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At least hes qualified for the position. That's the most important thing.

Also how is he a "director of color"?

In the photo he's white?

apparently, he's third-generation Mexican American

Born and raised in San Antonio and now based in Austin, Texas, Santos would bring the perspective of a self-described "third generation native Mexican American" to the bureau as it continues to work through how to gather accurate information about the country's residents amid shifting demographics. "When I fill out the census form, I check the Latino-Hispanic-Mexican-American box," Santos said in a 2019 interview with North Texas member station KERA. "And when it comes to race, I mark 'other' and insert 'mestizo' because that's how I feel about race and ethnicity."
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:The attempt by the democrats to get back to normal is clearly coming apart at the seams. I ask, is there any man out there who still legitimately believes society hasn't changed for real?

Was your conception of 'normal' a period with no scandal and an administration not making any bad or disagreeable decisions?

When was that normal?
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:The attempt by the democrats to get back to normal is clearly coming apart at the seams. I ask, is there any man out there who still legitimately believes society hasn't changed for real?

Was your conception of 'normal' a period with no scandal and an administration not making any bad or disagreeable decisions?

When was that normal?


Normal was when things like White supremacy were fringe ideologies and not given a major open platform by a political party.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:46 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Was your conception of 'normal' a period with no scandal and an administration not making any bad or disagreeable decisions?

When was that normal?


Normal was when things like White supremacy were fringe ideologies and not given a major open platform by a political party.

Oh man, the Republicans have been courting the white supremacist vote for decades, man. That is normal. See the Southern Strategy, "Welfare Queens", the War on Drugs...the only real difference is that it's usually easier to get the 'opposing' party to play along.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Senkaku » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:49 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:The attempt by the democrats to get back to normal is clearly coming apart at the seams. I ask, is there any man out there who still legitimately believes society hasn't changed for real?

Was your conception of 'normal' a period with no scandal and an administration not making any bad or disagreeable decisions?

When was that normal?

If Rojava’s roughly my age, I’m going to guess early 2000s, before any political news really consciously registered in his young mind, so he at least wasn’t aware of the scandals and bad/disagreeable decisions?

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Was your conception of 'normal' a period with no scandal and an administration not making any bad or disagreeable decisions?

When was that normal?


Normal was when things like White supremacy were fringe ideologies and not given a major open platform by a political party.

...when was that?
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Unfortunate. It would be good to allow businesses and corporations to implement these so they could self identity as an enemy of the people who we could collectively refuse to propagate and empower. Banning them will allow them to remain under our radar for longer. Oh well.
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Arkansas continues to speedrun being terrible
Arkansas legislators on Tuesday approved changes to the state’s election laws, including restrictions outside polling places and on absentee ballots, that opponents said would disproportionately harm voters of color in the state.

The measures advanced by the majority-Republican Legislature come as an historic number of voting restrictions have been proposed across the country, fueled by former President Donald Trump’s unfounded claims of election fraud in the 2020 election. A bill approved by the House on a 74-23 vote prohibits someone being within 100 feet of the primary exterior entrance of a polling site while voting is taking place unless they’re entering or leaving “for lawful purposes.” The bill now heads to Republican Asa Hutchinson’s desk.

A sponsor of the bill said it was in response to complaints from voters about groups handing out water, sandwiches or other items outside polling sites. Existing law prohibits candidates from campaigning within that area.

“This is about protecting our vote and not allowing people to come and congregate and hang out around the door where nobody’s supposed to be hanging out,” Republican Rep. Karilyn Brown said before the vote.

But opponents said the restriction would go well beyond addressing electioneering by banning people without any connection to a campaign from offering water to voters who are waiting outside polling places.

“I want you to think very carefully about what our state looks like when we pass legislation that creates barriers, however small, to keep people from the polls in whatever way,” Democratic Rep. Vivian Flowers said.

Another bill lawmakers sent the governor will require signatures on absentee ballots to be compared and match the signatures on voters’ original registration certificates.

The measure, which the Senate approved on a 27-8 vote, also would ban the distribution of unsolicited absentee ballot applications to voters by designated election officials and would make the possession of more than four absentee ballots by one person a rebuttable presumption of intent to defraud.

Hutchinson earlier this year enacted a change to the state’s voter ID law that removed the ability for people without identification to cast a ballot if they sign a sworn statement.


And it just keeps coming
Legislators also moved forward on Senate Bill 643, which moves up the due date to return absentee ballots to the Friday before election day and require them to be delivered in-person, rather than a dropbox, and Senate Bill 644, which would allow for a state takeover of local election authorities.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:31 pm

https://turnto10.com/news/local/matos-f ... ate-senate

Sabina Matos has been confirmed by the Rhode Island Senate as the states next Lieutenant Governor. She is the first woman of color to serve in statewide office in Rhode Island.

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Postby Fedel » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://turnto10.com/news/local/matos-faces-confirmation-vote-in-state-senate

Sabina Matos has been confirmed by the Rhode Island Senate as the states next Lieutenant Governor.


Cool.

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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:33 pm

I like how I typed in "anti democratic parties" and the first thing I got was an article about Republicans: The Republican revolt against democracy, explained in 13 charts. It's more clear now that the country is being divided not by demographics, but more so by Democratic and anti-Democratic views. We clearly know which parties stand where. While both parties have increasingly show disdain and believe each other is a threat, Republicans hold these views more likely, and in larger quantities.

Unfortunately, I cannot post all the charts given they're too big picture wise but I'll summarize them:

1) Trump’s supporters have embraced anti-democratic ideas: this includes universal support of "The Big Lie" and voting shouldn't be easier.

2) Republicans are embracing violence: that number is 39%, which, while a minority, is over twice the size among Democrats (17%).

3) Republicans see Democrats as something worse than mere rivals: 57% of Republicans see Democrats as enemies compared to 43% as political opponents. Democrats, on the other hand, are flipped: 41% believe Republicans are enemies compared to 59% as political opponents.

4) Republicans dislike compromise: this has remained in the mid to high 40s though Democrats recently have fallen to this area as well.

5) The Republican Party is a global outlier — and not in a good way: this measures the GOP on two axes. The extent to which they are committed to basic democratic principles and their commitment to protecting rights for ethnic minorities. They found the GOP is a outlier compared to other Conservative Parties and are eerily similar to the likes of Turmey's AKP and Poland's PiS.

6) The Republican turn against democracy begins with race: with changing Demographics, one that is threatening "white power", the GOP has had no qualms using revised versions of Jim Crow in order to protect their power. The higher a voter scores on the ethnic antagonism scale, the more likely they are to support anti-democratic ideas: “The strongest predictor by far of these antidemocratic attitudes is ethnic antagonism.”

7) Partisanship causes Republicans to justify anti-democratic behavior: extreme partisanship causes a decline in democratic norms, which the GOP has utilized more often than Democrats.

8. The crucial impact of the right-wing media: Republicans in districts with Fox grew considerably more likely to vote with the party as it got closer to election time, whereas Republicans without Fox actually grew less likely to do so. The expansion of Fox News, in short, seemingly served a disciplining function: making Republican members of Congress more afraid of the consequences of breaking with the party come election time and thus less inclined to engage in bipartisan legislative efforts.

9) Republicans have an unpopular policy agenda: pretty straight forward. The GOP's agenda is unpopular but what keeps them in power (besides the gerrymandering) is their emphasis on culture war and anti-Democratic identity politics, aka, plutocratic populism. This is only strengthened by the Electoral College and the rural/urban divide in States.

10) Some of the most consequential Republican attacks on democracy happen at the state level: this happened after the 2010 sweep by Republicans. That was a census year too and it allowed them to re-draw the maps heavily in their favor, especially in States where Democrats controlled the State for years.

11) The national GOP has broken government: the filibuster has been more extensively used by both sides but the GOP have used it more. Why? It was an expression by the GOP and its voting base to show that Democrats can never be legitimate leaders, even if elected, and thus do not deserve to wield power (this ties back into the partisanship they wage in).

12) Republicans didn’t care when Trump abused his power: only about 8-15% of Republicans supported Trump's two impeachments, and many more ignored his abuses of power, of which, Democrats or any other Republican would not be able to get away with.

13) Trump and Trumpism could return in 2024: no surprises here. Over 50% of GOP voters want Trump to be the 2024 nominee, the very man that exposed and changed the GOP.
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https://newschannel9.com/news/local/tim ... ng-numbers

In Chattanooga mayoral election Tim Kelly has defeated Kim White with about 60 percent of the vote holding the mayors chair for Democrats in Tennessee’s fourth largest city.

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Feel like shit, just want Steve Bullock back.


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Postby Picairn » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Was your conception of 'normal' a period with no scandal and an administration not making any bad or disagreeable decisions?

When was that normal?

If you are politically hyper-aware then no period has ever been normal.

1950s: Korean War, Red Scare, McCarthyism, Suez Crisis, Brown v. Board of Education.

1960s: Cuban Missile Crisis, Civil Rights Movement, Riots, Vietnam War protests, MLK and Bobby Kennedy assassinated, Tet Offensive, Chicago DNC.

1970s: Watergate, Stagflation, Oil Crises, End of Vietnam War, Iran hostage crisis.

1980s: War on Drugs, Grenada, Iran-Contra scandal, Beirut bombing, Evil Empire and resurgence of the Cold War, Autumn of Nations (1989 Revolution), Berlin Wall fell.

1990s: Gulf War, USSR collapse, Oklahoma City bombing, 1994 Republican Revolution, 1995-1996 government shutdowns, impeachment of Bill Clinton, the early 90s crime wave, 1992 LA riots, O. J. Simpson trial.

2000s: A shitshow. Bush v. Gore, September 11 attacks, the Enron scandal, invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, 2008 Recession, Bush bailouts of banks, the stimulus, the great healthcare debate and "death panels".

2010s: Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party Movement, the absolute Republican blowout of 2010, Citizens United, EU debt crisis, Arab Spring, Syrian Civil War and the 2014 refugee wave, Obergefell v. Hodges, Osama bin Laden dead, the rise of ISIS, intervention in Libya, Brexit, Edward Snowden and WikiLeaks, the Clinton email scandal, Trump winning the election, US-China trade wars, resurgence of populist nationalism and white supremacy, first impeachment of Trump, etc.

2020s: I quit.

Feels like there's a We didn't start the fire vibe here...
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Very Interesting Article from a different perspective, a few excerpts: Source Washington Reuters, The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said on Tuesday it strongly opposes a Democratic-backed bill that is aimed at rewriting U.S. voting law, saying it would punish corporations and associations that engage in political advocacy.


A Republican election official just got censured for not buying into the Big Lie
Trump says New York tax law does not apply to former presidents

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said on Tuesday it strongly opposes a Democratic-backed bill that is aimed at rewriting U.S. voting law, saying it would punish corporations and associations that engage in political advocacy.

a large building: FILE PHOTO: The sun sets behind the U.S. Capitol dome in Washington© Reuters/JAMES LAWLER DUGGAN FILE PHOTO: The sun sets behind the U.S. Capitol dome in Washington
Democrats say the bill, which updates voting procedures and requires states to turn over the redrawing of congressional district lines to independent commissions, is needed to overcome Republican efforts to make voting across the country harder.


Many Republican-controlled state legislatures are exploring steps that voting-rights advocates say would reduce turnout after record-setting participation in the November 2020 general election.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said it wants more people brought into the political process but that the bill would have "precisely the opposite effect – pushing certain voices, representing large segments of the electorate and U.S. economy, out of the political process altogether."

The Chamber, in a letter to senators, said the legislation would "regulate and ultimately silence Americans who choose to petition their government or participate in the political process through the collective action of an association or corporation."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:39 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Very Interesting Article from a different perspective, a few excerpts: Source Washington Reuters, The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said on Tuesday it strongly opposes a Democratic-backed bill that is aimed at rewriting U.S. voting law, saying it would punish corporations and associations that engage in political advocacy.


A Republican election official just got censured for not buying into the Big Lie
Trump says New York tax law does not apply to former presidents

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said on Tuesday it strongly opposes a Democratic-backed bill that is aimed at rewriting U.S. voting law, saying it would punish corporations and associations that engage in political advocacy.

a large building: FILE PHOTO: The sun sets behind the U.S. Capitol dome in Washington© Reuters/JAMES LAWLER DUGGAN FILE PHOTO: The sun sets behind the U.S. Capitol dome in Washington
Democrats say the bill, which updates voting procedures and requires states to turn over the redrawing of congressional district lines to independent commissions, is needed to overcome Republican efforts to make voting across the country harder.


Many Republican-controlled state legislatures are exploring steps that voting-rights advocates say would reduce turnout after record-setting participation in the November 2020 general election.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said it wants more people brought into the political process but that the bill would have "precisely the opposite effect – pushing certain voices, representing large segments of the electorate and U.S. economy, out of the political process altogether."

The Chamber, in a letter to senators, said the legislation would "regulate and ultimately silence Americans who choose to petition their government or participate in the political process through the collective action of an association or corporation."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp


Worth noting that the US Chamber of Commerce isn't going to be as non-partisan as your town or small city's chamber of commerce. The flagship lobbying group referenced here is the largest lobbying group in the US, and they spend most of their money and efforts on Republicans, very sparingly conceding anything to the Dems.

In other words, an inherently political organization opposes the party they try to defeat. Meh.

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At least hes qualified for the position. That's the most important thing.

Also how is he a "director of color"?

In the photo he's white?


Hes a hispanic man. Somehow that automatically makes you not white in America.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:53 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Very Interesting Article from a different perspective, a few excerpts: Source Washington Reuters, The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said on Tuesday it strongly opposes a Democratic-backed bill that is aimed at rewriting U.S. voting law, saying it would punish corporations and associations that engage in political advocacy.


A Republican election official just got censured for not buying into the Big Lie
Trump says New York tax law does not apply to former presidents

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said on Tuesday it strongly opposes a Democratic-backed bill that is aimed at rewriting U.S. voting law, saying it would punish corporations and associations that engage in political advocacy.

a large building: FILE PHOTO: The sun sets behind the U.S. Capitol dome in Washington© Reuters/JAMES LAWLER DUGGAN FILE PHOTO: The sun sets behind the U.S. Capitol dome in Washington
Democrats say the bill, which updates voting procedures and requires states to turn over the redrawing of congressional district lines to independent commissions, is needed to overcome Republican efforts to make voting across the country harder.


Many Republican-controlled state legislatures are exploring steps that voting-rights advocates say would reduce turnout after record-setting participation in the November 2020 general election.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said it wants more people brought into the political process but that the bill would have "precisely the opposite effect – pushing certain voices, representing large segments of the electorate and U.S. economy, out of the political process altogether."

The Chamber, in a letter to senators, said the legislation would "regulate and ultimately silence Americans who choose to petition their government or participate in the political process through the collective action of an association or corporation."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp


Worth noting that the US Chamber of Commerce isn't going to be as non-partisan as your town or small city's chamber of commerce. The flagship lobbying group referenced here is the largest lobbying group in the US, and they spend most of their money and efforts on Republicans, very sparingly conceding anything to the Dems.

In other words, an inherently political organization opposes the party they try to defeat. Meh.

lol, the Democrats aren't non partisan either. Who agrees and who disagrees? I agree.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
National Capitalist United States wrote:Also how is he a "director of color"?

In the photo he's white?


Hes a hispanic man. Somehow that automatically makes you not white in America.

This is actually an issue Mexico caused.

Up until the 1970's-80's or so, Hispanic/Latino wasn't seen as a race in America, it was simply a cultural background. However, guess what happened around that time? The Mexican Immigration Boom!

But funnily enough, that's not what caused the divide. You see, Mexico has up until recently (Like, 2017): A. Didn't see race/ethnicity, and B. Believed that Mexicans and Latinos in general, were their own race. (Yes, it is contradictory, and there's a reason for that). Basically, Mexico didn't officially believe in race (Which is fine, doesn't exist biologically in humans) while simultaneously going on about how Mexican/Latino is it's own sperate race from all the others (For nationalistic reasons). This caused a lot of Americans to start adopting the Mexican nationalistic ideal of Latinos being seperate from white/black/Asian people. This pissed off... all of the Native Americans who still live in Mexico and practice their ancestors cultures and beliefs, because they're culture were no longer considered Mayan or Aztec or theirs, they were considered Mexican. This lead them to lobby the Mexican government to let go of this nationalist belief and they finally did so in 2017, but by then the damage was done.

Keep in mind though, that no other Latin/Hispanic country thinks this way, none of them. Hell, a lot them are super racist, try telling a proud white Argentinian they're not white and see what that gets you. The reason Mexico made this belief in the first place was to curb American and European influence in the country (Something Mexico has always had an issue with).

This has lead to a lot of interesting issues too. For example, The First Interracial Kiss on TV in America is now under debate. It used to be widely accepted that this happened between Lloyd Bridges and Nobu McCarthy (Nee Atsumi) in the show Sea Hunt. However, I Love Lucy co-starred a Cuban American man as Lucy's husband, Desi Arnaz playing Ricky Ricardo (Oh yeah, Lucy's full name in the show Lucy Ricardo, and they were married IRL as well). Now back then this wasn't an issue, Desi was seen as a white Hispanic man, however, under this new Mexican influenced belief that Hispanic/Latino is a different race, people are now saying they had the first interracial kiss in American TV history.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:04 pm

Zurkerx wrote:I like how I typed in "anti democratic parties" and the first thing I got was an article about Republicans: The Republican revolt against democracy, explained in 13 charts. It's more clear now that the country is being divided not by demographics, but more so by Democratic and anti-Democratic views. We clearly know which parties stand where. While both parties have increasingly show disdain and believe each other is a threat, Republicans hold these views more likely, and in larger quantities.

Unfortunately, I cannot post all the charts given they're too big picture wise but I'll summarize them:

1) Trump’s supporters have embraced anti-democratic ideas: this includes universal support of "The Big Lie" and voting shouldn't be easier.

2) Republicans are embracing violence: that number is 39%, which, while a minority, is over twice the size among Democrats (17%).

3) Republicans see Democrats as something worse than mere rivals: 57% of Republicans see Democrats as enemies compared to 43% as political opponents. Democrats, on the other hand, are flipped: 41% believe Republicans are enemies compared to 59% as political opponents.

4) Republicans dislike compromise: this has remained in the mid to high 40s though Democrats recently have fallen to this area as well.

5) The Republican Party is a global outlier — and not in a good way: this measures the GOP on two axes. The extent to which they are committed to basic democratic principles and their commitment to protecting rights for ethnic minorities. They found the GOP is a outlier compared to other Conservative Parties and are eerily similar to the likes of Turmey's AKP and Poland's PiS.

6) The Republican turn against democracy begins with race: with changing Demographics, one that is threatening "white power", the GOP has had no qualms using revised versions of Jim Crow in order to protect their power. The higher a voter scores on the ethnic antagonism scale, the more likely they are to support anti-democratic ideas: “The strongest predictor by far of these antidemocratic attitudes is ethnic antagonism.”

7) Partisanship causes Republicans to justify anti-democratic behavior: extreme partisanship causes a decline in democratic norms, which the GOP has utilized more often than Democrats.

8. The crucial impact of the right-wing media: Republicans in districts with Fox grew considerably more likely to vote with the party as it got closer to election time, whereas Republicans without Fox actually grew less likely to do so. The expansion of Fox News, in short, seemingly served a disciplining function: making Republican members of Congress more afraid of the consequences of breaking with the party come election time and thus less inclined to engage in bipartisan legislative efforts.

9) Republicans have an unpopular policy agenda: pretty straight forward. The GOP's agenda is unpopular but what keeps them in power (besides the gerrymandering) is their emphasis on culture war and anti-Democratic identity politics, aka, plutocratic populism. This is only strengthened by the Electoral College and the rural/urban divide in States.

10) Some of the most consequential Republican attacks on democracy happen at the state level: this happened after the 2010 sweep by Republicans. That was a census year too and it allowed them to re-draw the maps heavily in their favor, especially in States where Democrats controlled the State for years.

11) The national GOP has broken government: the filibuster has been more extensively used by both sides but the GOP have used it more. Why? It was an expression by the GOP and its voting base to show that Democrats can never be legitimate leaders, even if elected, and thus do not deserve to wield power (this ties back into the partisanship they wage in).

12) Republicans didn’t care when Trump abused his power: only about 8-15% of Republicans supported Trump's two impeachments, and many more ignored his abuses of power, of which, Democrats or any other Republican would not be able to get away with.

13) Trump and Trumpism could return in 2024: no surprises here. Over 50% of GOP voters want Trump to be the 2024 nominee, the very man that exposed and changed the GOP.


This is bad for the health of our Republic. Every Democratic state needs at least one sane center-right party and one sane center-left party. Even former speaker Boehner says the Republican Party has gone further right than the Democrats have, and that is saying something.

I know the hard left would LOVE to see the GOP go further right so they can gain even further inference in the Democratic Party.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:05 pm

New haven america wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Hes a hispanic man. Somehow that automatically makes you not white in America.

This is actually an issue Mexico caused.

Up until the 1960's-80's or so, Hispanic/Latino wasn't seen as a race in America, it was simply a cultural background. However, guess what happened around that them, The Mexican Immigration Boom!

But funnily enough, that's not what caused the divide. You see, Mexico has up until recently (Like, 2017): A. Didn't see race/ethnicity, and B. Believed that Mexicans and Latinos in general, were their own race. (Yes, it is contradictory, and there's a reason for that). Basically, Mexico didn't officially believe in race (Which is fine, doesn't doesn't exist) while simultaneously going on about how Mexican/Latino is it's own sperate race from all the others (For nationalistic reasons). This caused a lot of Americans to start adopting the Mexican nationalistic ideal of Latinos being seperate from white/black/Asian people. This pissed off... all of the Native Americans who still live in Mexico and practice their ancestors cultures and beliefs, because they're culture was no longer considered Mayan or Aztec, they were considered Mexican. This lead them to lobby the Mexican government to let go of this nationalist belief and they finally did so in 2017, but by then the damage was done.

Keep in mind though, that no other Latin/Hispanic country thinks this way, none of them. Hell, a lot them are super racist, try telling a proud white Argentinian they're not white and see what that gets you.

This has lead to a lot of interesting issues too. For example, The First Interracial Kiss on TV in America is now under debate. It used to be widely accepted that this happened between Lloyd Bridges and Nobu McCarthy (Nee Atsumi) in the show Sea Hunt. However, I Love Lucy co-starred a Cuban American man as Lucy's husband, Desi Arnaz playing Ricky Ricardo (Oh yeah, Lucy's full name in the show Lucy Ricardo, and they were married IRL as well). Now back then this wasn't an issue, Desi was seen as a white Hispanic man, however, under this new belief that Hispanic/Latino is a different race, people are now saying they had the first interracial kiss in American TV history.

I’d like to point out how extremely dumb that whole argument is about the first interracial kiss.

I didn’t even know about it before this post, and I’m already annoyed.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:09 pm

Zurkerx wrote:I like how I typed in "anti democratic parties" and the first thing I got was an article about Republicans: The Republican revolt against democracy, explained in 13 charts. It's more clear now that the country is being divided not by demographics, but more so by Democratic and anti-Democratic views. We clearly know which parties stand where. While both parties have increasingly show disdain and believe each other is a threat, Republicans hold these views more likely, and in larger quantities.

Unfortunately, I cannot post all the charts given they're too big picture wise but I'll summarize them:

1) Trump’s supporters have embraced anti-democratic ideas: this includes universal support of "The Big Lie" and voting shouldn't be easier.

2) Republicans are embracing violence: that number is 39%, which, while a minority, is over twice the size among Democrats (17%).

3) Republicans see Democrats as something worse than mere rivals: 57% of Republicans see Democrats as enemies compared to 43% as political opponents. Democrats, on the other hand, are flipped: 41% believe Republicans are enemies compared to 59% as political opponents.

4) Republicans dislike compromise: this has remained in the mid to high 40s though Democrats recently have fallen to this area as well.

5) The Republican Party is a global outlier — and not in a good way: this measures the GOP on two axes. The extent to which they are committed to basic democratic principles and their commitment to protecting rights for ethnic minorities. They found the GOP is a outlier compared to other Conservative Parties and are eerily similar to the likes of Turmey's AKP and Poland's PiS.

6) The Republican turn against democracy begins with race: with changing Demographics, one that is threatening "white power", the GOP has had no qualms using revised versions of Jim Crow in order to protect their power. The higher a voter scores on the ethnic antagonism scale, the more likely they are to support anti-democratic ideas: “The strongest predictor by far of these antidemocratic attitudes is ethnic antagonism.”

7) Partisanship causes Republicans to justify anti-democratic behavior: extreme partisanship causes a decline in democratic norms, which the GOP has utilized more often than Democrats.

8. The crucial impact of the right-wing media: Republicans in districts with Fox grew considerably more likely to vote with the party as it got closer to election time, whereas Republicans without Fox actually grew less likely to do so. The expansion of Fox News, in short, seemingly served a disciplining function: making Republican members of Congress more afraid of the consequences of breaking with the party come election time and thus less inclined to engage in bipartisan legislative efforts.

9) Republicans have an unpopular policy agenda: pretty straight forward. The GOP's agenda is unpopular but what keeps them in power (besides the gerrymandering) is their emphasis on culture war and anti-Democratic identity politics, aka, plutocratic populism. This is only strengthened by the Electoral College and the rural/urban divide in States.

10) Some of the most consequential Republican attacks on democracy happen at the state level: this happened after the 2010 sweep by Republicans. That was a census year too and it allowed them to re-draw the maps heavily in their favor, especially in States where Democrats controlled the State for years.

11) The national GOP has broken government: the filibuster has been more extensively used by both sides but the GOP have used it more. Why? It was an expression by the GOP and its voting base to show that Democrats can never be legitimate leaders, even if elected, and thus do not deserve to wield power (this ties back into the partisanship they wage in).

12) Republicans didn’t care when Trump abused his power: only about 8-15% of Republicans supported Trump's two impeachments, and many more ignored his abuses of power, of which, Democrats or any other Republican would not be able to get away with.

13) Trump and Trumpism could return in 2024: no surprises here. Over 50% of GOP voters want Trump to be the 2024 nominee, the very man that exposed and changed the GOP.

I think this article which is anti Trump, anti Republican is very biased. Republicans are Partisan and the Democrats are Partisan too. The Republicans are not Political Saints and the Democrats are not Political Saints too. Who Agrees and Who Disagrees? I Agree GMS.

I want the Link to this article for my Posts Records:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -13-charts
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:11 pm

New haven america wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Hes a hispanic man. Somehow that automatically makes you not white in America.

This is actually an issue Mexico caused.

Up until the 1960's-80's or so, Hispanic/Latino wasn't seen as a race in America, it was simply a cultural background. However, guess what happened around that time? The Mexican Immigration Boom!

But funnily enough, that's not what caused the divide. You see, Mexico has up until recently (Like, 2017): A. Didn't see race/ethnicity, and B. Believed that Mexicans and Latinos in general, were their own race. (Yes, it is contradictory, and there's a reason for that). Basically, Mexico didn't officially believe in race (Which is fine, doesn't exist biologically in humans) while simultaneously going on about how Mexican/Latino is it's own sperate race from all the others (For nationalistic reasons). This caused a lot of Americans to start adopting the Mexican nationalistic ideal of Latinos being seperate from white/black/Asian people. This pissed off... all of the Native Americans who still live in Mexico and practice their ancestors cultures and beliefs, because they're culture were no longer considered Mayan or Aztec or theirs, they were considered Mexican. This lead them to lobby the Mexican government to let go of this nationalist belief and they finally did so in 2017, but by then the damage was done.

Keep in mind though, that no other Latin/Hispanic country thinks this way, none of them. Hell, a lot them are super racist, try telling a proud white Argentinian they're not white and see what that gets you.

This has lead to a lot of interesting issues too. For example, The First Interracial Kiss on TV in America is now under debate. It used to be widely accepted that this happened between Lloyd Bridges and Nobu McCarthy (Nee Atsumi) in the show Sea Hunt. However, I Love Lucy co-starred a Cuban American man as Lucy's husband, Desi Arnaz playing Ricky Ricardo (Oh yeah, Lucy's full name in the show Lucy Ricardo, and they were married IRL as well). Now back then this wasn't an issue, Desi was seen as a white Hispanic man, however, under this new Mexican influenced belief that Hispanic/Latino is a different race, people are now saying they had the first interracial kiss in American TV history.


This reminds me of a story that my grandfather told me. His mother, who was an immigrant from Mexico and was a dark skinned Mestizo. When she want down South, during the Jim Crow days, ((I believe)) she went to a restaurant one day and sat down. What she didn’t notice is that she sat down in the segregated section for Black people. She was surprised that she was asked to sit in the white section.

Most Mexicans in Mexico consider themselves Mestizos.
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Postby The Grand Leader » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:12 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:I like how I typed in "anti democratic parties" and the first thing I got was an article about Republicans: The Republican revolt against democracy, explained in 13 charts. It's more clear now that the country is being divided not by demographics, but more so by Democratic and anti-Democratic views. We clearly know which parties stand where. While both parties have increasingly show disdain and believe each other is a threat, Republicans hold these views more likely, and in larger quantities.

Unfortunately, I cannot post all the charts given they're too big picture wise but I'll summarize them:

1) Trump’s supporters have embraced anti-democratic ideas: this includes universal support of "The Big Lie" and voting shouldn't be easier.

2) Republicans are embracing violence: that number is 39%, which, while a minority, is over twice the size among Democrats (17%).

3) Republicans see Democrats as something worse than mere rivals: 57% of Republicans see Democrats as enemies compared to 43% as political opponents. Democrats, on the other hand, are flipped: 41% believe Republicans are enemies compared to 59% as political opponents.

4) Republicans dislike compromise: this has remained in the mid to high 40s though Democrats recently have fallen to this area as well.

5) The Republican Party is a global outlier — and not in a good way: this measures the GOP on two axes. The extent to which they are committed to basic democratic principles and their commitment to protecting rights for ethnic minorities. They found the GOP is a outlier compared to other Conservative Parties and are eerily similar to the likes of Turmey's AKP and Poland's PiS.

6) The Republican turn against democracy begins with race: with changing Demographics, one that is threatening "white power", the GOP has had no qualms using revised versions of Jim Crow in order to protect their power. The higher a voter scores on the ethnic antagonism scale, the more likely they are to support anti-democratic ideas: “The strongest predictor by far of these antidemocratic attitudes is ethnic antagonism.”

7) Partisanship causes Republicans to justify anti-democratic behavior: extreme partisanship causes a decline in democratic norms, which the GOP has utilized more often than Democrats.

8. The crucial impact of the right-wing media: Republicans in districts with Fox grew considerably more likely to vote with the party as it got closer to election time, whereas Republicans without Fox actually grew less likely to do so. The expansion of Fox News, in short, seemingly served a disciplining function: making Republican members of Congress more afraid of the consequences of breaking with the party come election time and thus less inclined to engage in bipartisan legislative efforts.

9) Republicans have an unpopular policy agenda: pretty straight forward. The GOP's agenda is unpopular but what keeps them in power (besides the gerrymandering) is their emphasis on culture war and anti-Democratic identity politics, aka, plutocratic populism. This is only strengthened by the Electoral College and the rural/urban divide in States.

10) Some of the most consequential Republican attacks on democracy happen at the state level: this happened after the 2010 sweep by Republicans. That was a census year too and it allowed them to re-draw the maps heavily in their favor, especially in States where Democrats controlled the State for years.

11) The national GOP has broken government: the filibuster has been more extensively used by both sides but the GOP have used it more. Why? It was an expression by the GOP and its voting base to show that Democrats can never be legitimate leaders, even if elected, and thus do not deserve to wield power (this ties back into the partisanship they wage in).

12) Republicans didn’t care when Trump abused his power: only about 8-15% of Republicans supported Trump's two impeachments, and many more ignored his abuses of power, of which, Democrats or any other Republican would not be able to get away with.

13) Trump and Trumpism could return in 2024: no surprises here. Over 50% of GOP voters want Trump to be the 2024 nominee, the very man that exposed and changed the GOP.

I think this article which is anti Trump, anti Republican is very biased. Republicans are Partisan and the Democrats are Partisan too.

The article is mostly about polling Republicans, so most charts are about Reps specifically. Additionally, it's entirely fact. Dems are partisan too, yes, but Reps more so, as the article shows. Of course, facts are anti-Rep (please don't ban me for trolling), so yeah

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