France Bans Hijabs for Under 18s

[The Huskar Social Union]

Sorry for any issues I caused btw with the whole cultural genocide thing

Good on you.

Out of context though this statement is hilarious.

[Luminesa]

Sorry for any issues I caused btw with the whole cultural genocide thing

Everyone has room to learn. We can’t promote certain ideas of violence, they do snowball and cause more suffering for everyone.

[Vassenor]

Speaking of lies, when are you going to provide evidence for your various claims?

Still sniping from the sidelines I see.

Pointing out assertions made without evidence is sniping?

[Thermodolia]

Sorry for any issues I caused btw with the whole cultural genocide thing

Good on you.

Out of context though this statement is hilarious.

Well I’m glad you find it funny lol

[Kilobugya]

Sorry for any issues I caused btw with the whole cultural genocide thing

I was somewhat shocked/hurt by some of what you said, but anyone can get carried over and say things they don't fully mean or didn't fully think through. Not everyone will apologize afterwards, though. So for myself "all is forgiven" as we say.

[Ostroeuropa]

The state has an interest in protecting children, and children cannot freely make this decision.

[Mannixa Prime]

Sorry for any issues I caused btw with the whole cultural genocide thing

Everyone has room to learn. We can’t promote certain ideas of violence, they do snowball and cause more suffering for everyone.

Like Abrahamic religions for example??

[Kilobugya]

The state has an interest in protecting children, and children cannot freely make this decision.

That might be true for 8 years old. A 16 years old is perfectly able to have belief and to want to assert them. I definitely had when I was 16 and even before.

[Luminesa]

Everyone has room to learn. We can’t promote certain ideas of violence, they do snowball and cause more suffering for everyone.

Like Abrahamic religions for example??

As St. Paul wrote in Romans, all have fallen short of the glory of God.

[Kilobugya]

Everyone has room to learn. We can’t promote certain ideas of violence, they do snowball and cause more suffering for everyone.

Like Abrahamic religions for example??

Abrahamic religions don't necessarily promote violence. Some have used them in order to promote violence, yes. Others have used them to oppose violence. They are more of a tool than actually the cause of violence. And they do contain a little "thou shall not kill" rule, even if some seem to forget about it.

[Zurkir]

Still sniping from the sidelines I see.

Pointing out assertions made without evidence is sniping?

It’s just convenient that you swoop in on something like that when anyone who wanted to be uber critical could go after any number of posts made here that didn’t include seventy-three links plus pictures.

[Luminesa]

The state has an interest in protecting children, and children cannot freely make this decision.

That might be true for 8 years old. A 16 years old is perfectly able to have belief and to want to assert them. I definitely had when I was 16 and even before.

Not Muslim, but I started to choose to wear veils to church when I was about 16. Teenagers definitely have a right to have their religious views and to wear symbols of their religious views.

[Prosperus Happyland]

Muslims will keep complaining about how France is unrespectful to their religion but I wonder if they would tolerate anyone wearing mini skirt in public places especially in countries where Islam is the main ideology. How are they going to explain the fact that some people literally force and oppress girls under 18 to wear hijab. It ,unfortunately, is not the decision of that individual to wear hijab, instead they are manipulated and forced in some cases. Of course we cannot say that anyone who wears hijab is oppressed that would be disrespectful for those who chosoe to wear hijab on their own but there is a considerable number of people who are forced as well. Let people decide for themselves. It actually is scaring for me as girls under 18 being seen something that should be hidden for it may be arousal. Some may say that what I am saying is Islamaphobic but I have been in the Muslim community and I know a thing or two about the mindset. I would really shout out for their rights ıf I did not know some people who were forced to wear hijab personally.
Does all that justify what Farnce did? Well,it never does. Governments should not intervene with personal rights. However, I wonder where all the muslims who say what they face is undemocratic and discriminating towards minorities go when women's rights or lgbtq+ rights are in question. For all I know democracy works in two ways and you cannot claim freedom for yourself while you are trying to deprive others of their freedoms. Stand up for my rights, so I wholeheartedly will stand up for yours. Other way around just gets off my nerves.
I wish everybody just lived in peace and harmony but that doesn't seem possible in the near future as we all are tend to see events with a biased perception.

[Mannixa Prime]

Like Abrahamic religions for example??

As St. Paul wrote in Romans, all have fallen short of the glory of God.

Well considering God created us, life and all of reality he is short of glory himself

[The Huskar Social Union]

Good on you.

Out of context though this statement is hilarious.

Well I’m glad you find it funny lol

It just made me laugh, no quotes in the post and sitting right at the top of a fresh page with no context.

edit: Ah its on the last page now for me, was originally at the top. Ah well.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Not Muslim, but I started to choose to wear veils to church when I was about 16. Teenagers definitely have a right to have their religious views and to wear symbols of their religious views.

For a 16-year old, I’d grant. It’s been my long-standing position that the age of majority, insofar as the rights of adolescents to make their own choices is concerned, need not be as high as it currently is, and if a 16-year old makes the decision that they would like to start attending Church I am not inclined to disagree.

But we generally don’t allow children to smoke cigarettes, we generally force them (at least in my country) to complete a certain minimum years of education, and it doesn’t seem to me that much of a stretch to prohibit them from harmful superstitious practices.

[Mannixa Prime]

Like Abrahamic religions for example??

Abrahamic religions don't necessarily promote violence. Some have used them in order to promote violence, yes. Others have used them to oppose violence. They are more of a tool than actually the cause of violence. And they do contain a little "thou shall not kill" rule, even if some seem to forget about it.

If you are not lawyering the bible and out right ignoring it then yes violence and anti social behaviour go hand in hand with Abrahamic religion

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

2002, Turkey's general elections. It must be a lesson to those who support this law. Please leave people alone.

[Vassenor]

Pointing out assertions made without evidence is sniping?

It’s just convenient that you swoop in on something like that when anyone who wanted to be uber critical could go after any number of posts made here that didn’t include seventy-three links plus pictures.

I'm not even saying that. I'm saying that vague "people think this" posts do actually need backing up.

[Punished UMN]

Not Muslim, but I started to choose to wear veils to church when I was about 16. Teenagers definitely have a right to have their religious views and to wear symbols of their religious views.

For a 16-year old, I’d grant. It’s been my long-standing position that the age of majority, insofar as the rights of adolescents to make their own choices is concerned, need not be as high as it currently is, and if a 16-year old makes the decision that they would like to start attending Church I am not inclined to disagree.

But we generally don’t allow children to smoke cigarettes, we generally force them (at least in my country) to complete a certain minimum years of education, and it doesn’t seem to me that much of a stretch to prohibit them from harmful superstitious practices.

Harmful being the key word. There's nothing harmful about the practices mentioned.

[Zurkir]

It’s just convenient that you swoop in on something like that when anyone who wanted to be uber critical could go after any number of posts made here that didn’t include seventy-three links plus pictures.

I'm not even saying that. I'm saying that vague "people think this" posts do actually need backing up.

Sympathy mongering among Muslims and Muslim nations isn’t exactly an unknown. The whole “the united western world is out to get and nuke us all” (even though we’re spreading from the Middle East into western countries) hasn’t exactly been unheard of.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

This is one of those laws that would never fly where I live. I guess "freedom of religion" ain't as big a thing in France? IDK, I'm not French.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Baning hats beacuse "Spoopy ebil relgon" is dumb.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

There are women who wear headscarves like Sevgi Kılıç in the world and you will not be able to silence them. Freedom is stronger than the divisive laws you make

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Harmful being the key word. There's nothing harmful about the practices mentioned.

I do consider burqas to be symptomatic of the problematic sexism inherent in Islam.

That being said, I agree that prohibiting children from wearing it is not a good idea. First, it’s rarely effective to just stamp down on symbols of a problematic idea, and second, as many people have already pointed out a burqa ban is probably going to lead to even more gender discrimination as conservative practitioners hold their daughters back from public life.