Bombadil wrote:Senkaku wrote:You are gravely mistaken if you think their plan to regain power is to win popular majorities in free and fair elections, and we are all going to suffer because of such complacency not just on your part but on the part of a significant chunk of the ruling class
It is, in fact, all doom and gloom. A parallel society has been successfully constructed, reinforced against outside penetration, and whipped into a hateful frenzy, and now, like a tumor, it appears to be trying to kill its host
The more toxic they become the more people will distance themselves, certainly in the middle. The US system is pretty resilient, as my father often said 'never underestimate the ability of the US to regenerate'.
Trump won on a fluke and was a one term president, I don't think his base is growing exactly, it's just they're enough in right leaning states to produce some awful representatives - they're a problem for sure but I doubt they have a long term future. As they lose grip they'll do worse things - this isn't the end of looniness - but those very acts will further alienate people.
I mean.. in a sense, in this hyper partisan world, 6 out of 10 Republicans believe the bullshit, that's still 4 out of 10 who do not when belief tends to fall strictly down party lines. Those 4 out of 10 are a risk to the Republican party, because if it continues down the line of crazy those 4 will leave.
Time will tell I guess.
Some of those 4 in 10 will leave; some will stay. Doesn’t really matter. If you have the resources and you’re willing to use force, you really do not need anywhere close to a majority of the population to seize control of a society. The far right has the resources and is developing the willingness.
Salus Maior wrote:Bombadil wrote:
The more toxic they become the more people will distance themselves, certainly in the middle. The US system is pretty resilient, as my father often said 'never underestimate the ability of the US to regenerate'.
Trump won on a fluke and was a one term president, I don't think his base is growing exactly, it's just they're enough in right leaning states to produce some awful representatives - they're a problem for sure but I doubt they have a long term future. As they lose grip they'll do worse things - this isn't the end of looniness - but those very acts will further alienate people.
I mean.. in a sense, in this hyper partisan world, 6 out of 10 Republicans believe the bullshit, that's still 4 out of 10 who do not when belief tends to fall strictly down party lines. Those 4 out of 10 are a risk to the Republican party, because if it continues down the line of crazy those 4 will leave.
Time will tell I guess.
I'm all for keeping a sense of hope for the future (we do need that, after all), we can't underestimate these people either.
Ooh, are we going to get the lecture about how we’re cynical degenerate layabouts or something again?