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Postby Joohan » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Im from there - why is this such a big deal?


Me and Shrill provide election coverage. I do county and municipal elections, I thought it was of significance.


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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:17 pm

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Signature matches against the historical voter file.

Until that moment I never realized that signature matches are classist. How stable a person's signature is, would depend (among other things) on how many times a year they have to sign their name. And how often that is on paper, as opposed to on a tablet.

If photo ID is "necessary" then it should also be sufficient. Postal votes could have a hash of the photo ID number and a unique number printed on the ballot, and situations like nursing homes could have a single staff member responsible for generating hashes.

Maybe I shouldn't be saying this. But Republicans will realize eventually that they can strike out mostly Democrat postals by making the signature verification unreasonably strict.


I dunno. Old people also tend to have pretty varied signatures; so you would lose those votes as well.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:19 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Fillygreed wrote:
Signature matches against the historical voter file.

Until that moment I never realized that signature matches are classist. How stable a person's signature is, would depend (among other things) on how many times a year they have to sign their name. And how often that is on paper, as opposed to on a tablet.

If photo ID is "necessary" then it should also be sufficient. Postal votes could have a hash of the photo ID number and a unique number printed on the ballot, and situations like nursing homes could have a single staff member responsible for generating hashes.

Maybe I shouldn't be saying this. But Republicans will realize eventually that they can strike out mostly Democrat postals by making the signature verification unreasonably strict.


I dunno. Old people also tend to have pretty varied signatures; so you would lose those votes as well.


I get the sense that the Republicans aren't all that interested votes anymore.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:21 pm

Loeje wrote:
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He's just lashing out in the ultimate rage quit moment.

It seems a little late for that.


The coping process is long and staged. He's only in the anger stage.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:23 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Fillygreed wrote:
Signature matches against the historical voter file.

Until that moment I never realized that signature matches are classist. How stable a person's signature is, would depend (among other things) on how many times a year they have to sign their name. And how often that is on paper, as opposed to on a tablet.

If photo ID is "necessary" then it should also be sufficient. Postal votes could have a hash of the photo ID number and a unique number printed on the ballot, and situations like nursing homes could have a single staff member responsible for generating hashes.

Maybe I shouldn't be saying this. But Republicans will realize eventually that they can strike out mostly Democrat postals by making the signature verification unreasonably strict.


I dunno. Old people also tend to have pretty varied signatures; so you would lose those votes as well.


They also don’t like having to wait in lines to file their signatures. Many would opt out.....
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Postby Loeje » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:26 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Loeje wrote:I sincerely hope no one really believes that.


It gets pretty close sometimes.

I haven't seen anything that extreme, at least.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:30 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Loeje wrote:I don't know what Trump wants anymore.


He's just lashing out in the ultimate rage quit moment.

Does he really want to destroy Brian Kemp? And if so, why? I mean, yes, Trump whines if he doesn’t get the attention, but still.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:41 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
He's just lashing out in the ultimate rage quit moment.

Does he really want to destroy Brian Kemp? And if so, why? I mean, yes, Trump whines if he doesn’t get the attention, but still.


Maybe he does, and the reason is spite. Trump only cares about Trump, and he's vengeful and petty as hell.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:16 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Does he really want to destroy Brian Kemp? And if so, why? I mean, yes, Trump whines if he doesn’t get the attention, but still.


Maybe he does, and the reason is spite. Trump only cares about Trump, and he's vengeful and petty as hell.


Agreed. Kemp is on Trump’s enemies list for life. Kemp wouldn’t play along with Trump, and Trump is never going to forgive him.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:17 pm

Loeje wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It gets pretty close sometimes.

I haven't seen anything that extreme, at least.


You missed the crying people who still are certain the world is going to end now that their messiah is not president ? The people who refuse to accept he is not president with ever more convoluted theories on how he secretly still is and ever shifting dates "when all will be revealed" ? The people who see him as their only hope ?

How ? They were quite vocal. Some even stormed the Capitol for his Glory.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
He's just lashing out in the ultimate rage quit moment.


He's a cult of personality now he can do whatever he wants and some people will listen to him.


His cult of personality makes up the majority of Republicans.

Salus Maior wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
I dunno. Old people also tend to have pretty varied signatures; so you would lose those votes as well.


I get the sense that the Republicans aren't all that interested votes anymore.


The Republicans only care about their hard right primary voters. Center-right normies that only vote in general elections be damned.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:22 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Loeje wrote:I haven't seen anything that extreme, at least.


You missed the crying people who still are certain the world is going to end now that their messiah is not president ? The people who refuse to accept he is not president with ever more convoluted theories on how he secretly still is and ever shifting dates "when all will be revealed" ? The people who see him as their only hope ?

How ? They were quite vocal. Some even stormed the Capitol for his Glory.


The majority of Republicans believe that the election was “stolen” from Trump. People that haven’t noticed Trump’s cult of personality are either part of the cult, or they’re very politically apathetic AF.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:25 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
He's a cult of personality now he can do whatever he wants and some people will listen to him.


His cult of personality makes up the majority of Republicans.

Salus Maior wrote:
I get the sense that the Republicans aren't all that interested votes anymore.


The Republicans only care about their hard right primary voters. Center-right normies that only vote in general elections be damned.

And if that means getting the most seats in Congress or a state legislature by gerrymandering and winning less votes or elections in general by cheating so be it. They should start campaigning on being anti democracy.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
His cult of personality makes up the majority of Republicans.



The Republicans only care about their hard right primary voters. Center-right normies that only vote in general elections be damned.

And if that means getting the most seats in Congress or a state legislature by gerrymandering and winning less votes or elections in general by cheating so be it. They should start campaigning on being anti democracy.


Should start? They’re started campaigning on being anti-democracy when they voted against the certification even after the January 6 MAGA terrorist attack on the Capitol.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:36 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And if that means getting the most seats in Congress or a state legislature by gerrymandering and winning less votes or elections in general by cheating so be it. They should start campaigning on being anti democracy.


Should start? They’re started campaigning on being anti-democracy when they voted against the certification even after the January 6 MAGA terrorist attack on the Capitol.

Say it in debates and in campaign events and in office.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:39 pm

I find it interesting that Russia, which has provide vaccines to other countries still has a very low vaccination rate. I would like to compare Serbia, which Spunik V(the name of the Russia vaccine) has been a popular choose amongst the population. And Serbia has a higher vaccination rate than Russia. Is vaccine disinformation so strong in Russia that the population is even rejecting their own vaccine? With Russia being ultra-nationalist, I would have thought they would be vaccinating their population on mass before shipping doses to other countries.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:40 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:I find it interesting that Russia, which has provide vaccines to other countries still has a very low vaccination rate. I would like to compare Serbia, which Spunik V(the name of the Russia vaccine) has been a popular choose amongst the population. And Serbia has a higher vaccination rate than Russia. Is vaccine disinformation so strong in Russia that the population is even rejecting their own vaccine? With Russia being ultra-nationalist, I would have thought they would be vaccinating their population on mass before shipping doses to other countries.

This belongs in the Covid thread.

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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:I find it interesting that Russia, which has provide vaccines to other countries still has a very low vaccination rate. I would like to compare Serbia, which Spunik V(the name of the Russia vaccine) has been a popular choose amongst the population. And Serbia has a higher vaccination rate than Russia. Is vaccine disinformation so strong in Russia that the population is even rejecting their own vaccine? With Russia being ultra-nationalist, I would have thought they would be vaccinating their population on mass before shipping doses to other countries.

This belongs in the Covid thread.


I know, my mistake. Sorry.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:43 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:I find it interesting that Russia, which has provide vaccines to other countries still has a very low vaccination rate. I would like to compare Serbia, which Spunik V(the name of the Russia vaccine) has been a popular choose amongst the population. And Serbia has a higher vaccination rate than Russia. Is vaccine disinformation so strong in Russia that the population is even rejecting their own vaccine? With Russia being ultra-nationalist, I would have thought they would be vaccinating their population on mass before shipping doses to other countries.

To be fair, I think pretty much everyone was skeptical of the obviously rushed-out Russian vaccine.

Probably better than nothing, but I wouldn't take it over the Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, or even AstraZeneca vaccines.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:08 pm

Shrillland wrote:Turnout in the Alabama Amazon Union vote was 55%

...which is unfortunate on a variety of levels, the biggest one being 45% don't seem to give a shit that they have to piss in bottles for substandard wages.


I would say more they were bullied and intimidated, rather than "don't give a shit". It's unfortunate too, but more understandable.
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Kowani wrote:Biden's family separation task force has identified 5,600 "yet-to-be-reviewed" files from the first half of 2017 that may hold evidence of additional family separations during the Trump administration

President Joe Biden’s family separation task force has identified 5,600 "yet-to-be-reviewed" files from the first half of 2017 that may hold evidence of additional family separations during the Trump administration, a senior Department of Homeland Security official said Wednesday.

"We found the list we had when we came in was not comprehensive and included large timeframes that had not been reviewed," said the official, who was briefing reporters on the progress of the task force.

The official said the new files may reveal "a few additional families" who have not yet been identified.

The new files are from the Health and Human Services Office of Refugee Resettlement between Jan. 20., 2017, and July 2017, a time period not included in the American Civil Liberties Union's lawsuit against the Trump administration over family separations.

[...]Approximately 2,800 families were separated during the Trump administration’s "zero tolerance" policy in mid-2018, and lawyers have said previously that more than 1,000 others had been separated prior to the policy’s official implementation. The official provided no timeline for reunification of still-separated families, and said that the Biden administration had entered into settlement negotiations with the ACLU in their lawsuit against the federal government over separations, but said that an initial report on the progress of the task force was due on June 2.


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I feel Democrats will be somewhat relieved when Manchin leaves- even if that means losing a seat: because this guarantees that stuff like HR1 won't pass so easily. As much as Biden is a relic of the past, he seems to at least somewhat grasp that the GOP have no intention of compromising: he probably doesn't recognize the GOP he once knew anymore.


If Manchin wants to hitch his wagon to the party of authoritarianism, hatred, fear, ignorance and violent insurrection in the service of political power and white supremacy then he should just go ahead and do that. If there's something or some things he wants in return for remaining a Democrat in name only he should just say what they are. Frankly I tire of this transparent hypocracy.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:58 am

Biden's pick for the ATF director was the agent in charge of the Waco disaster. Nice, that inspires tons of confidence.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Biden's pick for the ATF director was the agent in charge of the Waco disaster. Nice, that inspires tons of confidence.


You gotta be kidding. Why Joe?
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:11 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Biden's pick for the ATF director was the agent in charge of the Waco disaster. Nice, that inspires tons of confidence.


I did hear it was some gun control advocate: I can't imagine that person being easily confirmed- not with some moderate Democrats. That person I see is David Chipman, who headed Gabby Giffords Gun Control Group and was a Special Agent for ATF for 25 years. I take it he botched that Disaster??
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:12 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Biden's pick for the ATF director was the agent in charge of the Waco disaster. Nice, that inspires tons of confidence.


You gotta be kidding. Why Joe?

Needs a man with experience, just in case Corn Pop makes a return.
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

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