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[Great Pacific Switzerland]

I mean me and my father plan to go on a tour to Pyongyang one day. Plus our background is Yugoslav, we love North Korea. Either way my point is, Nigeria is just a neck high dogshit place to live and NK would just be waist high full of dogshit

The gross humanitarian crisis? The countless human rights violations? Literally supporting slave labor? Genocide by the leadership?

Ah yes, all lovely reasons to love North Korea.

Why not, get some knowledge whilst going on a tour. Maybe I can find a rare Tito and Kim Il-Sung stamp somewhere

[Kilobugya]

I'm Yugoslav. Also, I support Yugoslav communism lmao. My mum is Croat-Serb while my dad is Bosnian-Serb and Montenegrin. I'm more Serb than croat so theres that.

Isn't that contradictory with your ethnic-based views ? Wasn't Tito's Yugoslavia an example (while it lasted...) of a multi-ethnic state where ethnicity didn't matter and everyone was considered a citizen of country regardless of it ?

[Insaanistan]

Yugoslav? North Korea?
How dare you betray Bosnia by calling yourself a Yugoslav? You abandon your Serbian culture by being more loyal to Communism than to Bosnia, and you betray Bosnia by seeing yourself as a Serb instead of a Bosnian

(If you can’t tell, this is your exact logic.)

I'm Yugoslav. Also, I support Yugoslav communism lmao. My mum is Croat-Serb while my dad is Bosnian-Serb and Montenegrin. I'm more Serb than croat so theres that.

Don’t go to Bosnia then.
Jugoslavija no longer exists.
Matter of fact, you’re not Australian either, then.
Leave Australia and go live in North Korea.

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

I consider it to matter. I dont hate anyone for clarification unless you are posing a threat. I just believe that categorising people through ethnicity is better and fits with my nationalist views of immigration than say "x immigrated here so he's automatically a y because he says he loves y and wants to adapt to the y lifestyle"

As I said, by that logic we're all Africans. It doesn't matter how far back it happened, only that it happened.

The early Homo Sapiens did come and evolve from Africa. But as that is an early stage of human development and the concept of new races and genetics appearing hasn't really appeared, safe to say that this would be non-applicable

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

I'm Yugoslav. Also, I support Yugoslav communism lmao. My mum is Croat-Serb while my dad is Bosnian-Serb and Montenegrin. I'm more Serb than croat so theres that.

Don’t go to Bosnia then.
Jugoslavija no longer exists.
Matter of fact, you’re not Australian either, then.
Leave Australia and go live in North Korea.

Your flame-baiting is weak my friend. Try harder next time

[Islamic Holy Sites]

I consider it to matter. I dont hate anyone for clarification unless you are posing a threat. I just believe that categorising people through ethnicity is better and fits with my nationalist views of immigration than say "x immigrated here so he's automatically a y because he says he loves y and wants to adapt to the y lifestyle"

As I said, by that logic we're all Africans. It doesn't matter how far back it happened, only that it happened.

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[Insaanistan]

Don’t go to Bosnia then.
Jugoslavija no longer exists.
Matter of fact, you’re not Australian either, then.
Leave Australia and go live in North Korea.

Your flame-baiting is weak my friend. Try harder next time

I’m not flame-baiting, I’m trying to prove a point by showing how incredibly flawed your logic is.

[Paddy O Fernature]

The gross humanitarian crisis? The countless human rights violations? Literally supporting slave labor? Genocide by the leadership?

Ah yes, all lovely reasons to love North Korea.

Why not, get some knowledge whilst going on a tour. Maybe I can find a rare Tito and Kim Il-Sung stamp somewhere

Ah, I see. You are not to be taken seriously at any intellectual level and are not here for serious debate nor actual discussion.

Glad you could clear that up for us.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

As I said, by that logic we're all Africans. It doesn't matter how far back it happened, only that it happened.

The early Homo Sapiens did come and evolve from Africa. But as that is an early stage of human development and the concept of new races and genetics appearing hasn't really appeared, safe to say that this would be non-applicable

What? Why? We all have at least some African ethnicity in us. Why would this be N/A?

[Kilobugya]

But as that is an early stage of human development and the concept of new races and genetics appearing hasn't really appeared, safe to say that this would be non-applicable

You're aware that there is no way to scientifically define races among modern humans, right ?

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

I'm Yugoslav. Also, I support Yugoslav communism lmao. My mum is Croat-Serb while my dad is Bosnian-Serb and Montenegrin. I'm more Serb than croat so theres that.

Isn't that contradictory with your ethnic-based views ? Wasn't Tito's Yugoslavia an example (while it lasted...) of a multi-ethnic state where ethnicity didn't matter and everyone was considered a citizen of country regardless of it ?

Of course but I support Tito's policy. It's weird to explain my views, maybe it's just my Yugo bias because it's just a great nation but that Yugoslav is Yugoslav was a great concept. But then again, Serbs, Croats, Slovens, Bosnians are all the same shit, so its logical everyone is Yugoslav. Other nations, not so much

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

But as that is an early stage of human development and the concept of new races and genetics appearing hasn't really appeared, safe to say that this would be non-applicable

You're aware that there is no way to scientifically define races among modern humans, right ?

Genetic code exists. Theres a reason why some Japanese people for example are more Jomon (Indo-European) than Yayoi (Korean Ancestry). Genes can tell ya everything. Dont bullshit me with science when I'm studying that field

[Nakena]

But as that is an early stage of human development and the concept of new races and genetics appearing hasn't really appeared, safe to say that this would be non-applicable

You're aware that there is no way to scientifically define races among modern humans, right ?

Theres human phenotypes as example etc. So to say it doesnt exist as all is unscientific nonsense.

You're aware that there is no way to scientifically define races among modern humans, right ?

Genetic code exists. Theres a reason why some Japanese people for example are more Jomon (Indo-European) than Yayoi (Korean Ancestry). Genes can tell ya everything. Dont bullshit me with science when I'm studying that field

This :^)

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Why not, get some knowledge whilst going on a tour. Maybe I can find a rare Tito and Kim Il-Sung stamp somewhere

Ah, I see. You are not to be taken seriously at any intellectual level and are not here for serious debate nor actual discussion.

Glad you could clear that up for us.

Nice flaming matey. I go where I want for a holiday, I'm daring. Hell I'd like to explore Chernobyl or Željava Air Base

[Islamic Holy Sites]

The early Homo Sapiens did come and evolve from Africa. But as that is an early stage of human development and the concept of new races and genetics appearing hasn't really appeared, safe to say that this would be non-applicable

What? Why? We all have at least some African ethnicity in us. Why would this be N/A?

This^^^

[Kubra]

I mean me and my father plan to go on a tour to Pyongyang one day. Plus our background is Yugoslav, we love North Korea. Either way my point is, Nigeria is just a neck high dogshit place to live and NK would just be waist high full of dogshit

The gross humanitarian crisis? The countless human rights violations? Literally supporting slave labor? Genocide by the leadership?

Ah yes, all lovely reasons to love North Korea.

And you're not even getting to the real problem: the routine overcharging. You don't go to one of the poorest countries on earth to pay double, you feel?

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

What? Why? We all have at least some African ethnicity in us. Why would this be N/A?

This^^^

Why are you quoting yourself lmao

[Kilobugya]

You're aware that there is no way to scientifically define races among modern humans, right ?

Genetic code exists. Theres a reason why some Japanese people for example are more Jomon (Indo-European) than Yayoi (Korean Ancestry). Genes can tell ya everything. Dont bullshit me with science when I'm studying that field

Genetic code exists - but for every division you try to make between humans, you'll have a greater variation within each groups that between the groups, and you'll have completely arbitrary decisions on how to draw the lines. If you look at some characteristics (like skin color) you'll get some division, but if you look at something else (like blood group) you'll get another, and again if you look at another gene. There has been way too much interbreeding between humans and too short isolation for human races to make a sense scientifically.

The scientific consensus among geneticists is that there is no way to define "races" or "subspecies" among modern humans, apart perhaps (and even that is a minority opinion) for a few very specific small subgroups that were isolated for long.

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Genetic code exists. Theres a reason why some Japanese people for example are more Jomon (Indo-European) than Yayoi (Korean Ancestry). Genes can tell ya everything. Dont bullshit me with science when I'm studying that field

Genetic code exists - but division you try to make between humans, you'll have a greater variation within each groups that between the groups, and you'll have completely arbitrary decisions on how to draw the lines. If you look at some characteristics (like skin color) you'll get some division, but if you look at something else (like blood group) you'll get another, and again if you look at another gene. There has been way too much interbreeding between humans and too short isolation for human races to make a sense scientifically.

The scientific consensus among geneticists is that there is no way to define "races" or "subspecies" among modern humans, apart perhaps (and even that is a minority opinion) for a few very specific small subgroups that were isolated for long.

If you can have subspecies of other mammals, then for humans it's completely possible. Popsci shit just seems to enforce ideology than real research which I hope you dont read. Hell through medicine if you are experienced enough, you can identify who may be what ethnicity through X-Rays of skulls. Although mixing of genetic code and races kind of makes it difficult especially for the americas

[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Fun chat but I best be going to sleep, 1AM currently

[Paddy O Fernature]

Ah, I see. You are not to be taken seriously at any intellectual level and are not here for serious debate nor actual discussion.

Glad you could clear that up for us.

Nice flaming matey. I go where I want for a holiday, I'm daring. Hell I'd like to explore Chernobyl or Željava Air Base

If you truly think that what I said was offensive, then you are more then welcome to report me to moderation.

May the odds forever be in your favor.

[Kilobugya]

You're aware that there is no way to scientifically define races among modern humans, right ?

Theres human phenotypes as example etc. So to say it doesnt exist as all is unscientific nonsense.

Human races make no scientific sense. You can arbitrarily define subgroups, that will have a higher internal variation than difference with other subgroups, and with absolutely no objective way to draw such division, that'll be totally different if you use different criteria to draw the lines.

As for "phenotype" it doesn't mean race, but expression of the genes in a given environment. And that you can have different skin colors as a phenotype for different genes coding for melanin production doesn't mean you can define a classification of modern human into groups that is scientifically meaningful (ie, larger difference between the groups than within the groups and non-arbitrary way of choosing the criteria).

[Islamic Holy Sites]

This^^^

Why are you quoting yourself lmao

Because you didn't answer, so I'm using it as a /bump, but bump seems too over-used.

[Insaanistan]

You're aware that there is no way to scientifically define races among modern humans, right ?

Theres human phenotypes as example etc. So to say it doesnt exist as all is unscientific nonsense.

Genetic code exists. Theres a reason why some Japanese people for example are more Jomon (Indo-European) than Yayoi (Korean Ancestry). Genes can tell ya everything. Dont bullshit me with science when I'm studying that field

This :^)

Races don’t exist because they’re frankly stupid.

Hausa people are generally “black” rather than “brown” but are usually genetically closest to Berbers who are almost always listed as “white” than they are to their “black” Fulani neighbors.

Hausas, Pashtuns, and and Italians are all “Caucasian”, even though only one of them are “white”.

Meanwhile, Malagasy people are generally considered “black” despite the fact they genetically should be considered Southeast Asian.
My point is genetic differences exist and certain regions and people of certain skin colors may have general genetic trends and similarities but ultimately race is simply a 15th century myth designed to divide people.

[Kilobugya]

If you can have subspecies of other mammals

Not for all of them. Subspecies appear when groups are isolated for long enough (in term of generation) compared to their size, and didn't mix again later. Or when they are artificially selected, like in dogs and cows. That doesn't mean they exist for all mammals, and they don't for humans.

Hell through medicine if you are experienced enough, you can identify who may be what ethnicity through X-Rays of skulls.

Nope, you can't. You'll get a different classification of humans if you try to do that than if you use skin color, or blood group, or having curly hair, or ... and you'll get a much higher standard deviation within your subgroups for all other characteristics than you'll have between the average of your groups, which is the symptom of a broken classification.