American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Thermodolia]

Cool you just violated your constitutional duty to protect and defend the US.

How?

Ive explained it already

[Alcala-Cordel]

The Cold War is over, and the world's a much different place. Modern technology makes traditional war with another superpower impossible, replacing it mostly with a system of targeted strikes, both physical and technologically, to the opponent. It's a new century, and in this new century the rules are different.

The Cold War isn’t over it’s just been on pause. And no the reason why Russia and the West and the US and China haven’t gone to war isn’t because of Modern tech but because of nukes and the fear that if the US or China, or Russia or France was on its last legs they’d nuke the opposition rather than surrender

The Cold War is over, and it's not MAD preventing us from entering another one. China is not the Soviet Union, and neither are any of our other nuclear competitors. We're all more connected than ever, and old-school rivalries just don't work anymore.

China doesn't want to destroy the US, it wants to exploit it and sell things to it.

[Thermodolia]

The Cold War is over, and the world's a much different place. Modern technology makes traditional war with another superpower impossible, replacing it mostly with a system of targeted strikes, both physical and technologically, to the opponent. It's a new century, and in this new century the rules are different.

Not as different a place as you’ve been indoctrinated to think it is. China, Russia, Iran, and NK for example are nuclear capable and all of these nations are rival nations/enemies of ours. China and Russia are both very aggressive in particular and are competing for dominant positions. China itself has already been marked as very possibly being at war with the US in the coming future. As I said, they are nuclear capable and the US disarming itself and rattling swords with them inevitably (such is the world) is suicide.

More to the point right now we can threaten nuclear war if China attempts to take Taiwan or we can at least go to war with China in the very real event they invade. Which btw China is planning on invading Taiwan within the next 5 years or so.

Without nukes China can and will tell us to back off or get nuked if we attempt to intervene in the defense of Taiwan. And people who think that China wouldn’t nuke the US in such a situation is seriously naïve

[North Washington Republic]

The president has the duty to protect the US from harm. Refusing to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike is a violation of that duty

Any president who launches a retaliatory strike is condemning countless innocent lives to death, not to mention the fallout. It's better to go down in flames alone than take half the fucking planet with you

So, in your view, America shouldn’t have a retaliatory strike when they are struck with a nuclear bomb? What you’re saying is your okay with thousands, if not millions of innocence people dying as long as they’re Americans.

This takes “fuck America” to a whole another level.

[Thermodolia]

The Cold War isn’t over it’s just been on pause. And no the reason why Russia and the West and the US and China haven’t gone to war isn’t because of Modern tech but because of nukes and the fear that if the US or China, or Russia or France was on its last legs they’d nuke the opposition rather than surrender

The Cold War is over, and it's not MAD preventing us from entering another one. China is not the Soviet Union, and neither are any of our other nuclear competitors. We're all more connected than ever, and old-school rivalries just don't work anymore.

China doesn't want to destroy the US, it wants to exploit it and sell things to it.

The Cold War isn’t over no matter how much your peacenik self wants to believe it. Sorry that’s just reality

[Alcala-Cordel]

Any president who launches a retaliatory strike is condemning countless innocent lives to death, not to mention the fallout. It's better to go down in flames alone than take half the fucking planet with you

So, in your view, America shouldn’t have a retaliatory strike when they are struck with a nuclear bomb? What you’re saying is your okay with thousands, if not millions of innocence people dying as long as they’re Americans.

This takes “fuck America” to a whole another level.

WHOA. Absolutely not. What I'm saying is retaliatory nukes don't really help the situation and just kill more innocent people.

The Cold War is over, and it's not MAD preventing us from entering another one. China is not the Soviet Union, and neither are any of our other nuclear competitors. We're all more connected than ever, and old-school rivalries just don't work anymore.

China doesn't want to destroy the US, it wants to exploit it and sell things to it.

The Cold War isn’t over no matter how much your peacenik self wants to believe it. Sorry that’s just reality

We're not beyond war or arms races, the rules have just changed.

[North Washington Republic]

Not as different a place as you’ve been indoctrinated to think it is. China, Russia, Iran, and NK for example are nuclear capable and all of these nations are rival nations/enemies of ours. China and Russia are both very aggressive in particular and are competing for dominant positions. China itself has already been marked as very possibly being at war with the US in the coming future. As I said, they are nuclear capable and the US disarming itself and rattling swords with them inevitably (such is the world) is suicide.

More to the point right now we can threaten nuclear war if China attempts to take Taiwan or we can at least go to war with China in the very real event they invade. Which btw China is planning on invading Taiwan within the next 5 years or so.

Without nukes China can and will tell us to back off or get nuked if we attempt to intervene in the defense of Taiwan. And people who think that China wouldn’t nuke the US in such a situation is seriously naïve

I agreed. We should be dramatically increasing our nuclear arsenal because China and Russia are getting more bold and more grandiose. The only thing they understand is strength. Russia thinks they can invade former soviet states and China thinks they own the South China Sea and they own Taiwan.

[Neanderthaland]

So, in your view, America shouldn’t have a retaliatory strike when they are struck with a nuclear bomb? What you’re saying is your okay with thousands, if not millions of innocence people dying as long as they’re Americans.

This takes “fuck America” to a whole another level.

What I'm saying retaliatory nukes don't really help and just kill more innocent people.

But the credible threat of retaliation is what prevents their nukes from being launched in the first place.

Look: we probably have more nuclear weapons then we need. But keeping some around isn't a bad idea.

[San Lumen]

https://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-v ... 600043359/

Minneapolis will be be voting on a referendum in November to decide whether to increase the power of the mayor. The position is currently very weak other than having the power to a point certain officials. The mayoral election and city council election is also being held in the fall.

Incumbent Mayor Jacob Frey is likely to face multiple challengers and a tough re-election fight. He has faced much criticism for his response to the Floyd protests and riots and is widely unpopular.

[Neanderthaland]

More to the point right now we can threaten nuclear war if China attempts to take Taiwan or we can at least go to war with China in the very real event they invade. Which btw China is planning on invading Taiwan within the next 5 years or so.

Without nukes China can and will tell us to back off or get nuked if we attempt to intervene in the defense of Taiwan. And people who think that China wouldn’t nuke the US in such a situation is seriously naïve

I agreed. We should be dramatically increasing our nuclear arsenal because China and Russia are getting more bold and more grandiose. The only thing they understand is strength. Russia thinks they can invade former soviet states and China thinks they own the South China Sea and they own Taiwan.

We don't need to dramatically increase anything. The current US arsenal is more than sufficient to completely destroy Russia and China in every way that matters.

[Thermodolia]

So, in your view, America shouldn’t have a retaliatory strike when they are struck with a nuclear bomb? What you’re saying is your okay with thousands, if not millions of innocence people dying as long as they’re Americans.

This takes “fuck America” to a whole another level.

WHOA. Absolutely not. What I'm saying is retaliatory nukes don't really help the situation and just kill more innocent people.

The situation is already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Refusing to launch a return strike defeats the entire point of MAD

The Cold War isn’t over no matter how much your peacenik self wants to believe it. Sorry that’s just reality

We're not beyond war or arms races, the rules have just changed.

The rules haven’t changed you’ve just bought into propaganda that says they have.

[Alcala-Cordel]

WHOA. Absolutely not. What I'm saying is retaliatory nukes don't really help the situation and just kill more innocent people.

The situation is already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Refusing to launch a return strike defeats the entire point of MAD

We're not beyond war or arms races, the rules have just changed.

The rules haven’t changed you’ve just bought into propaganda that says they have.

What I'm saying retaliatory nukes don't really help and just kill more innocent people.

But the credible threat of retaliation is what prevents their nukes from being launched in the first place.

Look: we probably have more nuclear weapons then we need. But keeping some around isn't a bad idea.

The environmental damage of a nuclear attack makes MAD unnecessary. No one wants to launch a nuke.

And yes, things have changed (though again, we're not beyond tensions and war).

[Thermodolia]

I agreed. We should be dramatically increasing our nuclear arsenal because China and Russia are getting more bold and more grandiose. The only thing they understand is strength. Russia thinks they can invade former soviet states and China thinks they own the South China Sea and they own Taiwan.

We don't need to dramatically increase anything. The current US arsenal is more than sufficient to completely destroy Russia and China in every way that matters.

If anything we should be building more tactical nukes than anything. We should have nukes that are able to destroy silos and military infrastructure with Precision

[Zurkir]

Nuclear weapons should have never been invented to begin with. But that is moot and as I said “the genie is out of the bottle”, it’s better for everyone to be armed and capable of defending of deterring a foreign threat/invader.

[Neanderthaland]

But the credible threat of retaliation is what prevents their nukes from being launched in the first place.

Look: we probably have more nuclear weapons then we need. But keeping some around isn't a bad idea.

The environmental damage of a nuclear attack makes MAD unnecessary. No one wants to launch a nuke.

A single nuke doesn't do very much environmental damage beyond the area that's getting nuked. So I don't think that's even a consideration.

Now if you're talking a 2,000 warhead exchange scenario, with many of those weapons being set to ground burst over missile silos and the like, then environmental consequences become more pronounced. But at that point everything is pretty apocalyptic anyway.

[North Washington Republic]

https://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-voters-will-decide-whether-to-grant-mayor-more-power/600043359/

Minneapolis will be be voting on a referendum in November to decide whether to increase the power of the mayor. The position is currently very weak other than having your power to a point certain officials. The mayoral election and city council election is also being held in the fall.

Incumbent Mayor Jacob Frey is likely to face multiple challengers and a tough re-election fight. He has faced much criticism for his response to the Floyd protests and riots and is widely unpopular.

The thing is is that Jacob Frey is a moderate when it comes to Minneapolis politics. He might be replaced with an Anarcho-communist that wants to abolish the police, like many on the council want. Along with the pandemic,this is what keeps me up at night. Minneapolis is being used as a social experiment. What the far-left in the city seem to not understand is that white supremacists also want to abolish the police department because they think that will make their stupid race war easier to start.

[Thermodolia]

The situation is already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Refusing to launch a return strike defeats the entire point of MAD


The rules haven’t changed you’ve just bought into propaganda that says they have.

But the credible threat of retaliation is what prevents their nukes from being launched in the first place.

Look: we probably have more nuclear weapons then we need. But keeping some around isn't a bad idea.

The environmental damage of a nuclear attack makes MAD unnecessary. No one wants to launch a nuke.

And yes, things have changed.

Actually it’s more likely that a nuclear strike would in the long term benefit the environment not harm it.

Less people and more areas for wildlife to grow are beneficial to the environment. Sure the short term would suck but that’s only likely to last for about a year or two.

And no one wants to launch a nuke because of the fear of others launching back, not the environment. The fact you think those in power actually care about the environment is laughably naïve

[Neanderthaland]

https://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-voters-will-decide-whether-to-grant-mayor-more-power/600043359/

Minneapolis will be be voting on a referendum in November to decide whether to increase the power of the mayor. The position is currently very weak other than having your power to a point certain officials. The mayoral election and city council election is also being held in the fall.

Incumbent Mayor Jacob Frey is likely to face multiple challengers and a tough re-election fight. He has faced much criticism for his response to the Floyd protests and riots and is widely unpopular.

The thing is is that Jacob Frey is a moderate when it comes to Minneapolis politics. He might be replaced with an Anarcho-communist that wants to abolish the police, like many on the council want. Along with the pandemic,this is what keeps me up at night. Minneapolis is being used as a social experiment. What the far-left in the city seem to not understand is that white supremacists also want to abolish the police department because they think that will make their stupid race war easier to start.

Somehow I think we'll be okay.

[Thermodolia]

The thing is is that Jacob Frey is a moderate when it comes to Minneapolis politics. He might be replaced with an Anarcho-communist that wants to abolish the police, like many on the council want. Along with the pandemic,this is what keeps me up at night. Minneapolis is being used as a social experiment. What the far-left in the city seem to not understand is that white supremacists also want to abolish the police department because they think that will make their stupid race war easier to start.

Somehow I think we'll be okay.

As long as that asshole of a cop gets convicted. Which I worry he wont

[North Washington Republic]

The thing is is that Jacob Frey is a moderate when it comes to Minneapolis politics. He might be replaced with an Anarcho-communist that wants to abolish the police, like many on the council want. Along with the pandemic,this is what keeps me up at night. Minneapolis is being used as a social experiment. What the far-left in the city seem to not understand is that white supremacists also want to abolish the police department because they think that will make their stupid race war easier to start.

Somehow I think we'll be okay.

Um, no. Violent crime has soared in the city I live in the third precinct, so you cannot tell me that it’s all peaches and cream.

[Neanderthaland]

Somehow I think we'll be okay.

As long as that asshole of a cop gets convicted. Which I worry he wont

I was worried about that as well, but the way the trial is going it's looking increasingly like he'll be found guilty of something.

Maybe not murder 2, which is what everyone wants, but I don't think he's getting out of this without serving time.

[Alcala-Cordel]

The environmental damage of a nuclear attack makes MAD unnecessary. No one wants to launch a nuke.

A single nuke doesn't do very much environmental damage beyond the area that's getting nuked. So I don't think that's even a consideration.

Now if you're talking a 2,000 warhead exchange scenario, with many of those weapons being set to ground burst over missile silos and the like, then environmental consequences become more pronounced. But at that point everything is pretty apocalyptic anyway.

Only it does, because the ecosystemic overlap would throw the entire food chain out of balance.

[Kowani]

As long as that asshole of a cop gets convicted. Which I worry he wont

I was worried about that as well, but the way the trial is going it's looking increasingly like he'll be found guilty of something.

Maybe not murder 2, which is what everyone wants, but I don't think he's getting out of this without serving time.

we're still waiting for the defense's arguments, mind
and while Nelson has not proven to be a stellar legal mind, he has shown a willingness to play dirty
this could still go south
though i am, admittedly, more optimistic than i was prior to the trial

[Alcala-Cordel]

https://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-voters-will-decide-whether-to-grant-mayor-more-power/600043359/

Minneapolis will be be voting on a referendum in November to decide whether to increase the power of the mayor. The position is currently very weak other than having your power to a point certain officials. The mayoral election and city council election is also being held in the fall.

Incumbent Mayor Jacob Frey is likely to face multiple challengers and a tough re-election fight. He has faced much criticism for his response to the Floyd protests and riots and is widely unpopular.

The thing is is that Jacob Frey is a moderate when it comes to Minneapolis politics. He might be replaced with an Anarcho-communist that wants to abolish the police, like many on the council want. Along with the pandemic,this is what keeps me up at night. Minneapolis is being used as a social experiment. What the far-left in the city seem to not understand is that white supremacists also want to abolish the police department because they think that will make their stupid race war easier to start.

Awesome to the first part, cringe to the second. Policing is a systemically white supremacist institution already.

[Neanderthaland]

Somehow I think we'll be okay.

Um, no. Violent crime has soared in the city I live in the third precinct, so you cannot tell me that it’s all peaches and cream.

That's cool. I'm just slightly West of you. I don't think Minneapolis is in any real danger of an anarcho-communist takeover.

EDIT: And I'm not going to argue over it. I'm just going to let you reflect on this in a year, when it didn't happen. Although I'm sure you'll find a way to convince yourself that it did somehow.