that your nation has done nothing wrong ever, which is something that cannot be said for any nation on Earth.

Except maybe... Tibet? Kickassia? Sealand?

tibet was notoriously bad at feudalism

[Madrinpoor]

Why does it matter her voice and her smile.

Personality, appearance and charisma counts in all Presidential, Vice Presidential, Governors, Representatives, Senators and Mayors, it is Part of Politics. Candance Owens is a Proud Black African American Lady, Proud Republican Trump Supporter, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizen of The USA With Pride And Honor and she has all these qualities.

It really doesn't matter the appearance, personality, or charisma of a Presidential candidate. It matters the qualifications. If a candidate has spent years in congress, serving America and learning how to be a good leader they are more qualified than a candidate who has spent years on failed businesses and scams, but is more charismatic. It also matters the morals of a candidate, because candidates with strong morals are vastly superior to candidates that are immoral, corrupt, unempathetic, etc.

[North Washington Republic]

Not semantics. Being a nationalist does not mean I deny atrocities or historic wrongs; your definition on what it means to be a nationalist is wrong. I'm a cultural nationalist.

Yeah no it's semantics, it's not my fault nationalists had to invent 50 different kinds of nationalism in order to be less wrong but ultimately are always wrong because nationalism of any kind is always inherently objectively incorrect or subjectively immoral.

I'm patriotic, not nationalistic.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

So yeah, you're gonna have to define what "cultural nationalism" means to you.

Really?

Civic Nationalism is defined as
Civic nationalism, also known as liberal nationalism, is a form of nationalism identified by political philosophers who believe in an inclusive form of nationalism that adheres to traditional liberal values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Not semantics. Being a nationalist does not mean I deny atrocities or historic wrongs; your definition on what it means to be a nationalist is wrong. I'm a cultural nationalist.

Yeah no it's semantics, it's not my fault nationalists had to invent 50 different kinds of nationalism in order to be less wrong but ultimately are always wrong because nationalism of any kind is always inherently objectively incorrect or subjectively immoral.

I'm patriotic, not nationalistic.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

So yeah, you're gonna have to define what "cultural nationalism" means to you.

I am a strong believer in maintaining a unified culture as the nation depends on it, and yes, I do look out for my nation first, and I have no shame about that. You not bothering to understand various types of nationalism is not my problem, and I don't care how immoral you communists view it as.

[North Washington Republic]

Yeah no it's semantics, it's not my fault nationalists had to invent 50 different kinds of nationalism in order to be less wrong but ultimately are always wrong because nationalism of any kind is always inherently objectively incorrect or subjectively immoral.

I'm patriotic, not nationalistic.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

So yeah, you're gonna have to define what "cultural nationalism" means to you.

I am a strong believer in maintaining a unified culture as the nation depends on it, and yes, I do look out for my nation first, and I have no shame about that. You not bothering to understand various types of nationalism is not my problem, and I don't care how immoral you communists view it as.

Just asking, do you consider skin color when defending who is an American? I don’t. I believe a person of any skin color can be culturally American.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I am a strong believer in maintaining a unified culture as the nation depends on it, and yes, I do look out for my nation first, and I have no shame about that. You not bothering to understand various types of nationalism is not my problem, and I don't care how immoral you communists view it as.

Just asking, do you consider skin color when defending who is an American? I don’t. I believe a person of any skin color can be culturally American.

No, that's ethnic nationalism. I'm not an ethnic nationalist.

[Immortan Khan]

Civic nationalism isn't even a real form of nationalism it's just patriotism that adopts the label to try and attract people.

Political science disagrees with you.

Not everyone in the field of politics science or has been educated in political science agrees that it is a legitimate form of nationalism. I'm not even sure why you'd want to chain yourself to nationalism anyway, it's one of the most putrid ideologies to emerge in modern history and intrinsically linked to genocide.

[Immortan Khan]

Yeah no it's semantics, it's not my fault nationalists had to invent 50 different kinds of nationalism in order to be less wrong but ultimately are always wrong because nationalism of any kind is always inherently objectively incorrect or subjectively immoral.

I'm patriotic, not nationalistic.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

So yeah, you're gonna have to define what "cultural nationalism" means to you.

I am a strong believer in maintaining a unified culture as the nation depends on it, and yes, I do look out for my nation first, and I have no shame about that. You not bothering to understand various types of nationalism is not my problem, and I don't care how immoral you communists view it as.

What happens to the minority groups not part of the national culture.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Political science disagrees with you.

Not everyone in the field of politics science or has been educated in political science agrees that it is a legitimate form of nationalism. I'm not even sure why you'd want to chain yourself to nationalism anyway, it's one of the most putrid ideologies to emerge in modern history and intrinsically linked to genocide.

If you incorrectly assume all forms of nationalism are on par with Nazism.

[Nakena]

Not semantics. Being a nationalist does not mean I deny atrocities or historic wrongs; your definition on what it means to be a nationalist is wrong. I'm a cultural nationalist.

Yeah no it's semantics, it's not my fault nationalists had to invent 50 different kinds of nationalism in order to be less wrong but ultimately are always wrong because nationalism of any kind is always inherently objectively incorrect or subjectively immoral.

I'm patriotic, not nationalistic.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

So yeah, you're gonna have to define what "cultural nationalism" means to you.

It depends on the definition of nationalism. I wrote recently something on that topic, but it doesnt necessarily means to the deteriment to other, but focus on the nation and its people over abstract principles and ideologies such as capitalism, marxism or neoliberalism.

[Immortan Khan]

Just asking, do you consider skin color when defending who is an American? I don’t. I believe a person of any skin color can be culturally American.

No, that's ethnic nationalism. I'm not an ethnic nationalist.

Cultural nationalism is just watered down ethnic nationalism which is why cultural nationalists don't form their own groups and usually spawn as the moderate faction of more radical ethnic nationalist movements. Eg the alt-lite emerging from the alt-right.

[Nakena]

No, that's ethnic nationalism. I'm not an ethnic nationalist.

Cultural nationalism is just watered down ethnic nationalism which is why cultural nationalists don't form their own groups and usually spawn as the moderate faction of more radical ethnic nationalist movements. Eg the alt-lite emerging from the alt-right.

+1

Most people even dont know the difference between alt-right and alt-lite.

[The Reformed American Republic]

No, that's ethnic nationalism. I'm not an ethnic nationalist.

Cultural nationalism is just watered down ethnic nationalism which is why cultural nationalists don't form their own groups and usually spawn as the moderate faction of more radical ethnic nationalist movements. Eg the alt-lite emerging from the alt-right.

No, it is not. Nor do I favor exterminating minority groups.

What even is your ideology anyway, other than "shitposting?"

[Madrinpoor]

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

[Immortan Khan]

Not everyone in the field of politics science or has been educated in political science agrees that it is a legitimate form of nationalism. I'm not even sure why you'd want to chain yourself to nationalism anyway, it's one of the most putrid ideologies to emerge in modern history and intrinsically linked to genocide.

If you incorrectly assume all forms of nationalism are on par with Nazism.

Nationalism from its beginnings has placed and emphasis on unity within the nation state and keeping out non-nation influences. Numerous genocides occurred to create nation-states even if they were largely non-violent or otherwise didn't sink to the depths that the Nazis did. Examples include the French eradication of non-French languages and cultures, Canadian and American residential schools, Germanisation under Prussia and later the German Empire, and so on.

[North Washington Republic]

No, that's ethnic nationalism. I'm not an ethnic nationalist.

Cultural nationalism is just watered down ethnic nationalism which is why cultural nationalists don't form their own groups and usually spawn as the moderate faction of more radical ethnic nationalist movements. Eg the alt-lite emerging from the alt-right.

Hmm, not really. And I think that the reason why we see some those that would consider themselves civic nationalists and/or cultural nationalists regressing to ethno-nationalism is because unfortunately white nationalists are masters at recruitment. They are able to very successfully play on the fears on white moderates or center-right people, and convinces them that their livelihoods or even their lives are threaten by racial equality.

[Great Algerstonia]

Political science disagrees with you.

Not everyone in the field of politics science or has been educated in political science agrees that it is a legitimate form of nationalism. I'm not even sure why you'd want to chain yourself to nationalism anyway, it's one of the most putrid ideologies to emerge in modern history and intrinsically linked to genocide.

It really isn't. The Viet Minh, American Founding Fathers, Nazis, and the Russian White Army were all very different, yet have one trait: nationalism. Nationalism is valuing and having a deep connection with your peoples and culture.

[Immortan Khan]

Cultural nationalism is just watered down ethnic nationalism which is why cultural nationalists don't form their own groups and usually spawn as the moderate faction of more radical ethnic nationalist movements. Eg the alt-lite emerging from the alt-right.

No, it is not. Nor do I favor exterminating minority groups.

What even is your ideology anyway, other than "shitposting?"

You said you favor national unity - what happens to the minority groups within the nation-state that are outside the national culture and wish to remain so.

[The Reformed American Republic]

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

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I should post that "everyone I don't like is Hitler" image.