France Bans Hijabs for Under 18s

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Read the first three words of his sentence. Then the words I bolded.

You’ll see the source of my confusion.

I have, and my statement still stands.

I suppose he is suprised that I am a half-black white supremacist. Yes, I really dislike my race.
Also my problem with prostitution and nakedness is that it further deteriorates traditional values and helps to corrupt the people’s minds.

[Insaanistan]

Read the first three words of his sentence. Then the words I bolded.

You’ll see the source of my confusion.

I have, and my statement still stands.

How does your statement still stand?
I’m not shocked he’s a white supremacist and I’m not, I’m shocked he’s black but is a white supremacist.

[Cekovia]

ya that isn't secularism that is state religion and essentially government-sanctioned sexual harassment. not OK at all

[Punished UMN]

I'm actually not really sure what you mean by that. Russian Orthodoxy has a fair number of controversies but sexism isn't really one of them.

I mean, in order to avoid those silly debates - where people pull completely out-of-context quotes from another religion's holy texts that may or may not have any real significance on how that religion is actually practiced to show that the religion is, depending on the speaker's perspective, either a tolerant and open faith or a violent and reactionary mob - when assessing a religious faith I tend to examine how that religion used to be and is now actually practiced by its actual adherents. And the Russian Orthodox cultural sphere has turned rather more hostile to women in the last decade or two.

Although since Russian Orthodoxy - unlike, say, Catholicism or Lutheranism - is mostly practiced in a very limited selection of countries, I suppose I shouldn't make hasty judgments about whether the deterioration of women's rights in post-Soviet Russia is because of or despite the religion they believe in.

That being said, though, like many other Christian denominations, Orthodox churches tend not to ordain women as priests, which is a pretty blatant display of gender discrimination.

Women not being ordained as priests isn't a discrimination thing, it's a thing of natural function, we don't call it discrimination that men can't give birth, likewise it's not discrimination to say that women can't consecrate the Eucharist. Being a priest isn't a profession, it is an ecclesiastical function, it's not like priests are some powerful position within the Church. There are also other canonical reasons which may seem antiquated but which are rooted in concerns for the sacrament (e.g. a priest - man or woman - cannot serve the liturgy if they are bleeding, obviously this is less obstructive if you just don't ordain women).

[Paddy O Fernature]

I have, and my statement still stands.

How does your statement still stand?
I’m not shocked he’s a white supremacist and I’m not, I’m shocked he’s black but is a white supremacist.

So he can't be a supporter of white supremacist ideas just because he is black?

You do see the irony in that, no?

I have, and my statement still stands.

I suppose he is suprised that I am a half-black white supremacist. Yes, I really dislike my race.
Also my problem with prostitution and nakedness is that it further deteriorates traditional values and helps to corrupt the people’s minds.

To each their own I guess.

As for the second part, I would say that I disagree with you as I don't really see any real issue with either of them and would go so far as to say that prostitution should be both legalized and regulated as any other profitable business practice. However as I've already said, to each their own.

[Insaanistan]

I mean, in order to avoid those silly debates - where people pull completely out-of-context quotes from another religion's holy texts that may or may not have any real significance on how that religion is actually practiced to show that the religion is, depending on the speaker's perspective, either a tolerant and open faith or a violent and reactionary mob - when assessing a religious faith I tend to examine how that religion used to be and is now actually practiced by its actual adherents. And the Russian Orthodox cultural sphere has turned rather more hostile to women in the last decade or two.

Although since Russian Orthodoxy - unlike, say, Catholicism or Lutheranism - is mostly practiced in a very limited selection of countries, I suppose I shouldn't make hasty judgments about whether the deterioration of women's rights in post-Soviet Russia is because of or despite the religion they believe in.

That being said, though, like many other Christian denominations, Orthodox churches tend not to ordain women as priests, which is a pretty blatant display of gender discrimination.

Women not being ordained as priests isn't a discrimination thing, it's a thing of natural function, we don't call it discrimination that men can't give birth, likewise it's not discrimination to say that women can't consecrate the Eucharist. Being a priest isn't a profession, it is an ecclesiastical function, it's not like priests are some powerful position within the Church. There are also other canonical reasons which may seem antiquated but which are rooted in concerns for the sacrament (e.g. a priest - man or woman - cannot serve the liturgy if they are bleeding, obviously this is less obstructive if you just don't ordain women).

I don’t see a real reason why a woman can’t be a priest.

[Insaanistan]

How does your statement still stand?
I’m not shocked he’s a white supremacist and I’m not, I’m shocked he’s black but is a white supremacist.

So he can't be a supporter of white supremacist ideas just because he is black?

You do see the irony in that, no?

No! No! Not even a little!

[Cekovia]

I have, and my statement still stands.

I suppose he is suprised that I am a half-black white supremacist. Yes, I really dislike my race.
Also my problem with prostitution and nakedness is that it further deteriorates traditional values and helps to corrupt the people’s minds.

i would argue a bigger issue with prostitution is the fact that it's incredibly exploitative and damaging to the people being prostituted but go off i guess

[Punished UMN]

Women not being ordained as priests isn't a discrimination thing, it's a thing of natural function, we don't call it discrimination that men can't give birth, likewise it's not discrimination to say that women can't consecrate the Eucharist. Being a priest isn't a profession, it is an ecclesiastical function, it's not like priests are some powerful position within the Church. There are also other canonical reasons which may seem antiquated but which are rooted in concerns for the sacrament (e.g. a priest - man or woman - cannot serve the liturgy if they are bleeding, obviously this is less obstructive if you just don't ordain women).

I don’t see a real reason why a woman can’t be a priest.

For the same reason that a man cannot give birth.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

So he can't be a supporter of white supremacist ideas just because he is black?

You do see the irony in that, no?

No! No! Not even a little!

Hehe, I do realise that you may think I’m joking. I assure you that I’m not. Further discussion of this subject might result in me receiving a ban from the forum, so if you’d like to talk to be about it, telegram me your discord.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I don’t see a real reason why a woman can’t be a priest.

For the same reason that a man cannot give birth.

Finally! Someone other than me who believes in traditional gender roles!

[Insaanistan]

I don’t see a real reason why a woman can’t be a priest.

For the same reason that a man cannot give birth.

That doesn’t answer the question at all.

[Insaanistan]

No! No! Not even a little!

Hehe, I do realise that you may think I’m joking. I assure you that I’m not. Further discussion of this subject might result in me receiving a ban from the forum, so if you’d like to talk to be about it, telegram me your discord.

I don’t think you’re joking, I’m just disappointed.

[Punished UMN]

For the same reason that a man cannot give birth.

Finally! Someone other than me who believes in traditional gender roles!

I mean, not really lol, but the priesthood and the Church are above politics. The priesthood is fundamentally a symbolic order and because of the symbolism involved, a woman cannot be a priest. The whole argument of discrimination is a silly one too, one does not become a priest based on wanting to be a priest.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

For the same reason that a man cannot give birth.

If I sincerely believe that, oh, black people are spiritually different in a way that makes them unsuitable to teach students and I reflect this belief in school policy, then I had better be ready to demonstrate the truth in that belief in a way that everyone, even people who do not share my belief system, will be able to understand, because if I can't then I'm going to get buried in lawsuits.

Same principle applies to the open sexism in Christian churches.

[Punished UMN]

For the same reason that a man cannot give birth.

That doesn’t answer the question at all.

The priest acts in persona christi, that is, as a symbol of the person of Christ, calling down the holy spirit which proceeds from the Father, to consecrate the Eucharist, all of these actors are male, and the Spirit's procession from the Father, and Christ's begetting from the Father, are male actions. Because of the symbolism involved, the priest has to be male in order to act in this role, because the priesthood is fundamentally symbolic. This is why eunuchs and even men who have had medically necessary surgery which has altered their reproductive system cannot be priests, among other restrictions.

[Tablari]

A condemnation of the French Government by banning Hijabs for Under 18s.

A government's only rule is to serve the people. This includes all of the people. Everyone, no matter what religion, race, gender, sexual orientation.
The French Government, under President Emmanuel Macron has banned Muslim women, under the age of 18, from wearing a Hijab. In its simplest terms, a Hijab is a head covering typically (but not always) worn by Muslim women. By banning the wearing of Hijabs, France is officially going against Article 9 of the human rights. Everyone should fundamentally have the freedom of thought, belief and religion, and by extension, the means to practice that religion however they see fit.

We the People's Republic of Tablari, hereby officially condemn France for removing the rights to practice religion how they see fit, by removing the right to wear a Hijab under the age of 18.
- Premier Adam Salt of Tablari

[Vassenor]

A condemnation of the French Government by banning Hijabs for Under 18s.

A government's only rule is to serve the people. This includes all of the people. Everyone, no matter what religion, race, gender, sexual orientation.
The French Government, under President Emmanuel Macron has banned Muslim women, under the age of 18, from wearing a Hijab. In its simplest terms, a Hijab is a head covering typically (but not always) worn by Muslim women. By banning the wearing of Hijabs, France is officially going against Article 9 of the human rights. Everyone should fundamentally have the freedom of thought, belief and religion, and by extension, the means to practice that religion however they see fit.

We the People's Republic of Tablari, hereby officially condemn France for removing the rights to practice religion how they see fit, by removing the right to wear a Hijab under the age of 18.
- Premier Adam Salt of Tablari

NSG is out-of-character.

[Punished UMN]

For the same reason that a man cannot give birth.

If I sincerely believe that, oh, black people are spiritually different in a way that makes them unsuitable to teach students and I reflect this belief in school policy, then I had better be ready to demonstrate the truth in that belief in a way that everyone, even people who do not share my belief system, will be able to understand, because if I can't then I'm going to get buried in lawsuits.

Same principle applies to the open sexism in Christian churches.

Black men perform the same biological functions as white men, etc. etc. Black women perform the same biological functions as white women. But Black women do not perform the same biological functions as black men, and white women do not perform the same biological functions as white men.

[Insaanistan]

That doesn’t answer the question at all.

The priest acts in persona christi, that is, as a symbol of the person of Christ, calling down the holy spirit which proceeds from the Father, to consecrate the Eucharist, all of these actors are male, and the Spirit's procession from the Father, and Christ's begetting from the Father, are male actions. Because of the symbolism involved, the priest has to be male in order to act in this role, because the priesthood is fundamentally symbolic. This is why eunuchs and even men who have had medically necessary surgery which has altered their reproductive system cannot be priests, among other restrictions.

But Jesus (peace be upon him) would not have been begotten were it not for Mary (May God be pleased with her).

[Insaanistan]

If I sincerely believe that, oh, black people are spiritually different in a way that makes them unsuitable to teach students and I reflect this belief in school policy, then I had better be ready to demonstrate the truth in that belief in a way that everyone, even people who do not share my belief system, will be able to understand, because if I can't then I'm going to get buried in lawsuits.

Same principle applies to the open sexism in Christian churches.

Black men perform the same biological functions as white men, etc. etc. Black women perform the same biological functions as white women. But Black women do not perform the same biological functions as black men, and white women do not perform the same biological functions as white men.

Black women breathe quite the same as I do. Isn’t that enough?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Do you have any problems with these ? Secularists are people who are not distracted by sex, they are more comfortable and do not believe in superstitions. Because the advocates of theocracy are crusaders and jihadists, they can never protect their freedom of religion. The only thought that can protect religious freedoms is secularism.

Yes I do have a problem with Prostitution and nakedness. Its obvious. Prostitution is widespread and is done by under 18 too. And it is just immoral. Same goes for nakedness. Showing them "things" isnt a must in Secularism. Yet these French seem to be advocating for it

*and also you removed the "apparently" part of my message*

There are brothels and pronographic film actors. All of these are in accordance with the conscience of science. The main immorality is the prohibitive mentality that keeps morals in the name of religion, just like the situation in France. We secularists protect religious freedom better than sharia and crusaders, their only concern is to fight, we are those who walk on the path of conscience in the light of knowledge.

[Nakena]

Never ceases to amaze me how desperately some liberals and leftists are attempting to make churches bending to their worldview so they can be happy and accepted by them.

[Punished UMN]

The priest acts in persona christi, that is, as a symbol of the person of Christ, calling down the holy spirit which proceeds from the Father, to consecrate the Eucharist, all of these actors are male, and the Spirit's procession from the Father, and Christ's begetting from the Father, are male actions. Because of the symbolism involved, the priest has to be male in order to act in this role, because the priesthood is fundamentally symbolic. This is why eunuchs and even men who have had medically necessary surgery which has altered their reproductive system cannot be priests, among other restrictions.

But Jesus (peace be upon him) would not have been begotten were it not for Mary (May God be pleased with her).

Correct, and that is why the Most Holy Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary is extremely honored, and that she is more honorable than the cherubim and more glorious beyond all comparison than the seraphim.

[Kilobugya]

Black men perform the same biological functions as white men, etc. etc. Black women perform the same biological functions as white women. But Black women do not perform the same biological functions as black men, and white women do not perform the same biological functions as white men.

What do "biological functions" even mean ? Reproduction ? What of men and women who are infertile, or who chose to not procreate ? And why would that even matter ?