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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:13 am

Zurkerx wrote:"I will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster [..] it is time to do our jobs," Senator Joe Manchin.

When Americans vote to send their two senators to Washington, they trust that they will work to represent the interests of their state on equal footing with 98 other senators. I have always said, “If I can’t go home and explain it, I can’t vote for it.” And I respect that each of my colleagues has the same responsibility to their constituents.

It’s no accident that a state as small as West Virginia has the same number of senators as California or Texas. It goes to the heart of what representative government is all about. The Founding Fathers understood that the challenges facing a rural or small state would always be very different from a more populous state. Designating each state with the same number of senators — regardless of the population — ensured that rural and small states and the Americans who live in them would always have a seat at the table.

The filibuster is a critical tool to protecting that input and our democratic form of government. That is why I have said it before and will say it again to remove any shred of doubt: There is no circumstance in which I will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster. The time has come to end these political games, and to usher a new era of bipartisanship where we find common ground on the major policy debates facing our nation.

Think about the recent history. In 2013, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) led the charge to change Senate rules to eliminate the filibuster for Cabinet-level nominees and federal judges. I was one of only three Democratic senators to vote against this rule change. In 2017, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) proposed to lower the threshold to end debate on Supreme Court nominees to a simple majority. I voted against that change, too. Despite my votes, both rules changes were enacted and the filibuster was weakened, allowing the majority to more easily enact its agenda with little to no input from the minority.

Every time the Senate voted to weaken the filibuster in the past decade, the political dysfunction and gridlock have grown more severe. The political games playing out in the halls of Congress only fuel the hateful rhetoric and violence we see across our country right now. The truth is, my Democratic friends do not have all the answers and my Republican friends do not, either. This has always been the case.

Generations of senators who came before us put their heads down and their pride aside to solve the complex issues facing our country. We must do the same. The issues facing our democracy today are not insurmountable if we choose to tackle them together.

Unfortunately, our leaders in the Senate fail to realize what goes around comes around. We should all be alarmed at how the budget reconciliation process is being used by both parties to stifle debate around the major issues facing our country today. Legislating was never supposed to be easy. It is hard work to address the needs of both rural and urban communities in a single piece of legislation, but it is the work we were elected to do.

I simply do not believe budget reconciliation should replace regular order in the Senate. How is that good for the future of this nation? Senate Democrats must avoid the temptation to abandon our Republican colleagues on important national issues. Republicans, however, have a responsibility to stop saying no, and participate in finding real compromise with Democrats.

Working legislation through regular order in the Senate prevents drastic swings in federal policymaking. Voting rights reforms, instituting health-care protections and changes to the federal tax code and business regulations take time to implement on the state and local levels. If the filibuster is eliminated or budget reconciliation becomes the norm, a new and dangerous precedent will be set to pass sweeping, partisan legislation that changes the direction of our nation every time there is a change in political control. The consequences will be profound — our nation may never see stable governing again.

Senators introduce bipartisan bills that seek to invest in broadband infrastructure, tax incentives to spur manufacturing investments in rural communities, reform the Department of Veterans Affairs, protect our children from harm and more.

There is also bipartisan support for voting reform and many of the initiatives outlined in the For the People Act. Our ultimate goal should be to restore bipartisan faith in our voting process by assuring all Americans that their votes will be counted, secured and protected. Efforts to expand voting hours and access, improve our election security and increase transparency in campaign finance and advertisement rules should and do have broad, bipartisan support and would quickly address the needs facing Americans today. Taking bipartisan action on voting reform would go a long way in restoring the American people’s faith in Congress and our ability to deliver results for them.

We will not solve our nation’s problems in one Congress if we seek only partisan solutions. Instead of fixating on eliminating the filibuster or shortcutting the legislative process through budget reconciliation, it is time we do our jobs.


I feel Democrats will be somewhat relieved when Manchin leaves- even if that means losing a seat: because this guarantees that stuff like HR1 won't pass so easily. As much as Biden is a relic of the past, he seems to at least somewhat grasp that the GOP have no intention of compromising: he probably doesn't recognize the GOP he once knew anymore.


Considering Biden's speech about "a vast majority of Americans are united," I still don't think he totally understands how bad the GOP is. A vast majority are not united when a majority of Republicans still think the election was stolen and don't recognize Biden as the president.
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Zurkerx wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Biden's pick for the ATF director was the agent in charge of the Waco disaster. Nice, that inspires tons of confidence.


I did hear it was some gun control advocate: I can't imagine that person being easily confirmed- not with some moderate Democrats. That person I see is David Chipman, who headed Gabby Giffords Gun Control Group and was a Special Agent for ATF for 25 years. I take it he botched that Disaster??


Kids burned to death. He fucked up and not only shouldn't be head of the ATF but should also be in a prison cell.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:"I will not vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster [..] it is time to do our jobs," Senator Joe Manchin.

When Americans vote to send their two senators to Washington, they trust that they will work to represent the interests of their state on equal footing with 98 other senators. I have always said, “If I can’t go home and explain it, I can’t vote for it.” And I respect that each of my colleagues has the same responsibility to their constituents.

It’s no accident that a state as small as West Virginia has the same number of senators as California or Texas. It goes to the heart of what representative government is all about. The Founding Fathers understood that the challenges facing a rural or small state would always be very different from a more populous state. Designating each state with the same number of senators — regardless of the population — ensured that rural and small states and the Americans who live in them would always have a seat at the table.

The filibuster is a critical tool to protecting that input and our democratic form of government. That is why I have said it before and will say it again to remove any shred of doubt: There is no circumstance in which I will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster. The time has come to end these political games, and to usher a new era of bipartisanship where we find common ground on the major policy debates facing our nation.

Think about the recent history. In 2013, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) led the charge to change Senate rules to eliminate the filibuster for Cabinet-level nominees and federal judges. I was one of only three Democratic senators to vote against this rule change. In 2017, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) proposed to lower the threshold to end debate on Supreme Court nominees to a simple majority. I voted against that change, too. Despite my votes, both rules changes were enacted and the filibuster was weakened, allowing the majority to more easily enact its agenda with little to no input from the minority.

Every time the Senate voted to weaken the filibuster in the past decade, the political dysfunction and gridlock have grown more severe. The political games playing out in the halls of Congress only fuel the hateful rhetoric and violence we see across our country right now. The truth is, my Democratic friends do not have all the answers and my Republican friends do not, either. This has always been the case.

Generations of senators who came before us put their heads down and their pride aside to solve the complex issues facing our country. We must do the same. The issues facing our democracy today are not insurmountable if we choose to tackle them together.

Unfortunately, our leaders in the Senate fail to realize what goes around comes around. We should all be alarmed at how the budget reconciliation process is being used by both parties to stifle debate around the major issues facing our country today. Legislating was never supposed to be easy. It is hard work to address the needs of both rural and urban communities in a single piece of legislation, but it is the work we were elected to do.

I simply do not believe budget reconciliation should replace regular order in the Senate. How is that good for the future of this nation? Senate Democrats must avoid the temptation to abandon our Republican colleagues on important national issues. Republicans, however, have a responsibility to stop saying no, and participate in finding real compromise with Democrats.

Working legislation through regular order in the Senate prevents drastic swings in federal policymaking. Voting rights reforms, instituting health-care protections and changes to the federal tax code and business regulations take time to implement on the state and local levels. If the filibuster is eliminated or budget reconciliation becomes the norm, a new and dangerous precedent will be set to pass sweeping, partisan legislation that changes the direction of our nation every time there is a change in political control. The consequences will be profound — our nation may never see stable governing again.

Senators introduce bipartisan bills that seek to invest in broadband infrastructure, tax incentives to spur manufacturing investments in rural communities, reform the Department of Veterans Affairs, protect our children from harm and more.

There is also bipartisan support for voting reform and many of the initiatives outlined in the For the People Act. Our ultimate goal should be to restore bipartisan faith in our voting process by assuring all Americans that their votes will be counted, secured and protected. Efforts to expand voting hours and access, improve our election security and increase transparency in campaign finance and advertisement rules should and do have broad, bipartisan support and would quickly address the needs facing Americans today. Taking bipartisan action on voting reform would go a long way in restoring the American people’s faith in Congress and our ability to deliver results for them.

We will not solve our nation’s problems in one Congress if we seek only partisan solutions. Instead of fixating on eliminating the filibuster or shortcutting the legislative process through budget reconciliation, it is time we do our jobs.


I feel Democrats will be somewhat relieved when Manchin leaves- even if that means losing a seat: because this guarantees that stuff like HR1 won't pass so easily. As much as Biden is a relic of the past, he seems to at least somewhat grasp that the GOP have no intention of compromising: he probably doesn't recognize the GOP he once knew anymore.


Considering Biden's speech about "a vast majority of Americans are united," I still don't think he totally understands how bad the GOP is. A vast majority are not united when a majority of Republicans still think the election was stolen and don't recognize Biden as the president.


Hmm, fair point though I suspect he'll slowly grasp it- he's leagues ahead of Manchin I feel though. I would say a majority are united but that number is more around 55% at most and is more partisan although Independents thus far approve of Biden: it's Republicans (6 out of 10 at least support "The Big Lie).

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I did hear it was some gun control advocate: I can't imagine that person being easily confirmed- not with some moderate Democrats. That person I see is David Chipman, who headed Gabby Giffords Gun Control Group and was a Special Agent for ATF for 25 years. I take it he botched that Disaster??


Kids burned to death. He fucked up and not only shouldn't be head of the ATF but should also be in a prison cell.


Oh yes, now I'm recalling the events of Waco. Yeah, that was a catastrophe.
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:06 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Biden's pick for the ATF director was the agent in charge of the Waco disaster. Nice, that inspires tons of confidence.

I haven't seen anything after a quick google search which suggests he was in a leadership role at that event.
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:09 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Kids burned to death. He fucked up and not only shouldn't be head of the ATF but should also be in a prison cell.

I don't see how it's ATF's fault that the Branch Davidians decided to burn their own building down while they were still inside.

edit: Since it also appears that FBI conducted the final assault anyway.
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Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:22 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Biden's pick for the ATF director was the agent in charge of the Waco disaster. Nice, that inspires tons of confidence.

I haven't seen anything after a quick google search which suggests he was in a leadership role at that event.


https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/ho ... 190925.pdf

1993 – 1998 Office of Field Operations, ATF
Houston Field Division - Waco Satellite Office - Waco, TX
Special Agent – GS-1811-12/13
➢ Case agent in Branch Davidian trial.


Nothing screams gun safety like one of the guys who decided on a big flashy operation to flex the governments muscle instead of just grabbing Koresh on one of his regular morning jogs.
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:I haven't seen anything after a quick google search which suggests he was in a leadership role at that event.


https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/ho ... 190925.pdf

1993 – 1998 Office of Field Operations, ATF
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Nothing screams gun safety like one of the guys who decided on a big flashy operation to flex the governments muscle instead of just grabbing Koresh on one of his regular morning jogs.

1) Case agent can mean a lot of things. All that says is that he testified at trial. He may have just been collecting and analyzing evidence or he may have been in Charge of the ATF's response.
In fact, a review of the operation indicates that he was not involved in the planning of the first ATF raid.
https://archive.org/details/reportofdep ... 6/mode/2up (raid planning starts on page 37)
2) as to your second point, while I won't defend all of the tactics used, the ultimate purpose was to serve a search warrant in addition to the arrest warrants. Picking up one guy off the street won't accomplish the search portion.
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Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:I haven't seen anything after a quick google search which suggests he was in a leadership role at that event.


https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/ho ... 190925.pdf

1993 – 1998 Office of Field Operations, ATF
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Nothing screams gun safety like one of the guys who decided on a big flashy operation to flex the governments muscle instead of just grabbing Koresh on one of his regular morning jogs.

Wasn’t Clinton himself actively involved in pushing for an assault, on the basis that it had worked previously in a similar case? That wasn’t just like some schmo in a random branch office making the call. I really don’t understand why people blame the US government for some insane cultists setting themselves on fire, and saying that everything would’ve been fine if they’d somehow just gotten Koresh seems like it’s putting a lot of weight on an unfalsifiable claim about the mental state of besieged crazy people who just lost their leader.
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Texas officials have launched an investigation into reports alleging sexual and other abuse and neglect at a San Antonio facility housing migrant teenagers who'd arrived from the southern border, Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said Wednesday. […]Abbott said at a news conference that there had been complaints that "children at this facility have been sexually assaulted" and that some weren't eating throughout the day.

Other complaints include that "children with COVID are not being physically separated from children without COVID" and that there aren't enough staff to safely supervise those housed at the facility.
He said the center "should shut down immediately," as he blamed the Biden administration for the incident.
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Kowani wrote:Texas opens investigation into claims of abuse at a “teenage migrant holding facility”

Texas officials have launched an investigation into reports alleging sexual and other abuse and neglect at a San Antonio facility housing migrant teenagers who'd arrived from the southern border, Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said Wednesday. […]Abbott said at a news conference that there had been complaints that "children at this facility have been sexually assaulted" and that some weren't eating throughout the day.

Other complaints include that "children with COVID are not being physically separated from children without COVID" and that there aren't enough staff to safely supervise those housed at the facility.
He said the center "should shut down immediately," as he blamed the Biden administration for the incident.

Well, if a Democratic president is what it takes to get Greg Abbott’s ass in gear about conditions in border facilities, I’ll take it.
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You gotta be kidding. Why Joe?

Needs a man with experience, just in case Corn Pop makes a return.


They'll need a whole arsenal of military grade weapons to stop cornpop, a threat to the free world.
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Kowani wrote:Texas opens investigation into claims of abuse at a “teenage migrant holding facility”

Texas officials have launched an investigation into reports alleging sexual and other abuse and neglect at a San Antonio facility housing migrant teenagers who'd arrived from the southern border, Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said Wednesday. […]Abbott said at a news conference that there had been complaints that "children at this facility have been sexually assaulted" and that some weren't eating throughout the day.

Other complaints include that "children with COVID are not being physically separated from children without COVID" and that there aren't enough staff to safely supervise those housed at the facility.
He said the center "should shut down immediately," as he blamed the Biden administration for the incident.


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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I did hear it was some gun control advocate: I can't imagine that person being easily confirmed- not with some moderate Democrats. That person I see is David Chipman, who headed Gabby Giffords Gun Control Group and was a Special Agent for ATF for 25 years. I take it he botched that Disaster??


Kids burned to death. He fucked up and not only shouldn't be head of the ATF but should also be in a prison cell.

Wasn’t the fire ruled to have been done by the Branch Davidson’s?
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Kids burned to death. He fucked up and not only shouldn't be head of the ATF but should also be in a prison cell.

Wasn’t the fire ruled to have been done by the Branch Davidson’s?


I'm pretty sure it was caused by all the tear gas they fired into the building.
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Andsed wrote:Wasn’t the fire ruled to have been done by the Branch Davidson’s?

Yes, and there is evidence which backs that conclusion up principally:
1) the fact that three separate fires started in three distinct places in a short period of time.
2) Chemical accelerants were detected in the ruins and on the clothes of the deceased (kerosene and campfire fuel).

https://www.justice.gov/archives/public ... il-19-fire

The team submitted 100 samples of fire debris and clothing to which the dog had alerted to a laboratory for chemical analysis. The laboratory items consisted of various items of clothing taken from the survivors, as well as debris recovered from the remains of the compound. The laboratory tests found kerosene on Misty Ferguson's shoes; camp stove fuel on Clive Doyle's shoes; camp stove fuel and kerosene on Derek Lovelock's clothing and shoes; kerosene and gasoline on Graeme Craddock's left shoe; and camp stove fuel on Jaime Castillo's shoes. From the other items of debris found in the fire the laboratory tests determined the presence of gasoline, charcoal lighter fluid, kerosene, and a heavy petroleum distillate.


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2. The rapid growth rates of the fires resulted from an ignition source, probably liquid fuel, deliberately placed in each of the three points of origin.


3. The rapid growth rates of the fires could not have been caused by a CEV accidentally tipping a lantern, nor by the chemical (methylene chloride) used as the dispersal agent for the CS tear gas.
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Andsed wrote:Wasn’t the fire ruled to have been done by the Branch Davidson’s?


I'm pretty sure it was caused by all the tear gas they fired into the building.

I’m pretty sure it was caused by all the gasoline the Branch Davidians poured all over the place.
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Kids burned to death. He fucked up and not only shouldn't be head of the ATF but should also be in a prison cell.

Wasn’t the fire ruled to have been done by the Branch Davidson’s?


The whole situation was mishandled from begin with resulting in total desaster.

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When I remember I supported Ted Cruz for 2024, I cringe a little.
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Exalted Inquellian State wrote:When I remember I supported Ted Cruz for 2024, I cringe a little.


You mean 2020?

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:05 am



I hope passing all these great laws means Democrats will be rewarded with more seats in the House of Delegates this year and keeping all three statewide offices.
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United Dependencies
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby United Dependencies » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:16 am


I'd be curious to know what law, technology, and other policy changes are underway to deal with DUIs where the driver is under the influence of Marijuana rather than alcohol.

My understanding is that MJ can be present in blood longer than alcohol so it will be harder to nail down when exactly somebody may have been high enough to have their ability to drive compromised.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:When I remember I supported Ted Cruz for 2024, I cringe a little.


You mean 2020?

Sorry, I meant I supported him running in 2024. I stopped mostly after the Cancun thing, and after realizing he stood little chance, but might again(yes, I realize my opinions switch every few hours). For now though I support DeSantis the most. Out of the major parties at least.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:12 am

The Manhattan District Attorney has seized evidence from Trump executive’s former daughter-in-law.

Looks like the pressure is heating up on flipping Weisselberg, especially since their greater focus on him tells me that there might be possible criminal activity by Weisselberg. Likely, he's the key that Prosecutors need to charge Trump, his family, and subordinates. Without him, they'll have a difficult time prosecuting people we suspect are criminals.

NEW YORK — Investigators from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, acting on a grand jury subpoena, took possession of financial records Thursday morning from the apartment of Jennifer Weisselberg, the former daughter-in-law of a top Trump Organization officer.

Jennifer Weisselberg was married to Barry Weisselberg — the son of Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg — from 2004 to 2018. She has previously said that she had seven boxes of financial records from both her ex-husband and his father, some of which were obtained through divorce litigation. On Thursday, she loaded three boxes and a laptop computer onto a valet cart and wheeled them from her building to a black Jeep waiting outside.

The move by District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. appears to be the latest sign that Allen Weisselberg, the company’s highest-ranking corporate officer who is not a member of the Trump family, is a key focus of the ongoing criminal probe into former president Donald Trump’s financial dealings.

The subpoena, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post, ordered Jennifer Weisselberg to produce all of the records she possesses for her ex-husband’s bank accounts and credit cards plus his statements of net worth and tax filings. Barry Weisselberg is a Trump Organization employee and manages an ice rink for the company in Manhattan’s Central Park. The subpoena asks specifically for records related to the Trump Organization and Wollman Rink.

“My knowledge of the documents and my voice connect the flow of money from various banks and from personal finances that bleed directly into the Trump Organization,” she said in an interview Thursday. Investigators, she added, now have her ex-husband’s 2019 and 2020 statements of net worth, his tax returns and copies of Wollman Rink checks from private events that she claims were deposited incorrectly.

She has said previously that the documents that were in her possession showed transactions in bank accounts controlled by Barry and Allen Weisselberg jointly.

Vance (D) and New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) — running parallel investigations — have inquired about whether Allen Weisselberg or his son received untaxed benefits from the Trump Organization. Jennifer Weisselberg has previously said, for example, that her family received free use of Trump Organization apartments in Manhattan. Tax experts say that, in some instances, free housing must be counted as “income” for tax purposes. Jennifer Weisselberg has said it was not in this case.

“Jennifer is committed to cooperating with prosecutors, and turning over any documents in her possession that might be helpful,” said Duncan Levin, an attorney for Jennifer Weisselberg. “At this point, she’s give them everything they’ve asked for. But we’re continuing to review documents, and may have supplemental documents to give” later, Levin said.

A spokesman for the district attorney’s office declined to comment, as did an attorney for Allen Weisselberg. An attorney for Barry Weisselberg did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Investigators are examining whether the values of certain properties in the Trump Organization’s portfolio were manipulated to gain tax advantages or favorable loans and insurance rates under false pretenses.

In complex investigations like those into Trump’s business activities, prosecutors routinely seek evidence of wrongdoing by subordinates as a means to elicit their cooperation and expose damaging information about their bosses. The pressure facing Allen Weisselberg appears intended to pursue that strategy against Trump, although neither Vance nor James has alleged wrongdoing by Trump, Weisselberg or anyone else.

A person with knowledge of the district attorney’s investigation previously told The Post that, indeed, Vance is working to “flip” him.

Trump has denied any wrongdoing and dismissed both investigations as politically motivated.

Vance’s inquiry is one of three known criminal probes focused on the former president. Another was opened in Atlanta, where the Fulton County district attorney is investigating Trump’s controversial conversations with Georgia state officials amid his failed bid to subvert the election results there. The D.C. Attorney General’s Office is scrutinizing Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, when a mob of his supporters assaulted the U.S. Capitol in a deadly bid to prevent Congress from tallying the electoral-college results.
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