France Bans Hijabs for Under 18s

[American Pere Housh]

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

The only thing I can think is that France is trying to keep kids from becoming radicalized when they're... kids? I don't know, France is weird.

I agree, France is a weird nation.

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

So how does terrorism justify legislating what clothes kids are allowed to wear? This just sounds like prime fodder for more radicalisation as Muslims feel pushed out of society.

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

The way I interpret it is this: the reason why young people in particular are aimed at is so they do not grow up identifying the wearing of the hijab with their cultural or religious identity. Over time this would remove other distinctions between French Muslims and other French people, and reduce to the hijab to a similar status as the burqa or niqab - a garment worn by fundamentalists and fringe orthodoxists.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

Isn't that what GBI is trying to say? 'Get away from france unless you are more 'French' (whatever he means by that) than Muslim'?

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your delusion that Ireland or some part of it has "English hands" on it, implying there's some kind of English occupation going on over there. Most of Ireland is independent, the part of Ireland that remains part of the United Kingdom does so because that is the will of the majority of the Northern Irish population, and whilst it is true that the majority who support Northern Ireland remaining as part of the UK are in large part descended from settlers from mainland Britain those settlers were overwhelmingly Scottish rather than English, and settled there centuries ago, before most modern Americans' ancestors first arrived in what was to become the United States. Ireland has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and your comparison was an outright silly one.

On whose orders did those scots go there? That's right, English ones. Also, if you want, subtitute 'English' in what I said with 'Scottish'. Makes no difference. And the vote bit, polls show that the majority want a unified Ireland. I'm not talking about some ancient vote in the 19 hundreds.

[Jarvikan]

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

The only thing I can think is that France is trying to keep kids from becoming radicalized when they're... kids? I don't know, France is weird.

I do think that there is a bit of sense in the anti-radicalisation.A child can’t tell between good or bad.When I was 8 I almost became a fascist as I knew nothing apart from someone on the internet saying of how good they are.The aim of extremists it to get `em young.

[Islamic Holy Sites]

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

The way I interpret it is this: the reason why young people in particular are aimed at is so they do not grow up identifying the wearing of the hijab with their cultural or religious identity. Over time this would remove other distinctions between French Muslims and other French people, and reduce to the hijab to a similar status as the burqa or niqab - a garment worn by fundamentalists and fringe orthodoxists.

But when Turkey does it, it's bad.

[Jarvikan]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your delusion that Ireland or some part of it has "English hands" on it, implying there's some kind of English occupation going on over there. Most of Ireland is independent, the part of Ireland that remains part of the United Kingdom does so because that is the will of the majority of the Northern Irish population, and whilst it is true that the majority who support Northern Ireland remaining as part of the UK are in large part descended from settlers from mainland Britain those settlers were overwhelmingly Scottish rather than English, and settled there centuries ago, before most modern Americans' ancestors first arrived in what was to become the United States. Ireland has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and your comparison was an outright silly one.

On whose orders did those scots go there? That's right, English ones. Also, if you want, subtitute 'English' in what I said with 'Scottish'. Makes no difference. And the vote bit, polls show that the majority want a unified Ireland. I'm not talking about some ancient vote in the 19 hundreds.

ah yes!Because Scotland definitely wasn’t a country in the 1600s,and the British monarchs are only English with no Scottish blood in them!

[Insaanistan]

The only thing I can think is that France is trying to keep kids from becoming radicalized when they're... kids? I don't know, France is weird.

I agree, France is a weird nation.

Okay, but how is wearing hijab a sign of radicalization?

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

The only thing I can think is that France is trying to keep kids from becoming radicalized when they're... kids? I don't know, France is weird.

It means they won’t identity so much with the wearing of the hijab (as they grow up). It’s a gradual deislamification.

[Dowaesk]

Maybe if it wasn't for all the terrorist attacks by radical Islamist groups on French soil over the last few decades then there wouldn't be any need for these laws. I understand that most Muslims are a peaceful bunch but those same Muslims need to crack down on those who have become radicalized.

Wearing a hijab isn’t radical. Rojava Free State can tell you about a girl he knew who wore hijab did some very not good stuff in the middle of class.

Hmm. I would love to hear about this.

[Salus Maior]

Wearing a hijab isn’t radical. Rojava Free State can tell you about a girl he knew who wore hijab did some very not good stuff in the middle of class.

...Somehow I don't think you know what he meant by that.

[Insaanistan]

The only thing I can think is that France is trying to keep kids from becoming radicalized when they're... kids? I don't know, France is weird.

It means they won’t identity so much with the wearing of the hijab (as they grow up). It’s a gradual deislamification.

There we go.
Now we’re getting somewhere.
You just hate the fact France’s Muslims are Muslims.

[Jarvikan]

Wearing a hijab isn’t radical. Rojava Free State can tell you about a girl he knew who wore hijab did some very not good stuff in the middle of class.

Both ways of how you said this sounds very odd

[Kilobugya]

I think the reason the French government has done this is to pacify the native French population.The country is afraid of a civil war,so they will do anything to stop that

The country is currently dying under an out-of-control pandemics, with the equivalent death toll of one A340 crashing every day, one 9/11 every 10 days. It's torn apart by decades of cuts to social spending and public services. They are still closing hospital beds and cutting unemployment benefits in the midst of a pandemics. Students are massively doing lines to food banks to not starve. 20%, one in five, of French children are below poverty level.

And the main problem is that teenaged girls can wear a hijab ? All this is just decoy, dogwhistle, to try to turn our attention away from the disaster 20 years of neoliberal economics have wrought to the country, nothing else.

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

The way I interpret it is this: the reason why young people in particular are aimed at is so they do not grow up identifying the wearing of the hijab with their cultural or religious identity. Over time this would remove other distinctions between French Muslims and other French people, and reduce to the hijab to a similar status as the burqa or niqab - a garment worn by fundamentalists and fringe orthodoxists.

But when Turkey does it, it's bad.

Sure mate lol

[Carthatska]

I agree, France is a weird nation.

Okay, but how is wearing hijab a sign of radicalization?

I really don't think it is, but it might be what France thinks they're doing. If they're keeping kids from wearing certain Muslim garments, maybe they think they'll stop the spread of... radical Islam?

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

It means they won’t identity so much with the wearing of the hijab (as they grow up). It’s a gradual deislamification.

There we go.
Now we’re getting somewhere.
You just hate the fact France’s Muslims are Muslims.

I mean, I can be like that if you want to lmao

[Guelder]

I agree with France. But in my opinion they should ban it completely

[Dowaesk]

I wanted to write something on the thread, but I just didnt know how to say the words. The peoole before me have already said what I wanted to say.
This is outrageous.
Thats all I have to say.

[Vassenor]

And I don't see why you aren't allowed to wear the hijab when you are under 18. How many terrorist attacks in France were perpetrated by under 18s?

The way I interpret it is this: the reason why young people in particular are aimed at is so they do not grow up identifying the wearing of the hijab with their cultural or religious identity. Over time this would remove other distinctions between French Muslims and other French people, and reduce to the hijab to a similar status as the burqa or niqab - a garment worn by fundamentalists and fringe orthodoxists.

And by pushing Muslims to the fringe you increase the risk of radicalisation.

[American Pere Housh]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your delusion that Ireland or some part of it has "English hands" on it, implying there's some kind of English occupation going on over there. Most of Ireland is independent, the part of Ireland that remains part of the United Kingdom does so because that is the will of the majority of the Northern Irish population, and whilst it is true that the majority who support Northern Ireland remaining as part of the UK are in large part descended from settlers from mainland Britain those settlers were overwhelmingly Scottish rather than English, and settled there centuries ago, before most modern Americans' ancestors first arrived in what was to become the United States. Ireland has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and your comparison was an outright silly one.

On whose orders did those scots go there? That's right, English ones. Also, if you want, subtitute 'English' in what I said with 'Scottish'. Makes no difference. And the vote bit, polls show that the majority want a unified Ireland. I'm not talking about some ancient vote in the 19 hundreds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_ ... rn_Ireland

[Middle Barael]

I understand France’s position in the Samuel Paty case, and I agree with France on their dispute with Turkey, but this is taking it way too far.

They’re claiming to support Free Speech with the Samuel Paty case, but then they turn around and ban hijabs for minors? And yet crucifixes and rosary beads are still perfectly fine

[Dowaesk]

I agree with France. But in my opinion they should ban it completely

Yes. Thats what i call freedom. Why stop there? Lets bring down them mosques. They are wasted space, why not build night clubs there.

*intense sarcasm intended*

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your delusion that Ireland or some part of it has "English hands" on it, implying there's some kind of English occupation going on over there. Most of Ireland is independent, the part of Ireland that remains part of the United Kingdom does so because that is the will of the majority of the Northern Irish population, and whilst it is true that the majority who support Northern Ireland remaining as part of the UK are in large part descended from settlers from mainland Britain those settlers were overwhelmingly Scottish rather than English, and settled there centuries ago, before most modern Americans' ancestors first arrived in what was to become the United States. Ireland has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and your comparison was an outright silly one.

On whose orders did those scots go there? That's right, English ones. Also, if you want, subtitute 'English' in what I said with 'Scottish'. Makes no difference. And the vote bit, polls show that the majority want a unified Ireland. I'm not talking about some ancient vote in the 19 hundreds.

The plantation of Ulster commenced at the instigation of James VI of Scotland, a member of the Scottish royal house of Stuart, who was born in Scotland to two parents descended from Scottish nobility (although his father was born in Yorkshire). As for Northern Ireland, some recent independent polls have suggested a plurality in favour of leaving the UK, but those aren't official border polls nor is there strong enough evidence as of yet that the Northern Irish population are in favour of becoming part of the republic for an official border poll to be called.

I don't understand why so many people on this site insist on carrying on arguments about things they clearly don't know the slightest thing about.

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

The way I interpret it is this: the reason why young people in particular are aimed at is so they do not grow up identifying the wearing of the hijab with their cultural or religious identity. Over time this would remove other distinctions between French Muslims and other French people, and reduce to the hijab to a similar status as the burqa or niqab - a garment worn by fundamentalists and fringe orthodoxists.

And by pushing Muslims to the fringe you increase the risk of radicalisation.

No, it’ll only make the more fundamental Muslims stand out more because their Gallicised brethren in faith won’t be so easy to spot from amongst the general population. If they’re so desperate to cling onto their faith and this apparently radicalises them, then it’s not the fault of the French state but those unwilling to assimilate.

[Vassenor]

And by pushing Muslims to the fringe you increase the risk of radicalisation.

No, it’ll only make the more fundamental Muslims stand out more because their Gallicised brethren in faith won’t be so easy to spot from amongst the general population. If they’re so desperate to cling onto their faith and this apparently radicalises them, then it’s not the fault of the French state but those unwilling to assimilate.

And how often has that happened in reality?